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Intent to kill =/= going all out from the start. Just look at Isshiki. Also Sasuke leapt all the way from his statue to Hashirama's while Naruto just jumped up a few meters
Base Naruto has never been = to Sasuke in Travel Speed, and Sasuke was never the thpe to hold back against an Opponent he intended to kill. So that can’t be a valid arguement for that interaction.
 
Base Naruto has never been = to Sasuke in Travel Speed,
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and Sasuke was never the thpe to hold back against an Opponent he intended to kill. So that can’t be a valid arguement for that interaction.
Didn't use the Curse Mark immediately against Team Yamato or Itachi or the MS against Bee/Ay
 
Sasuke's stuff is more of a plot induced (I'm looking for a nicer word here) stupidity
Given the whole build up to the fight, Sasuke had no business holding back. Same way Naruto had no reason to not go into SPSM from the get go.
In my honest opinion, the "base to base" exchange shouldn't be used for powerscaling at all
 
what was the reason for sage mode's multiplier getting removed?
AP or speed? For AP, I guess the idea that SM is a better version of CM wasn't convincing enough for the mods. Try looking at the rejected attempts tho.

Edit: I have been inactive for a while tho. So maybe I missed something.
 
order should prob Ichigo>Ishikki>Boruto>Luffy>EMS Madara, can maybe argue Madara over luffy if you scale kurama higher or give him genjutsu gg
 
AP or speed? For AP, I guess the idea that SM is a better version of CM wasn't convincing enough for the mods.
obv ap, speed isnt given out unless explicitly stated
Try looking at the rejected attempts tho.
that's an infinite abyss
Why just why?

boruto's faster than this ichigo, he might be able to pull off a dura neg win using uzuhiko+speed blitzing
Inconsistency in portrayal + not being outrightly stated to be a multiplier for SM + minute differences between CM and SM
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I think it's at least multiplicative in power regardless of whatever number is being used, if people reject it based on it not being provably superior to CM in a way that's sufficient I can get behind that
Because reddit still thinks EMS Madara is a relevant threat to current god tiers. Don't ask why tho.
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though if i had to choose to see a fight among these characters it would def be ichigo vs boruto just cause i think a supernatural sword fight (where both parties can fly) would be visually more interesting than the others.

Ishikki would just end up being ichigo playing a bullet hell game where you have to dodge rods and time portals.

Luffy vs ichigo doesnt sound visually interesting at all
 
This is Base Sasuke, sure, I can concede Naruto is equally as fast as Base Sasuke. 🤷‍♂️
Let’s not forget, Naruto required his clone throwing him to match this Chidori/Sharingan amped Sasuke’s speed. So this is not proof, and even then, Combat/Reaction speed isn’t in question here.
Practically Base Sasuke. I conceded in the first part.
You realize we don’t see the distance covered by either, right? You also realize it’s already been established 3TM Sasuke has faster Travel Speed than Naruto, right? This doesn’t prove anything. Base Naruto has always been able to React & Combat 3TM Sasuke, just not match his Travel speed.
Didn't use the Curse Mark immediately against Team Yamato
That doesn’t therefore mean he was holding back in his Taijutsu or Ninjutsu that he did use. He also attempted to use Kirin, which surpasses Curse Mark anyways. So your point here is?
or Itachi
And thus held back in everything else he showcased? Ntm when Genjutsu wasn’t being used, Curse Mark was his 4th Move.
or the MS against Bee/Ay
And thus he was holding back in 3TM? Your argument here is faulty because it asserts that bc he didn’t go 100% on the first move, everything else he did was therefore held back.

Like brother, a Chidori to the Back was his 3rd Move and Susanoo was his 4th. He meant to Kill Naruto with Extreme Prejudice.

So yes, Base Naruto scales to 3TM Sasuke in all areas he ALWAYS did (Strength, Durability, Reaction Speed, Combat Speed, etc.) and Travel speed wasn’t one of them.
 
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