Trihexa102
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yes why because it's not enough to kill her , she is immortal through regen. Madara would have died if he didn't absorb the shinju, and also kaguya's regen scales above victor who used a false god tree.
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Naruto: Kaguya Otsutsuki Regeneration Downgrade
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It's not enough to kill because she can endure what's basically just a giant cannonball dropping on her and unlike everyone and everything else she doesn't have to worry about getting deconstructed.
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it is never said anywhere in any medium canon or non canon that she is immortal through regen
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all that still and what i said still implies she ain't immune, cause at the very list her regen scales above madara surviving guy's attack, and victors who's was more impressive yet he used a FALSE GOD TREE.
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So you mean she is immortal in the sense she can live forever if you are claiming she is immune to TSO.
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Madara is unrelated entirely to this topic as he himself openly attributes his regeneration to Hashirama cells.
I'm confused, how is the burden of proof on us when she shows immunity to the very ability that everyone is worried about?
The sole purpose of this thread is to downgrade her low godly regen because she showed none. And if she:
A: doesn't have to worry about getting deconstructed and shows full on immunity against it, hence: immortal to the TSO destruction
B: doesn't need to regen post-deconstruction
C: doesn't show a feat of that regen capability BECAUSE said deconstruction won't work
Then the burden of proof is on you proving:
A bigger TSB can deconstruct her when the smaller ones already couldn't, despite sharing the exact same effects on smaller scale
That she has that kind of regen, when she couldn't even regrow an arm without becoming her Juubi form, then reforming into a fresh body through said Juubi form
Trihexa102
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STOP Implying false narrations , Hashirama regen is irrelevant here and has nothing to do with why Madara survived guys's kick, The regen here attributes to Ten tails jin with the god tree, which is kaguya herself.
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My bad.
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If I told anybody here to prove how she could regenerate what would the answer be
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Best I'd say she'd reform her body like she did from her chakra when reverting back from her monster state It wasn't your standard regeneration method nor was it a fast passive effect so you could argue she has to take her chakra and apply it in that way or to the said wounded area (if damaged). It's not regeneration like Madara or Obito but it's the only visual thing we have for her in particular if we don't scale. That's my interpretation.
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So that’s her only regen method, from regenerating from the matter from the rabbit form
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Visually, yes. She was damaged, then from a part of that rabbit construct she turned into, she formed a new body that was healed.
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Even this is unnecessary for her to be denied it IMO. We already know she can open up portals to escape attacks; there is nothing saying she couldn't do the same to avoid her own ETSB if she wished.
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Because none of them got damaged to that level
Using this against Kaguya is flawed because the two times she got damaged:
- She was running low of chakra which was important as Madara himself needed to absorb the god tree to regen his horns and his body from lava rasenshuriken (before and after)
- She was harmed by a non conventional attack
In addition, madara openly declared himself immortal after getting juubi type powers
Nobody with hashirama cells including hashirama have shown to be able to regen even limbs
Not Danzo
Not Obito
Not the army of Zetsu
Not Hashirama
They are resistant to the Existence Erasure aspect of the TSB
They can still be harmed by it
Kaguya got her hand pinned by Naruto's rods and Madara got bruised by Naruto's rods
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Will be responding later when I have time......
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Even if we were to ignore the fact that absorbing X, gets you at least the physiology of X (Sasuke with orochimaru, Madara with Hashirama) or abilities of X (Momoshiki with Kinshiki), your stance of "it's due to hashirama cells" falls flat when you consider that Kaguya by absorbing Madara got the hashirama cells in him by default
Or she somehow decided not to absorb the hashirama part of Madara?
Or she somehow decided not to absorb the hashirama part of Madara?
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Hashirama's cells cannot grow new limbs, both Obito and Madara needed to take a White Zetsu arm after losing their own.
Being a Jinchuuriki of the Ten-Tails allows them to regenerate limbs as they have shown many times.
With that said, it's pretty self-explanatory that Madara and Obito's regeneration (as Ten-Tails jinchuuriki) is prevenient from the Ten-Tails (Kaguya)
Being a Jinchuuriki of the Ten-Tails allows them to regenerate limbs as they have shown many times.
With that said, it's pretty self-explanatory that Madara and Obito's regeneration (as Ten-Tails jinchuuriki) is prevenient from the Ten-Tails (Kaguya)
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Kaguya got her arm cut off and couldn't regen it.
Madara got sliced in half and after he got the other rinnegan he could regen the bottom half back.
Kaguya never ran low on chakra that's headass
Non conventional??? When did that matter on the damage?
It's not like she got her shoulder erased from the fabric of time. She got it cut.
That's great. Same immortal who got cut in half and couldn't do anything about it.
You know there's a possibility that the juubi just... amplified his current abilities... right?
Or what, can the Juubi now use Chibaku Tensei? Since Madara made like 30 of them when the best feat prior with it was just making one.
I'm actually about to start being really disrepectful because wtf
The reason that Kaguya has Mid-High is because she can seemingly regenerate from pure chakra and she can regenerate from being turned to bs by the Truth Seeking Balls.
Mid-High is the regen from dust.
Kaguya getting pushed to the ends of her dimension would not turn her into dust.
She would only get regen from turning into dust... if she didn't resist turning into dust.
The orb is not going to output a yield strong enough with its slow ass expansion rate to pulverize Kaguya just by touching her.
Which means that she got it from being turned to dust by the TSO.
So please spare me the bs of how "they can be harmed by it", because the damage would never stretch to that level without the fact that the object in question is a truthseeking orb, that she resists.
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There's also this.
Kaguya never implies that she would be hit by the ETSB in the first place.
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Nah cause they think that after team 7 is long dead she's just gonna stand in space and watch the ball expand twiddling her thumbs for the next 72 hours all cause she didn't leave when she was in the fight
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I'd imagine that there's a difference from being stabbed and being hit with a giant ball. Can't really equate the two.
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I absolutely do not agree with this
First off, kaguya manages to reform her body after being reduced to a mass of unstable chakra and we know she reformed her body rather than just reset the transformation because her arm, skin and clothes were all back to normal, black zetsu pointed out that there was absolutely no human form in the chakra massp
And even asides that, the mere fact she was going to survive her etsb dimensional bust literally tells it. She even says it there AFTER forming the ETSB "I am immortal". TSB users can't control their orbs of they are separated over a certain distance which is how juubidara lost most of his orbs, her running before it exploded makes no sense, and she NEVER hinted at leaving
The argument that she was immune to the orb again, make no sense, TSBs can't passively erase a senjutsu person or object via just simple physical contact, we saw this when gamaken fired his toad oil, that's how they even came up with the strategy to use senjutsu, it does NOT mean that a tsb spear won't pierce the living daylights out of them, juubito had to guard from his own tsb explosion despite literally holding a tsb staff and wielding a tsb sword at various times. Let's even assume that she was miraculously immune to the ETSB explosion, it was going to destroy the entire space time...how exactly would she survive that without attributing it to her immortality/regeneration? What is she resistant to space time destruction now too?
Finally, kaguya not regenerating instantly from Naruto and Kakashi - both having access to six paths senjutsu, doesn't take anything away from her...Madara got sliced in half via a much weaker attack from Sasuke than what kaguya took, and didn't regrow it till some time later, even a simple bruise to his limbo from Naruto's tsb staff didn't heal immediately, it is very
The very simple answer is that her immortality -the highlight of her abilities and a fact she blatantly points out after creating her etsb- the reason for this,
First off, kaguya manages to reform her body after being reduced to a mass of unstable chakra and we know she reformed her body rather than just reset the transformation because her arm, skin and clothes were all back to normal, black zetsu pointed out that there was absolutely no human form in the chakra massp
And even asides that, the mere fact she was going to survive her etsb dimensional bust literally tells it. She even says it there AFTER forming the ETSB "I am immortal". TSB users can't control their orbs of they are separated over a certain distance which is how juubidara lost most of his orbs, her running before it exploded makes no sense, and she NEVER hinted at leaving
The argument that she was immune to the orb again, make no sense, TSBs can't passively erase a senjutsu person or object via just simple physical contact, we saw this when gamaken fired his toad oil, that's how they even came up with the strategy to use senjutsu, it does NOT mean that a tsb spear won't pierce the living daylights out of them, juubito had to guard from his own tsb explosion despite literally holding a tsb staff and wielding a tsb sword at various times. Let's even assume that she was miraculously immune to the ETSB explosion, it was going to destroy the entire space time...how exactly would she survive that without attributing it to her immortality/regeneration? What is she resistant to space time destruction now too?
Finally, kaguya not regenerating instantly from Naruto and Kakashi - both having access to six paths senjutsu, doesn't take anything away from her...Madara got sliced in half via a much weaker attack from Sasuke than what kaguya took, and didn't regrow it till some time later, even a simple bruise to his limbo from Naruto's tsb staff didn't heal immediately, it is very
- Kaguya is not immune to etsb explosion nor is her AP high enough to tank something of that magnitude
- She certainly isn't powerful enough to tank a space time destruction attack
The very simple answer is that her immortality -the highlight of her abilities and a fact she blatantly points out after creating her etsb- the reason for this,
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Read the thread, not just the OP. Basically everything you said here was already addressed.
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Explained below
The rinnegan is a chakra boost
Yeah...right
This response has no bearing with what I responded too
Not when Madara declares himself immortal right after absobing the god tree
Besides:
Both aren't remotely similar wtf
All these do not contradict what I pointed out
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It does. Being stabbed by a sharp object does not mean you will get atomized by a ball version of it.
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His stance was that she resists the TSB and would be unaffected by it
My point was to show that she'll still be affected by it
Which I did
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She's affected by a sharp object, but unaffected by the effects of the TSB.
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This is the logic I agree withHashirama's cells cannot grow new limbs, both Obito and Madara needed to take a White Zetsu arm after losing their own.
Being a Jinchuuriki of the Ten-Tails allows them to regenerate limbs as they have shown many times.
With that said, it's pretty self-explanatory that Madara and Obito's regeneration (as Ten-Tails jinchuuriki) is prevenient from the Ten-Tails (Kaguya)
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My point still remains the same.
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explained nowhere
hmmm, another source of the rinnegan amplifying something
Oh wow
So she has enough chakra to change worlds (the super chakra taxing technique) into her root dimension... which refills her chakra
But not enough chakra in the dimension that refills her chakra to heal her wound?
He said "i'm immortal", and got cut in half and couldn't regen
Read above
She didn't get his Mangekyo abilities, she didn't get his enhancements, she wasn't qualified as a sage even though she apparently got direct senjutsu chakra from Madara, she wasn't qualified as a senjutsu user either even though she got the senjutsu chakra from Madara, nothing.
All this shit about how she got stuff from Madara yet she doesn't show a single similar trait except the Rinne-Sharingan.
Yes they are
The juubi amplifying the abilities of the user which can include regen.
That means it can amplify regen.
Yes they do
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You don't understand what I mean by "affected"
She won't be turned into dust, like the previous thread implied
She can be hurt by its' AP and KE, she won't be turned to dust from it
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I've put more thought into this thread and I'll actually concede on the ETSO's effects being incapable of harming Kaguya, not because I actually agree with KT's interpretation, but rather I believe she would still have that relative level of regeneration regardless of if she was immune to the ETSO's effects or not. I don't want this conversation to get bogged down on this specific point since we're not going to change our minds on it. There's too much of a disconnect going on, that it would be an exercise in futility for us to continue down that line of logic.
I'll post my revised arguments here shortly.
I'll post my revised arguments here shortly.
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This thread is ******* gold
Also I do agree with the OP
Also I do agree with the OP
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What level regen would this be?
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Low-Mid for the arm
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Low-Mid.
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I disagree with this.
Kaguya possesses Madara's body and everything inside it. Saying that Kaguya wouldn't have Madara's power because she never used it is simply absurd. How can you use something you don't know about? Kaguya doesn't know Madara's abilities. It's similar to Nagato having Madara's Rinnegan but never using Susanoo. Yes, because Nagato didn't know that his eyes had the power of Susanoo. If you still refuse to accept it, the fact is that Kaguya possesses the power of the Ten-Tails, thanks to the presence of the Ten-Tails within Madara's body. So, if there are Hashirama's cells in Madara's body, then Kaguya also has those Hashirama's cells. Furthermore, Madara mentioned that he became immortal because of the Shinju tree, he never mentioned Hashirama's cells. And the fact that Kurama's power alone can regenerate Naruto when he is injured makes it ridiculous to claim that the power of the Ten-Tails doesn't provide regeneration.
Kaguya possesses Madara's body and everything inside it. Saying that Kaguya wouldn't have Madara's power because she never used it is simply absurd. How can you use something you don't know about? Kaguya doesn't know Madara's abilities. It's similar to Nagato having Madara's Rinnegan but never using Susanoo. Yes, because Nagato didn't know that his eyes had the power of Susanoo. If you still refuse to accept it, the fact is that Kaguya possesses the power of the Ten-Tails, thanks to the presence of the Ten-Tails within Madara's body. So, if there are Hashirama's cells in Madara's body, then Kaguya also has those Hashirama's cells. Furthermore, Madara mentioned that he became immortal because of the Shinju tree, he never mentioned Hashirama's cells. And the fact that Kurama's power alone can regenerate Naruto when he is injured makes it ridiculous to claim that the power of the Ten-Tails doesn't provide regeneration.
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I’m sick of you mfs not reading the thread
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shining cross comin in with the debunk 
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