Naruto Calculation Discussion: Biju Dama Requiem

[Damage3245]

Oh man. I've missed out on a lot in this thread.

 

[PrinceofPein]

So much violence in this thread it is my fav to read now

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

I think we can all agree on some level that this thread was a huge mistake....

 

[Damage3245]

I think we can all agree on some level that this thread was a huge mistake....

I was always fine just to stick with the original calc from the beginning of this thread

 

[The_Alxhemist]

Didn't 4 tails Naruto vaporize the area that got hit with its TBB?

Also the TBB's give off heat. Why would an explosion of that magnitude comprising of compressed heat pulverize instead of outright vaporize?

 

[KLOL506]

I was always fine just to stick with the original calc from the beginning of this thread

I mean, it's not so much about the pixel-scaling anymore as it is about the feats being pulv. or vap.

 

[Damage3245]

I mean, it's not so much about the pixel-scaling anymore as it is about the feats being pulv. or vap.

Good point.

I can see where Tempest and Torch are coming from.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

I have no idea what Im even doing here, Im not a calcer .

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

Can we just start from the beginning again?

 

[BlackeJan]

Well which calc are we even using so we can get this over with unless someone has a problem with the calc again

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Damage voted his calc, Mitch voted KT/DT’s calc, I asked DT to comment on which calc is better, and am waiting.

 

[Damage3245]

We might need to solve the other issue first so that the calcs can be fixed.

 

[BlackeJan]

what other issues?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

We might need to solve the other issue first so that the calcs can be fixed.

Vap vs pulv or issues with the calcs themselves?

 

[KLOL506]

Vap vs pulv or issues with the calcs themselves?

Vap vs pulv mostly.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Maybe vap vs pulv should be its own thread tbh,.

 

[KingTempest]

Maybe vap vs pulv should be its own thread tbh,.

That can be it's own thread

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Well we are split 1-1 for whether to use Damage's or KDT's calc, I'll try and snag more calc members.

 

[KingTempest]

Well we are split 1-1 for whether to use Damage's or KDT's calc, I'll try and snag more calc members.

Apparently my calc has issues so those need to be fixed

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Apparently my calc has issues so those need to be fixed

fix em mrk

 

[KingTempest]

fix em mrk

I DON'T KNOW THE ISSUES

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

A certain special boy told me we should blog the accepted distances decided upon in this thread.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Maybe vap vs pulv should be its own thread tbh,.

ehh seems redundant.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

ehh seems redundant.

So we continue arguing it here?

 

[ShrekAlmighty]

So we continue arguing it here?

Yes, and we do it real fast too.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Yes, and we do it real fast too.

thats what she said.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Yes, and we do it real fast too.

KingTempest's Argument:

Spoiler: "Vaporization" for Bijuudama

So where's the vaporization?

My calculation is the currently accepted calcs using the new dimensions of the frost country.
If it's a "ridiculous calc", that means that the other calculations are as well, since they were the basis of mine.

Please rejoin.

Captain Torch brought up a good point

So far I mostly see people trying to prove that the feat is pulverisation.

Shouldn't it be the other way around? It seems that there is no canon statement about vaporization, and so far the only argument for it is:

• "smoke" (which could be dust)
• chakra being hot(?) (Even though heat =/= vaporization)

As far as I know, the wiki has pretty strict standards for accepting vaporization. There needs to be very clear signs of vapor or a statement.
Are there any other arguments supporting vaporization?

Shadow brought this up

I mean sure? but the issue is that tailed beast bombs also cause shockwaves that blow away rock and dust around them.

M3X brought this to the table too

And then we have a lot of examples showing they can, and even vaporizing a huge steel/iron whatever the thing is, the Hachomon Gates. All the Biju Bomb craters from the war are smoth and have nothing on then. Of course we have examples of stuff not being vaporized. It happens. But we do have more examples of nothing left on the craters than the opposite.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Offer: 50% pulv & 50% vape AKA. WHY CAN'T WE BE FRIENDS?!?!

Counter offer: TBD

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Counter offer: Atomization

I agree FRA

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

How about Existence Erasure?

Therefore the Bijuu Bombs can’t be tiered at all

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

just make it Pulv and possibly vape :^)

 

[KingTempest]

Supports for Vap​

It has clouds that could possibly be smoke
It's an explosion
It looks hot

Counters for Vap​

The only databook statement that talks about its method of destruction calls it dust and ash, pulverization.
We see numerous rocks flying from every explosion shown.
Consistently couldn't vaporize water, just blew it up.
The juubi couldn't vap a building and just sent the building flying in several directions.
Naruto, who knows about his jutsu via his super sage enlightenment, used a tailed beast ball rasenshuriken, which should have the qualities of a tailed beast ball, and said it was going to pulverize rocks.
No statement for vaporization.
No heat statement supporting it like the many jutsu in the series which vaporize.
The juubi sent a bijuudama beam and it shows it's trail, a bunch of rocks.
Kurama against Hashirama can't vaporize wood and rocks point blank.
Doesn't vaporize a tree and the only crater we can witness from the juubi's attack shows no vaporization at all.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

two of those counters have been countered so you need to remove those.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Consistently couldn't vaporize water, just blew it up.

anime had steam (credits Shadow)

The juubi couldn't vap a building and just sent the building flying in several directions.

Could be the shockwave and not the explosion (credits Shadow)

 

[theultimate5105]

Supports for Vap​

It has clouds that could possibly be smoke
It's an explosion
It looks hot

More supporting things for vape were listed in the thread

Counters for Vap​

The only databook statement that talks about its method of destruction calls it dust and ash, pulverization.

Ash is actually closer to Vaping as ash results from burning stuff

We see numerous rocks flying from every explosion shown.

They also create shockwaves

Consistently couldn't vaporize water, just blew it up.

Again they also create shockwaves and see above

The juubi couldn't vap a building and just sent the building flying in several directions.

Shockwaves again

Naruto, who knows about his jutsu via his super sage enlightenment, used a tailed beast ball rasenshuriken, which should have the qualities of a tailed beast ball, and said it was going to pulverize rocks.

He states he would pulvarize in contexts which are not pulv so not an argument

No statement for vaporization.

Don't see how this counts against it

No heat statement supporting it like the many jutsu in the series which vaporize.
The juubi sent a bijuudama beam and it shows it's trail, a bunch of rocks.

Again creates shockwaves

Kurama against Hashirama can't vaporize wood and rocks point blank.

You mean hashiramas wood which is not normal wood

Doesn't vaporize a tree and the only crater we can witness from the juubi's attack shows no vaporization at all.

 

[Damage3245]

So far based off of Tempest's list, I'm more in favor of the pulverization side.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Kurama against Hashirama can't vaporize wood and rocks point blank.

That wood doesn't exactly have regular wood durability, now does it?
Neutral on the rest, leaning towards agreeing tho.

 

[KingTempest]

That wood doesn't exactly have regular wood durability, now does it?

Shhhhhhhh

 

[KingTempest]

anime had steam (credits Shadow)

Bro there's no water in Konoha where tf is this water even from

Could be the shockwave and not the explosion (credits Shadow)

Fair

 

[Torsin]

Bro there's no water in Konoha where tf is this water even from

Pain getting wet from seeing the nine tails