- 11,955
- 16,601
Guys, bickering among ourselves is the epitome of counterproductivity. Let's just calm down and get along, so we can come out of this with an accurate solution that hopefully satisfies everyone.
-
This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.
For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here. -
We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.
Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.
Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page. -
Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.
Naruto Calculation Discussion: Biju Dama Requiem
- Thread starter M3X_2.0
- Start date
- Status
- 32,835
- 38,111
I only calc'd the distance between Suna and Konoha, I didn't do anything else.
- 14,956
- 1,831
Yeah I know, but we can do what we currently do with that. And use it for M3X's method.
- 21,491
- 30,820
Some people forgot to reply to this.
Green Line is Konoha to Suna.
Next
Nobody else packed food on their journeys above.
Edit: Kabuto relocated, so a few of those need to be rethought of.
Edit: Added Deidara and Kabuto flying.
Same exact ninjas.
There's 5 feats.
Green Line is Konoha to Suna.
Red Path.
They leave their battles immediately. We see them still running. They arrive.
Timeframe?
The sun rises prior to them leaving, it's dark, but the moon hasn't risen when they arrive.
They leave their battles immediately. We see them still running. They arrive.
Timeframe?
The sun rises prior to them leaving, it's dark, but the moon hasn't risen when they arrive.
Next
Cyan Path.
They leave the hideout running, later they end up walking the remaining distance starting from when the sun rose. They arrive when the sun is still up.
Itachi leaves after his battle. He arrives back to where he came from when it's dark. Moon hasn't risen yet.
They leave the hideout running, later they end up walking the remaining distance starting from when the sun rose. They arrive when the sun is still up.
Itachi leaves after his battle. He arrives back to where he came from when it's dark. Moon hasn't risen yet.
Purple Path.
Taka leaves while the sun is up.
They arrive.
It's dark out but the moon hasn't risen yet.
Taka leaves while the sun is up.
They arrive.
It's dark out but the moon hasn't risen yet.
Blue Path.
4 Kage Leave and Sasuke leaves with them. They were all using Body Flicker.
It's dark outside. Minato arrives 2 chapters later (so in like the span of less than an hour at best), and the other Kage arrive right after. Sasuke gets there right after them (same chapter, a few minutes after them).
4 Kage Leave and Sasuke leaves with them. They were all using Body Flicker.
It's dark outside. Minato arrives 2 chapters later (so in like the span of less than an hour at best), and the other Kage arrive right after. Sasuke gets there right after them (same chapter, a few minutes after them).
For Itachi and Nagato, they don't require food, they didn't pack food, and they're dead too so they don't require sleep.
Nobody else packed food on their journeys above.
Edit: Kabuto relocated, so a few of those need to be rethought of.
Edit: Added Deidara and Kabuto flying.
Last edited:
- 32,835
- 38,111
Holy **** your dedication is immense. This should help immensely. Thanks.Some people forgot to reply to this.
Same exact ninjas.
There's 4 feats.
Green Line is Konoha to Suna.
Red Path.
They leave their battles immediately. We see them still running. They arrive.
Timeframe?
The sun rises prior to them leaving, it's dark, but the moon hasn't risen when they arrive.
Next
Cyan Path.
They leave the hideout running, later they end up walking the remaining distance starting from when the sun rose. They arrive when the sun is still up.
Itachi leaves after his battle. He arrives back to where he came from when it's dark. Moon hasn't risen yet.
Purple Path.
Taka leaves while the sun is up.
They arrive.
It's dark out but the moon hasn't risen yet.
Blue Path.
4 Kage Leave and Sasuke leaves with them. They were all using Body Flicker.
It's dark outside. Minato arrives 2 chapters later (so in like the span of less than an hour at best), and the other Kage arrive right after. Sasuke gets there right after them (same chapter, a few minutes after them).
For Itachi and Nagato, they don't require food, they didn't pack food, and they're dead too so they don't require sleep.
Nobody else packed food on their journeys above.
- 11,955
- 16,601
Aw shit, I totally missed DT's post. Thanks for covering our asses Tempest!
- 21,491
- 30,820
Yeah no problem. I always wanted to sort up the travel feats in the series but I never had the motivation to do it. Ig it was a good opportunity for the ones during the war
- 10,939
- 12,428
Sorry I didn't get back to this today. I had visitors over the entire day and got occupied with side ruling related projects later. I will read all the new replies as soon as I get up tomorrow.
- 10,939
- 12,428
That's quite interesting. I think I will look into those from a mathematical standpoint for a bit.Some people forgot to reply to this.
Same exact ninjas.
There's 5 feats.
Green Line is Konoha to Suna.
Red Path.
They leave their battles immediately. We see them still running. They arrive.
Timeframe?
The sun rises prior to them leaving, it's dark, but the moon hasn't risen when they arrive.
Next
Cyan Path.
They leave the hideout running, later they end up walking the remaining distance starting from when the sun rose. They arrive when the sun is still up.
Itachi leaves after his battle. He arrives back to where he came from when it's dark. Moon hasn't risen yet.
Purple Path.
Taka leaves while the sun is up.
They arrive.
It's dark out but the moon hasn't risen yet.
Blue Path.
4 Kage Leave and Sasuke leaves with them. They were all using Body Flicker.
It's dark outside. Minato arrives 2 chapters later (so in like the span of less than an hour at best), and the other Kage arrive right after. Sasuke gets there right after them (same chapter, a few minutes after them).
For Itachi and Nagato, they don't require food, they didn't pack food, and they're dead too so they don't require sleep.
Nobody else packed food on their journeys above.
Edit: Kabuto relocated, so a few of those need to be rethought of.
Edit: Added Deidara and Kabuto flying.
Two questions: Are you sure for all of those where they start at day and arrive at night (or similar) that it was only one day? I.e. not starting at the morning of one day and arriving on the night of another day?
Also, for things like the cyan and purple route, are you sure they didn't go in a straight line? Ninja can walk over water after all.
- 11,994
- 11,608
- Thread starter
- #91
Hmm, that's actually not possible.. since the war lasted only 2 days, and we always saw when it's night or morning.
- 10,845
- 16,122
Does this help?
- Day One
- Battle at Mountains' Graveyard
- Battle of the Surprise Attack Divisions
- Allied Force's Ambush
- Battle in the Land of Frost
- First Battle on the Land of Lightning's Coast
- Battle in the Land of Hot Water
- Second Battle on the Land of Lightning's Coast
- The Battle for the Daimyō's Protection
- Night One
- Day Two
- Skirmishes in the Land of Lightning
- First Southern Battle in the Land of Lightning
- Battle Against the Dōjutsu Duo
- Second Southern Battle in the Land of Lightning
- First Battle Against the Eye of the Moon Plan
- Battle Against the Impure World Reincarnation Technique
- Night Two
- Battle Against the Ten-Tails
- Second Battle Against the Eye of the Moon Plan
- Battle Against the Infinite Tsukuyomi
- 11,994
- 11,608
- Thread starter
- #93
A lot. Try to write when X characters (pointed by Tempest's comment) started to travel.
- 10,845
- 16,122
I believe the Shinobi Alliance converged to Naruto, Bee, Kakashi, and Guy's location after they were done dealing with the leaving Edo Tensei (Basically sometime afterwards Itachi undid the Edo Tensei - Battle Against the Impure World Reincarnation Technique)
- 21,491
- 30,820
The second night is the end of the war, and everybody left their battles after the first night.
It's showed their pathway through the ground and they showed the routes
- 10,939
- 12,428
I see. In that case we can make some estimates.
First, I have measured each line:
The green Konoha to Suna speed appears to be a notable outlier. The next lowest speed, the red one, is over 3 times faster. In general, those travel speeds are somewhat all over the place.
There are three possible reasons for that.
a) The map is wrong (not to scale).
b) Ninja travel speed is inconsistent.
c) Some of those ninjas are simply faster than others.
Giving the series the benefit of the doubt we could say c) is the case. It certainly makes sense for Itachi or the Kage, all very high-level ninja, to travel much faster than most other ninja. Especially if they are undead and hence lack some of the usual stamina issues.
Deidara was flying, so we can excuse his feat as well.
Taka could also be excused by being high level (although I'm not sure how they compare to whoever the 3 day Konoha-Suna thing applies to)
However, is the ninja alliance of random fodder justified to be much faster than that? I'm not sure.
One could argue the ninja alliance troops only ran 60% of the distance and hence had to deal with less stamina issues. That would however in turn suggest that stamina plays a much bigger role than we considered to this point.
First, I have measured each line:
Now, let's make some educated guesses for the timeframes. They don't need to be overly precise for what we are doing. Let's assume about 14 hours of daytime and 10 hours of night.
So we get the following relative travel speed approximations:
So. Those are the relative speed they were going. Notice something?
The green Konoha to Suna speed appears to be a notable outlier. The next lowest speed, the red one, is over 3 times faster. In general, those travel speeds are somewhat all over the place.
There are three possible reasons for that.
a) The map is wrong (not to scale).
b) Ninja travel speed is inconsistent.
c) Some of those ninjas are simply faster than others.
Giving the series the benefit of the doubt we could say c) is the case. It certainly makes sense for Itachi or the Kage, all very high-level ninja, to travel much faster than most other ninja. Especially if they are undead and hence lack some of the usual stamina issues.
Deidara was flying, so we can excuse his feat as well.
Taka could also be excused by being high level (although I'm not sure how they compare to whoever the 3 day Konoha-Suna thing applies to)
However, is the ninja alliance of random fodder justified to be much faster than that? I'm not sure.
One could argue the ninja alliance troops only ran 60% of the distance and hence had to deal with less stamina issues. That would however in turn suggest that stamina plays a much bigger role than we considered to this point.
- 21,491
- 30,820
These consist of purple and cyan btw, but it doesn't drop that much out of your point
- 3,881
- 1,115
The war is also much more important so they won’t just be running casually like they would for less important missions
- 14,956
- 1,831
Keep in mind that the planet shot is consistent with the map.
- 10,939
- 12,428
Was the three days them running casually? I thought it was for them running in an emergency? If they were casually running then the speed estimate based on that is probably useless.
If you wanna argue by the planet shot someone would need to fix that scaling first. The value of that is currently a little inflated.
- 11,994
- 11,608
- Thread starter
- #101
It's a generic calc for the 3 days statement. A calc can be made for an actual feat, since they arrived at Suna in less than 3 days.
- 32,835
- 38,111
Pretty sure it would still not be anywhere near the actual value because in the planet shot most of the country is covered by clouds making visibility next to impossible.
- 21,491
- 30,820
The three days was an important mission, idk what he's referring to.
Kakashi said "we better hurry".
- 3,881
- 1,115
the emergency speed was actually faster since the time until Kankuro died was 3 days later and they still had a fair bit of time leftover to cure him
- 14,956
- 1,831
Not saying to use it, just saying that it helps us know it's a pretty big distance.
- 32,835
- 38,111
Again, clouds **** up the real distance. I saw the scan once more.
- 31,580
- 28,030
If I recall correctly, Kakashi and company made it to the Sand in two and a half days after they started hurrying?
- 14,956
- 1,831
I meant the shot from the last.
- 32,835
- 38,111
I believe that was the shot that Jvando used where he said that clouds were affecting the full visibility
- 5,460
- 1,861
What exactly are we waiting for?
- 1,581
- 1,175
If I'm not a calc group member am I allowed to BUMP this?
- 32,835
- 38,111
Calc evaluations
- 5,460
- 1,861
Can a staff member ping calc group members so we can finish this thread
- 31,580
- 28,030
I think we're waiting for DT to come back to this.
- 5,460
- 1,861
Can someone ping DT and remind him about this thread?
- 10,939
- 12,428
Ok, so I would say the running speed based calc is out due to inconsistency in the running speed and stamina trouble.
Even if we were to use 2.5 days, that would be 251px in 60h or 4.2 px/h. Still way slower than all other travel feats.
So it would be planet shot or mountains, I think?
Even if we were to use 2.5 days, that would be 251px in 60h or 4.2 px/h. Still way slower than all other travel feats.
So it would be planet shot or mountains, I think?
I there no version of the shot one could properly scale the country from? I mean it would still require a ton of angsizing to figure out the distance anyway, so I would still want to see if the result is realistic, but we could at least have a look at it if a proper shot exists.
- 32,835
- 38,111
Jvando might know about it. He's the one that got the scan.
- Status
Similar threads
