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Naruto Revisions: Still continuing
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Dude, there are no speed feats to calculate.
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Guys. my apologies if im interupting, but while re-reading through some stuff I may have found something interesting regarding Sakura that could be of interest.
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Go ahead.
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Ok so lets just think here....KCM is way faster then SM so it would make sense if KCM was At Least Massively Hypersonic+ BM is stronger then KCM so it would also be At Least Massively Hypersonic. It would honestly make no sense for SM and KCM to have the exact same speedKepekley23 said:
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We can't scale above what the calcs say.
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Alright. But before I mention it, one thing we should get clear as that'll be the main point.
Now, as im sure everyone would agree on, the shadow clones Naruto creates, are just as powerful as the original one yes?
Now, as im sure everyone would agree on, the shadow clones Naruto creates, are just as powerful as the original one yes?
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Nope.
One clone is half of Naruto's power, two clones are a third each, three clones are 25% of Naruto each, and so on.
One clone is half of Naruto's power, two clones are a third each, three clones are 25% of Naruto each, and so on.
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Like I said, the calc is low end MHS+, so no.
Like I said, the calc is low end MHS+, so no.
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It appears Hashirama Senju has yet to be upgraded to 6-B
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Narutos clones are around as powerful as him(bit weaker)
as his clones can fight madaras limbo clones which are equal to madara
as his clones can fight madaras limbo clones which are equal to madara
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not necessarily true. that would be case at default, but the user can choose how much chakra he puts into. it could 80% for the og and 20% for the clone. and it works and much larger number as well. tobirama explains it, btw. but it all depends on the users chakra lvls as well. if their chakra lvls too high, like naruto's, its almost indistinguishable.
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@Blacke
There's currently only one calc.
There's currently only one calc.
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Still, even at half power, if it was lets say a Six Paths Naruto Clone, it would still be tier 5 right, just a lower end?
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If it was just 1, it'd be Tier 5, yeah
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Kepekley23 said:
One thing when naruto escaped from the island with killer bee he made 2000 clones and split them along the frontier meaning he weakened himself 2000 times yet he fought 3rd raikage Muu Gengetsu and so on
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Sounds like a massive outlier or Kishi not knowing how powerful Naruto is.
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Kepekley23 said:
Or clones not working the way u claim them to work as there are far more examples of naruto or other character spamming clones against enemies and yet all clones fight roughly equaly
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Clones not working the way it was explained? Each one divides Naruto's power. If he creates 5, they all have 20% of his chakra
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I chalk that up to inconsistent writing from the author
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They divide his chakra but not his strenght they are slightly weaker but chakra isnt the same as strenght
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> Slightly weaker
> One-shotted by glancing blows from Naruto's opponents
> One-shotted by glancing blows from Naruto's opponents
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That's for their durability, they mostly pop with one hit. I agree with Shrek.
That's for their durability, they mostly pop with one hit. I agree with Shrek.
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>One shotted by opponents(rarely there are more instances where they arent one shot)
they have shadow as substance and cant take much damage but they pack as much of a punch as him while something as a wood clone can take damage before dissappearing as wood is a far better substance for clones
they have shadow as substance and cant take much damage but they pack as much of a punch as him while something as a wood clone can take damage before dissappearing as wood is a far better substance for clones
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Naruto always uses clones to attack with striking strength unless we're talking about Rasenshuriken or Rasengan. If their durability is nowhere near the original, their striking strength isn't either.
Also, Zabuza stated his Water Clones weren't anywhere near him in strength IIRC. Shadow Clones are similar constructs.
Also, Zabuza stated his Water Clones weren't anywhere near him in strength IIRC. Shadow Clones are similar constructs.
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Zabuza was half dead and almost without any chakra
yet Shadow clone jutsu is a forbiden jutsu something that makes u half as strong for every clone is a pretty bad power
yet Shadow clone jutsu is a forbiden jutsu something that makes u half as strong for every clone is a pretty bad power
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Their durability is same as narutos its that they cant take much damage meaning getting hurt a little bit will make them dissappear
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That's completely out of context. Shadow Clones are forbidden because they can drain a person extremely quickly.
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Anyway naruto and others use clones regularly without showing any signs of being weaker and there are many examples where characters are just as strong as before and after using clone jutsu description of clone jutsu says it splits the chakra equally but not the power. Thats it
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Kepekley23 said:
1.By that logic he would be 4 time stronger then full power jj madara
=>his 4 clone was able to keep-up with 4 limbo madara
2.and 1000 time stronger then kaguya
=> many of his clone was able to destroy her chakra arms
3.also in the beganing war arc he created 12? clone
=> while real one was fighting nagato
=>one clone beat 3rd raikage
=>one fought madara and was able to destroy his Wood Release attack etc
I know this is wong and we cant scale him like this
so by feats and calc it looks like real = clones
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Anyway, I do hope the thing for Sakura is not the case where Obito implied she had more chakra than SPSM Naruto's clone... Because that honestly seems like nonsense, and one of the various things done to make Sakura look good in the battles against Madara and Kaguya.
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remember 7-A Sakura lol
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Shadowbokunohero said:
Huh wot?
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Hate to push this but, seems this got accepted
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...vised:_The_Final_Calc_of_the_Naruto_Revisions
Someone should update Kaguya's page
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...vised:_The_Final_Calc_of_the_Naruto_Revisions
Someone should update Kaguya's page
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Chakra = \ = strength
inb4 Kage-level Chapter 2 Naruto
inb4 Kage-level Chapter 2 Naruto
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Oh, Kaguya's calc. I can do that later + add the matter manipulation thing.
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also, i think we can add Town Level for hasirama's physical strikes I mean he did trade blows with Madara who in turn could handle the Raikage and tsunade
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Alright. Now that we've clarified that even a six paths clone would be lower-end tier 5, here's where Sakura comes in. And its interesting to say the least.
Now when Obito explains his plan of using Kamui to sync with Kaguya's space-time portals and look for Sasuke across the dimensions, he mentions he needs an "enormous" amount of chakra to attempt it. Clone Naruto offers to use himself as the supplied power, but Obito blatently says a clone's power is not enough. Meaning power beyond Clone Naruto is required and that, energy wise, you need tier 5 energy to even open Kaguya's portals at all.
Hearing this, Sakura offers to give Obito her 100 healings chakra to assist in using Kamui.
Which Obito says is the bare minimum. Remember, sans the obvious situaton with Kaguya, Obito was suffering from crippling fatigue and being on the verge of death, so he wouldnt have made such a statement unless absolutely neccessary.
Once they succfessfully enter Kaguya's root dimension, Obito confirms he would only be able to count on Sakura's power, not Clone Narutos. Naruto's clone was only to be used as a distraction to help them sneak in without Kaguya or BZ noticing. Evident by Kaguyas confusion below.
More evidence of it being a clone instead of the real Naruto, and it being planned to use Sakura only from the start.
More evidence. This time shown in flashbacks.
With Naruto's clone gone, Sakura's the only one left who can supply Obito with the chakra needed to open the space-time portals and scout out Sasuke. And she does just that.
Not once, not twice, but 3 times to open portals. Even when injured, she's hardly tired at all from supplying the energy needed.
When finding Sasuke, even when the dimensional portal closes quickly, Sakura puts the rest of her remaining power in to keep it open long enough for Sasuke to go through via Rinnegan. And she only remains fatigued in the end.
Finsihed posting. Now, if there are no problems, issues or complaints, this should be enough evidence to show that 100 healings Sakura, at least at full power if nothing else, surpasses the power of an individual Six Paths Naruto clone for doing something only she could do and not the former. Multiple times.
Now im not claiming Sakura should be tier 5 or anything, but I only thought this should be of interest to those leading the revisions. Whether this is legit, an outlier, or whatever is completely up to all of you.
Now when Obito explains his plan of using Kamui to sync with Kaguya's space-time portals and look for Sasuke across the dimensions, he mentions he needs an "enormous" amount of chakra to attempt it. Clone Naruto offers to use himself as the supplied power, but Obito blatently says a clone's power is not enough. Meaning power beyond Clone Naruto is required and that, energy wise, you need tier 5 energy to even open Kaguya's portals at all.
Hearing this, Sakura offers to give Obito her 100 healings chakra to assist in using Kamui.
Which Obito says is the bare minimum. Remember, sans the obvious situaton with Kaguya, Obito was suffering from crippling fatigue and being on the verge of death, so he wouldnt have made such a statement unless absolutely neccessary.
Once they succfessfully enter Kaguya's root dimension, Obito confirms he would only be able to count on Sakura's power, not Clone Narutos. Naruto's clone was only to be used as a distraction to help them sneak in without Kaguya or BZ noticing. Evident by Kaguyas confusion below.
More evidence of it being a clone instead of the real Naruto, and it being planned to use Sakura only from the start.
More evidence. This time shown in flashbacks.
With Naruto's clone gone, Sakura's the only one left who can supply Obito with the chakra needed to open the space-time portals and scout out Sasuke. And she does just that.
Not once, not twice, but 3 times to open portals. Even when injured, she's hardly tired at all from supplying the energy needed.
When finding Sasuke, even when the dimensional portal closes quickly, Sakura puts the rest of her remaining power in to keep it open long enough for Sasuke to go through via Rinnegan. And she only remains fatigued in the end.
Finsihed posting. Now, if there are no problems, issues or complaints, this should be enough evidence to show that 100 healings Sakura, at least at full power if nothing else, surpasses the power of an individual Six Paths Naruto clone for doing something only she could do and not the former. Multiple times.
Now im not claiming Sakura should be tier 5 or anything, but I only thought this should be of interest to those leading the revisions. Whether this is legit, an outlier, or whatever is completely up to all of you.
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