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Naruto Calculation Discussion: Biju Dama Requiem
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The Language being used here does Imply more flowery expressions as the term to turn to dust and ash is a very common Metaphor similar to lightning fast.
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I mean both Dust and Ash are used in the Metaphor they are not seperate.
in the same way people say "from dust you were born and from dust you will go"
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it's likely just being used to emphasize utter destruction.
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I didn't know "almost anything" meant "barely anything".
So any heat based technique that produces ash means that it's vaporization?
Now that's just headcanon. You know that you can turn things to ash without vaporizing them correct?
Even the databook said that Shinra Tensei turned things to ashes, so there's clearly something different..
Even the anime showed dust.
You're arguing against
1. The manga
2. The anime
3. The databook
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See ok this is fair, but how do you feel about this being a support?
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LUL you are a bit late man. It's a shame that I'll ignore everything you said.
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I mean sure? but the issue is that tailed beast bombs also cause shockwaves that blow away rock and dust around them.
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Which is true, but this was an energy beam sort of BB, so it's entire blast area should've produced some smoke or something, but the only thing shown was dust
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when I say shockwaves I mean they create these shockwaves without even touching the ground.
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No i mean i understand that, I'm just saying that even with the fact that there's the large shockwave from the technique which is consistently shown, they still would've hinted at vap
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And what about this?
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It didn’t nani
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That’s a TERRIBLE argument. So just because he said something like that it’s considered as such? I guess ToP Frieza saying he can destroy a planet means he’s 5B right?And what about this?
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yeah but that's whats being argued isn't it, that the smoke is evidence of either Vap or just dust, when taking into account the Anime's lack of Smoke you would have to view it from POV of an anime director in how they are going to adapt this, do they take into account that the different smokes mean different things if they do mean different things at all, considering tgose types of clouds effects can be used for so many things.
I mean for example, Deidara's Suicide attack is straight-up stated to be Vaporization in the databook yet still has the same brown dust clouds that you get with Bijuu dama's in the anime.
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This gotta be the worst argument I've seen in my life.
So we should axe all statements right?
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No not really. ToP Frieza is 3A yet when he says something like that people take into account that he is only 5B
then let’s move to Dyspo who is apparently can move “as fast as light”….does that mean that should be taken literally when there are other showings?
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Ok this is a good point, so that's fair.
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No, because this is not a cap to his power. Plus it's a false equivalence.
He can destroy a planet = he has the power to destroy a planet, it doesn't mean that he caps at that level.
No, because this is a mistranslation and a false equivalence. It actually says Super Highest Speed Mode
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I mean there's a pretty big difference in usage between those words, as in Dust and Ash is a literal common metaphor while Vaporization May or May not be depending on the Situation. BUT if there is enough evidence that the word is also an example of Figurative language then sure.Ok this is a good point, so that's fair.
But what if that vaporization is also figurative languageThat's fair, I forgot it was brown in the anime too
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That's seriously a bad comparison and I'll tell you why. We've got Cell claiming he can destroy a solar system backed up by multiple Databooks, so your comparison implies we shouldn't take Cell's statement seriously? The reason why ToP Frieza is scaled at insert tier, isn't just because of one statement. ToP Frieza massively upscales from Cell, whose statement is accepted here.That’s a TERRIBLE argument. So just because he said something like that it’s considered as such? I guess ToP Frieza saying he can destroy a planet means he’s 5B right?
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So, even if we throw away Cell's statement, his tier wouldn't change. If you are making a comparison then at least one that makes sense.
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though if you wanted my honest Opinion I don't think any of the creator's care, Im pretty sure they see smoke,dust,vaporization, Pulverization as all the same as long as there's nothing left in a Physical way.
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U didn’t even understood what I even meant so of course that went over your head
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Bro what
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I feel u still didn’t get what I meant. Just because Naruto said “imma pulverize ya with this!” Doesn’t mean that author has a care in a world if it’s actually gonna show pulverization. While the example I’m using does in fact has a different direction, it’s still pretty much the same thing for this regard. Just because a character says something along a line doesn’t necessarily mean it’s gonna be accurate
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Bro if Naruto says he will pulverize with a tailed beast bomb based attack, then he is pulverizing it, and anything else shown ties with pulverization
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That’s how someone knows they don’t be knowing anime. Again that’s honestly a terrible take for an argument
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So we can go axe every statement right?
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Saying he wasn't intending to pulverizing Madara's meteors is an even bigger assumption, nothing suggests he was implying something else. Not to mention, they were in a situation, where Naruto couldn't possibly lie or bluff his way out of it, he knows his Jutsus better than anyone else if he says he's going to pulverize what speaks against it?
Instead of comparisons, please enlighten us what Naruto really meant by "pulverizing" while holding dozens of Rasenshurikens.
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To be completely fair, it’s not like it’s uncommon for fiction to throw out the word pulverize as just a synonym for destruction, and it doesn’t mean actual pulverization.
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It also doesn't mean our pulverization.
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Nah bro I understand that and I could agree with it, but he says it, then throws the attack, and then we see rocks around the meteors, and then when Sasuke lands on the ground there is raining rocks above him.
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So far I mostly see people trying to prove that the feat is pulverisation.
Shouldn't it be the other way around? It seems that there is no canon statement about vaporization, and so far the only argument for it is:
As far as I know, the wiki has pretty strict standards for accepting vaporization. There needs to be very clear signs of vapor or a statement.
Are there any other arguments supporting vaporization?
Shouldn't it be the other way around? It seems that there is no canon statement about vaporization, and so far the only argument for it is:
- "smoke" (which could be dust)
- chakra being hot(?) (Even though heat =/= vaporization)
As far as I know, the wiki has pretty strict standards for accepting vaporization. There needs to be very clear signs of vapor or a statement.
Are there any other arguments supporting vaporization?
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Naruto used the term earlier in the series when trying to punch someone. though those Bijuu Dama's also had Truth-seeking Orbs in them that reduce things to dust so ¯\(ツ)/¯
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