Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[Ghostimuscrime]

I think Itachi and OM Obito are pretty comparable tho

I mean, it's stated that it does (boosts your chakra to the point of being able to accomplish much more than you could normally), and regardless of upscaling from OM Obito or not, Rinnegan Obito just has insane feats of his own putting him above Itachi like tagging KCM2 Naruto and consistently attacking in sync with Edo Madara

this is in relation to two rinnegan, like its trying to say the full set is massively stronger while one isnt
Im not opposed to the idea of one rinnegan amping stats but I doubt it can be used


oh man I just remembered the crazy scaling chains I cooked up to put down kcm2 naruto to uplift Itachi, agenda brainrot makes you forget common sense
also anyways, itachi scales up from superiority to EMS sasuke

 

[Testarossa002]

a certain someone....

Pure gooning here but since Jura assigns Code with a kill order on boruto, shouldn't that imply that WK Code (who jura just sniped btw) should be able to at least handle Boruto's capabilities. The ones Jura saw anyways. Not necessarily putting him above Uzuhiko, but at least, on par, if not superior to say Hidari (who Jura saw get atomized by boruto)
Iirc, WK Code doesn't exactly fight Boruto. He gets hit with Uzuhiko and that was about it. So there shouldn’t be any circular scaling if the first paragraph were true

 

[KaydeeX]

I hope we get a fit change in the next arc
Sarada most especially

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Pure gooning here but since Jura assigns Code with a kill order on boruto, shouldn't that imply that WK Code (who jura just sniped btw) should be able to at least handle Boruto's capabilities. The ones Jura saw anyways. Not necessarily putting him above Uzuhiko, but at least, on par, if not superior to say Hidari (who Jura saw get atomized by boruto)
Iirc, WK Code doesn't exactly fight Boruto. He gets hit with Uzuhiko and that was about it. So there shouldn’t be any circular scaling if the first paragraph were true

I mean, I have Code ~ Boruto (no Uzuhiko) ~ Hidari and Bug (probably Matsuri and Ryu as well, realistically), so Code being in that ballpark is fine to me personally.

 

[Nierre]

It's interesting to note how much Shinki has changed since Part 1.

During the Urashiki arc, he and Boruto were constantly at odds because Boruto wasn't willing to let Gaara, Temari and Kankuro just risk their lives to protect them and let them go. Shinki would constantly tell Boruto that it was an order from Gaara to take Shukaku to Konoha regardless of what would happen to him, but Boruto didn't want them to sacrifice themselves so he went out of his way to fight alongside them, disobeying his orders. At the end of the arc, Boruto's influence affects Shinki because he tags along and fights Urashiki with Boruto.

You can see that influence here because he yet again disobeyed Gaara's orders and sacrificed his own life to protect the Kazekage, his father.

 

[Nierre]

We also see development within the manga itself:

Shinki mentions how Boruto, despite being a "foolish, reckless, low-level ninja, he stood his ground against a mighty foe (the Otsutsuki) he couldn't hope to defeat and took him down". Kankuro retorts with "While you just looked on passively?" Which causes Shinki to glare at him. Gaara then says that he ordered Shinki NOT to fight them, but Shinki replies that whether he had permission or not he had NO HOPE of winning that fight. He clearly has grown up mentally since then because he disobeyed Gaara's order, and sacrificed himself to protect his dad from opponents they both had no chance against.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

this is in relation to two rinnegan, like its trying to say the full set is massively stronger while one isnt
Im not opposed to the idea of one rinnegan amping stats but I doubt it can be used

Even with this one eye's chakra and ocular powers are so strong I started losing myself. Yet I, who am not its original owner, was able to accomplish this much with just one."

oh man I just remembered the crazy scaling chains I cooked up to put down kcm2 naruto to uplift Itachi, agenda brainrot makes you forget common sense

also anyways, itachi scales up from superiority to EMS sasuke

Rinnegan Obito is above KF EMS Sasuke too

 

[karo_senpaii]

Side Note: Doesn’t Ohnoki scale to the KE of Madara’s 2nd Meteor via Transfer of Energy when it hit the first meteor?

He got squashed so maybe not?

ive seen this take going around twitter

would you guys consider the current chapter the final one for this current arc?

Yeah

dumb question but ima ask either way

If your perception speed is baseline MFTL but combat is MHS and I keep up with your combat, dare I say get the upper hand, can I qualify for MFTL perception? since certain speeds can be somewhat connected at times

Naa. But if you perception blitz the person with mftl perception or if you get a statement from that character stating he could barely see you move then yeah

 

[KingogKings777]

Lode

 

[DavidTPPM]

dumb question but ima ask either way

If your perception speed is baseline MFTL but combat is MHS and I keep up with your combat, dare I say get the upper hand, can I qualify for MFTL perception? since certain speeds can be somewhat connected at times

Just logically thinking about it, why would it?
You're not reacting to anything MFTL and you don't need relative reaction speed to your opponents to fight them.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Even with this one eye's chakra and ocular powers are so strong I started losing myself. Yet I, who am not its original owner, was able to accomplish this much with just one."



Rinnegan Obito is above KF EMS Sasuke too

oh well at least its not quantifiably higher than itachi, sth could be worked out

He got squashed so maybe not?

Yeah

Naa. But if you perception blitz the person with mftl perception or if you get a statement from that character stating he could barely see you move then yeah

gotchu

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

seeing these numbers on her profile is so satisfying, no more 5C or 4C

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

what would you guys call the current arc

I know the wiki calls it the "boruto returns arc"

 

[MinatoSparkle]

oh well at least its not quantifiably higher than itachi, sth could be worked out

Rinnegan Obito~KCM2 Naruto>>MKCM1 Naruto~EMS Sasuke~Edo Itachi, regardless of if Itachi's superior to Sasuke, it's certainly not as big as the difference between KCM1 and KCM2 and they were pretty much relative against Kabuto

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Rinnegan Obito~KCM2 Naruto>>MKCM1 Naruto~EMS Sasuke~Edo Itachi, regardless of if Itachi's superior to Sasuke, it's certainly not as big as the difference between KCM1 and KCM2 and they were pretty much relative against Kabuto

the difference between kcm1 and kcm2 is like 1.5x (in-verse wise)

what would you guys call the current arc

I know the wiki calls it the "boruto returns arc"

Shinju Awakening Arc

 

[MinatoSparkle]

the difference between kcm1 and kcm2 is like 1.5x (in-verse wise)

Do you think KCM2 Naruto is relative to Edo Madara in speed and do you think WA Kakashi is faster than Hiden (1 year after the war) Kakashi?

 

[KingogKings777]

FTL+ with Infinite Tsukuyomi

Isn't this wrong?

 

[karo_senpaii]

Isn't this wrong?

How?

 

[DavidTPPM]

Isn't this wrong?

It's not saying IT is FTL+ but Kaguya with IT chakra absorbed

 

[KingogKings777]

How?

Cause you don't get chakra from IT. You get chakra from God: Nativity of a World of Trees, which is what absorbs the chakra and turns them into white zetsu.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Do you think KCM2 Naruto is relative to Edo Madara in speed and do you think WA Kakashi is faster than Hiden (1 year after the war) Kakashi?

hard to tell, there was a bit of power fluctuation in the war arc mid way

raikage can fw Madara, kcm1 whos faster than him narratively is matched by madara so its a bit inconsistent

and the 1.5x comes from tail absorption (kcm1 takes 6/9 while kcm2 takes all)

 

[Gokukid2005]

Amado is such an interesting character

Dude rlly dropped Kawaki's power and increased his durability and regeneration all so his ass doesn't get himself killed

 

[MinatoSparkle]

hard to tell, there was a bit of power fluctuation in the war arc mid way

I ask because Edo Madara matched EMS Sasuke's Susanoo Arrow casually, which is much faster than the user

raikage can fw Madara, kcm1 whos faster than him narratively is matched by madara so its a bit inconsistent

Madara's just playing. Mei also keeps up with him, and Karin can react to her

and the 1.5x comes from tail absorption (kcm1 takes 6/9 while kcm2 takes all)

KCM2 isn't simply Kurama's power. Naruto and Kurama's chakras are kneaded together. There's a reason KCM Minato is relative to BSM Naruto.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Cause you don't get chakra from IT. You get chakra from God: Nativity of a World of Trees, which is what absorbs the chakra and turns them into white zetsu.

But you get chakra from IT victims and that's simpler to say ig. Iirc it's also what the chakra was referred to as.

Either way I don't think it really matters ngl

 

[SlendVeny]

Madara would not be nearly as wanked as he is if they showed more army fights in the series.

 

[Nierre]

what would you guys call the current arc

I know the wiki calls it the "boruto returns arc"

First Arc: Chapters 1-4: Boruto's Return Arc
Second Arc: Chapters 5-14: Shinju Awakens Arc

I personally think we've started a new arc with this new chapter. Kawaki will play a central role in this arc for sure.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Cause you don't get chakra from IT. You get chakra from God: Nativity of a World of Trees, which is what absorbs the chakra and turns them into white zetsu.

No one said you do. The key is just called IT on the wiki.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

He got squashed so maybe not?

I didn’t say Impact.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

I ask because Edo Madara matched EMS Sasuke's Susanoo Arrow casually, which is much faster than the user

Madara's just playing. Mei also keeps up with him, and Karin can react to her

KCM2 isn't simply Kurama's power. Naruto and Kurama's chakras are kneaded together. There's a reason KCM Minato is relative to BSM Naruto.

1) aint this post Juubi obito that i already excluded (pretty sure zetsu only comes to him after he got stripped of his power)

2) madara admitted to holding back in reference to not using the susano, his stats most certainly scales to AY and tsunade, i dont think mei has feats against madara
anyway, you dont put effort in a fight against people youre toying with

3) hold up now thats more confusing, cuz i thought minato got 98 TT cuz he was using kuramas chakra and narutos feats were purely credited to kurama
either way i dont think it defeats my point since feats, showings and statements wise theres very little difference between the two transformations

 

[MinatoSparkle]

1) aint this post Juubi obito that i already excluded (pretty sure zetsu only comes to him after he got stripped of his power)

It's Madara shooting out rods that he planted in Obito.

2) madara admitted to holding back in reference to not using the susano, his stats most certainly scales to AY and tsunade, i dont think mei has feats against madara
anyway, you dont put effort in a fight against people youre toying with

I mean she quite literally intercepted his Fire Style and tagged him (if you say he was midair, he could've propelled himself away in a myriad of ways such as sprouting Susanoo arms to grab somewhere), and she reacted to his clone later too (along with the fact that she spent hours fighting his Susanoo clones, meaning she'd have to have been keeping up somewhat)

3) hold up now thats more confusing, cuz i thought minato got 98 TT cuz he was using kuramas chakra and narutos feats were purely credited to kurama

I didn't mean on the wiki; this is what I'm referring to https://vsbattles.com/threads/the-kcm-minato-upgrade-yall-knew-was-coming.164921/

either way i dont think it defeats my point since feats, showings and statements wise theres very little difference between the two transformations

Between KCM1 and KCM2 or KCM2 and BSM? Cause I heavily disagree either way. KCM Naruto is like BM Bee level, whereas KCM2 Naruto physically knocked away 5 Bijuudama and mollywhopped the Bijuu. There are also a plethora of ways to argue him around 7th Gate Guy level, while Base Guy was performing comparably to KCM Naruto against Obito. And the difference between KCM2 and BSM is just the same as that between Base Naruto and SM Naruto.

 

[AnimesFreak2]

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[Ghostimuscrime]

It's Madara shooting out rods that he planted in Obito.

I mean she quite literally intercepted his Fire Style and tagged him (if you say he was midair, he could've propelled himself away in a myriad of ways such as sprouting Susanoo arms to grab somewhere), and she reacted to his clone later too (along with the fact that she spent hours fighting his Susanoo clones, meaning she'd have to have been keeping up somewhat)

I didn't mean on the wiki; this is what I'm referring to https://vsbattles.com/threads/the-kcm-minato-upgrade-yall-knew-was-coming.164921/

Between KCM1 and KCM2 or KCM2 and BSM? Cause I heavily disagree either way. KCM Naruto is like BM Bee level, whereas KCM2 Naruto physically knocked away 5 Bijuudama and mollywhopped the Bijuu. There are also a plethora of ways to argue him around 7th Gate Guy level, while Base Guy was performing comparably to KCM Naruto against Obito. And the difference between KCM2 and BSM is just the same as that between Base Naruto and SM Naruto.

1) jutsu speed ggs lol
2) no idea where she came from but she seems like she got distance advantage, as for the clone thing, she BARELY reacted to that also does the wiki accept clones having the same stats as the original (cuz if so i got a devious meta)
3)uhh okay i fail to see how that advances the point of your agenda
4) You and I both know he slapped away individual bijuudamas, otherwise hed have the durability of their combined power, as for single bijuudamas bee most certainly can scale to those, ill give you that KA kcm2 would beat up BA bee but we are talking about their normal bodies here, avatars generally scale massively above the base body, lets not get to the guy stuff, I think the multiplier chain is shaky and ion wanna break it


sage mode kcm2 you could make an arguement tho

 

[MinatoSparkle]

1) jutsu speed ggs lol

Susanoo Arrow is literally jutsu speed gg on mega steroids and Madara matched that with a smile on his face

2) no idea where she came from but she seems like she got distance advantage, as for the clone thing, she BARELY reacted to that also does the wiki accept clones having the same stats as the original (cuz if so i got a devious meta)

If anything she had a disadvantage since the fire was already close to Tsunade before Mei intercepted it

Wdym by barely? She simply blocked it. Do you mean cause she didn't dodge or something?

I believe clones are accepted as comparable

3)uhh okay i fail to see how that advances the point of your agenda

I'm saying that despite Minato just using KCM2, he's comparable to KCM2 Naruto with Sage Mode, supporting the idea that KCM2 is more than just User + Kurama, cause then he'd just be KCM2 level.

4) You and I both know he slapped away individual bijuudamas, otherwise hed have the durability of their combined power, as for single bijuudamas bee most certainly can scale to those, ill give you that KA kcm2 would beat up BA bee but we are talking about their normal bodies here, avatars generally scale massively above the base body, lets not get to the guy stuff, I think the multiplier chain is shaky and ion wanna break it


sage mode kcm2 you could make an arguement tho

Yeah it's individual Bijuudamas, but if KCM Naruto was already struggling against Bijuu's physicals, how would he be able to slap away a Bijuudama with no effort? It's also clearly implicated that KCM2 is meant to be on a higher speed tier than KCM1 given Guy's comment.

I mean the Guy stuff is very relevant? Can't really ignore it when it's one of the key points to KCM2>>KCM1

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Susanoo Arrow is literally jutsu speed gg on mega steroids and Madara matched that with a smile on his face

If anything she had a disadvantage since the fire was already close to Tsunade before Mei intercepted it

Wdym by barely? She simply blocked it. Do you mean cause she didn't dodge or something?

I believe clones are accepted as comparable

I'm saying that despite Minato just using KCM2, he's comparable to KCM2 Naruto with Sage Mode, supporting the idea that KCM2 is more than just User + Kurama, cause then he'd just be KCM2 level.

Yeah it's individual Bijuudamas, but if KCM Naruto was already struggling against Bijuu's physicals, how would he be able to slap away a Bijuudama with no effort? It's also clearly implicated that KCM2 is meant to be on a higher speed tier than KCM1 given Guy's comment.

I mean the Guy stuff is very relevant? Can't really ignore it when it's one of the key points to KCM2>>KCM1

1) brother youre gonna need a bit of mental gymnastics to prove that madaras feet can move as fast as his jutsu
they work similar to jutsu in a non ues verse, you always need written or shown justifications to scale it to a character

2) yeah its pretty easier to put your hand up instead of dodge, ALTHOUGH i wouldnt mind a mei upgrade, id prefer all the casts to be rated high

also comparable is just a shaky way of saying yes, characters get scaled for being comparable in stats, i match your level and youre 50c, im now 50c
in which case i wont say much

3) woah minato cant hang with Juubito like that
at least an empowered one, the unstable ones fluctuate a bit

4) its one of the parts that i find a bit problematic cuz a different outlook ruins the scaling chain but regardless didnt kcm1 and kcm2 both match 1r obito?
you can amp your speeds to achieve a faster feat temporarily it would not translate to your base speed (i hate saying this cuz i loved that raikage blitz feat)

 

[MinatoSparkle]

1) brother youre gonna need a bit of mental gymnastics to prove that madaras feet can move as fast as his jutsu
they work similar to jutsu in a non ues verse, you always need written or shown justifications to scale it to a character

I'm not talking about site standards cause this isn't a CRT. It's just moving objects with chakra like he amps his own movements with chakra. Not to mention it's not even some special technique with huge chakra output, it's an application of the most basic ability Rinnegan users can spam.

2) yeah its pretty easier to put your hand up instead of dodge, ALTHOUGH i wouldnt mind a mei upgrade, id prefer all the casts to be rated high

Oh boy

also comparable is just a shaky way of saying yes, characters get scaled for being comparable in stats, i match your level and youre 50c, im now 50c
in which case i wont say much

What I mean is that I'm fairly sure they're treated as marginally inferior but still relative, so yes. Though I certainly have disagreements with that considering they have much less of the power source responsible for stats

3) woah minato cant hang with Juubito like that
at least an empowered one, the unstable ones fluctuate a bit

He canonically can though? He's powerful support for Naruto and smacks away Juubito's chakra arms and contributes to destroying them/cracking Juubito's TSO barrier.

4) its one of the parts that i find a bit problematic cuz a different outlook ruins the scaling chain but regardless didnt kcm1 and kcm2 both match 1r obito?
you can amp your speeds to achieve a faster feat temporarily it would not translate to your base speed (i hate saying this cuz i loved that raikage blitz feat)

I have a couple problems with that. For one, Obito was mostly using the 3T Sharingan when fighting MKCM Naruto, while he was using the MS when fighting KCM2 Naruto mostly. It's also not exactly consistent that Naruto was relative to Obito, considering he easily outsped Naruto here (he had to stretch out his fan like 3x faster than Naruto charged to intercept him) and dodged his chakra arm at close range which is much faster than Naruto himself.

 

[Kayzz]

I mean, I have Code ~ Boruto (no Uzuhiko) ~ Hidari and Bug (probably Matsuri and Ryu as well, realistically), so Code being in that ballpark is fine to me personally.

Jura > Code ~ Boruto ~ Jigen > The other Shinjus

 

[JohnHendrix212]

What's the logic behind Naruto having an "At least" on his FTL+ rating, whilst Sasuke doesn't, despite this wiki generally accepting them as equals?

 

[karo_senpaii]

What's the logic behind Naruto having an "At least" on his FTL+ rating, whilst Sasuke doesn't, despite this wiki generally accepting them as equals?

It should be fixed. I guess it was overlooked coz it's minor

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

any version of obito that tries to mess with itachi without the juubi gets clapped

MS YM Obito>3 Tomei YM Obito~3 Tomei Madara~Base Hashirama>Tobirama>After Kabuto fight Rage amp EMS Sasuke>Kabuto fight EMS Sasuke<~Edo Itachi

 

[UchihaSlayer96]