Naruto/Boruto General Discussion Thread #17

[Shadowbokunohero]

because they name the tree not the fruit

 

[Rocker1189]

No its more assumptious to assume all Chakra fruit trees are same and all fruits are same, if both Kaguyas and Momos fruit had a name that is not "fruit" which is a category i would agree with you.

They do have a name, they are "Chakra Fruit". That is specific enough. You dont really think they author is going to give each fruit a type do you? They are only one tye of fruit.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

that's liking saying if I pick an apple from an apple tree and call the thing in my hand a fruit while the other person also picks and apple from an apple tree and calls it a fruit.

now, these are two completely different fruit?

 

[ΚΟΜΙΞ]

Assumptions. If that was the case Momo wouldn't want Kaguya's chakra fruit so badly. Until is stated otherwise we can not assume that the trees have/give the same chakra capacity.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Yeah, I actually don't think all fruits have the same power. Gotta agree with Shrek on this one.

 

[ShrekAlmighty]

Chakra indicating its chakra based and fruit which is a category.

Kishi no he wont but him naming it a fruit rather than a noticable name indicates there is multiple types.

Im sorry but im pretty there are multiple fruit types.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

it was revealed that Earth's Nourishments are larger than other planets LMFAO the problem rises that Kaguya never ate a fruit that uses up the planets nourishments hence it was incomplete

 

[ShrekAlmighty]

that's liking saying if I pick an apple from an apple tree and call the thing in my hand a fruit while the other person also picks and apple from an apple tree and calls it a fruit.
now, these are two completely different fruit?

That would be true if we knew for a fact there was one type however as thats not the case it looks more like this.

If i picked a fruit from a tree and you picked a fruit from a tree just because they are fruits they should be absolutely same.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

That would be true if we knew for a fact there was one type however as 'that's', 'not' the case it looks more like this.

you assume they are the same until stated otherwise

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

If i picked a fruit from a tree and you picked a fruit from a tree just because they are fruits they should be absolutely same.

the problem arises when in verse and supplmantary material all the call tree's by the same name and are stated to be the same type of Tree

 

[Rocker1189]

That would be true if we knew for a fact there was one type however as thats not the case it looks more like this.

If i picked a fruit from a tree and you picked a fruit from a tree just because they are fruits they should be absolutely same.

Unless if the fruit are stated to do exactly the same thing but one tree has simply been planeted in a better place and the person who ate said fruit did not wait for it to be ripe.

 

[ShrekAlmighty]

Once again that is purely opinion based as both assumptions are equaly valid.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Thinking about it, doesn't Kaguya have biological manipulation over time with the Shinju? It can turn people into White Zetsu.

Or should it be for the Shinju itself?

 

[Rocker1189]

Once again that is purely opinion based as both assumptions are equaly valid.

But it is not we know that chakra fruit give you huge boosts in power and we know that the trees are the same type planeted by the same type of people. It does not make sense for them to be planting different types of trees.

 

[ShrekAlmighty]

the problem arises when in verse and supplmantary material all the call tree's by the same name and are stated to be the same type of Tree

As Rocker said do you really think Kishi would give constructive names to fruits and trees?

No he wouldnt thats why he just left them as trees and fruits which are entire categories.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Once again that is purely opinion based as both assumptions are equally valid. how is it Opinion based when it's supported by the Databooks, in verse dialogue

in shape, in design and in purpose

 

[Rocker1189]

As Rocker said do you really think Kishi would give constructive names to fruits and trees?

No he wouldnt thats why he just left them as trees and fruits which are entire categories.

My point was there is only one type of fruit, there is no reason for there to be more than one type and all of them do the same thing.

 

[ShrekAlmighty]

Was talking about "you assume they are the same until stated otherwise" this when i commented that.

No they are not supported considering you assume all the trees/fruits to be absolutely same.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

also the clan regular scouts out planets to harvest their chakra fruits so obviously they would have wanted Kaguya's

the only thing i see here is pepole that are still trying to hold on to the fact that Kaguya is the strongest of strongest when it's clearly not true anymore

 

[Rocker1189]

Like imagine if we did not know that Urashiki, Kinshiki and Momoshiki were Otsutsuki. They all look similar they all have this strange red power and they all have similar horns and they all have byakugan. Are we going to conclude that they are all different species? The best assumption based on the facts we know would be that they are the same species.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Was talking about "you assume they are the same until stated otherwise" this when i commented that.
No they are not supported considering you assume all the trees/fruits to be absolutely same.

because the tree's are exacly name the same thing

it's like saying there's no evidence suggesting all Apple tree's produce apples, some can produce oranges

 

[ShrekAlmighty]

Yea they scout out planets to harvest the fruits but that proves nothing as obviously anyone would harvest what can be called WMDs of Nardoverse.

 

[Rocker1189]

Was talking about "you assume they are the same until stated otherwise" this when i commented that.
No they are not supported considering you assume all the trees/fruits to be absolutely same.

Again Occam's Razor it makes the most sense to assume they are all the same from both a narrative and power scaling stand point.

 

[ShrekAlmighty]

Like imagine if we did not know that Urashiki, Kinshiki and Momoshiki were Otsutsuki. They all look similar they all have this strange red power and they all have similar horns and they all have byakugan. Are we going to conclude that they are all different species? The best assumption based on the facts we know would be that they are the same species.

No we wont assume them to be a different species but we will assume them to be different individuals with different powers and varying strenght similar to how we can assume the chakra fruits to be.

 

[ShrekAlmighty]

because the tree's are exacly name the same thing

it's like saying there's no evidence suggesting all Apple tree's produce apples, some can produce oranges

Yes i would agree with you if it was called idk Red Chakra Tree or litereally have any constructive name as it doesnt have anything besides "Tree" which is a category it is baseless to assume it to be absolutely same.

 

[Rocker1189]

No we wont assume them to be a different species but we will assume them to be different individuals with different powers and varying strenght similar to how we can assume the chakra fruits to be.

Yes but at the end that would still make the fruit the exact same species or type. And with what we know about the power they have displayed they would have the same powers and strength. Because neither fruit have caused either person to show greater power.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Because both are called God Tree doesn't mean they have the same parameters. How does that even work?

 

[ShrekAlmighty]

Again Occam's Razor it makes the most sense to assume they are all the same from both a narrative and power scaling stand point.

You are the one that has to prove them to be absolutely same, all your arguments are based on is they are trees which is a category, they are fruits which is once again a category and they do the same thing which is stupid as all the fruit do the same thing feed us and give us energy/vitamins etc.

 

[Rocker1189]

Because both are called God Tree doesn't mean they have the same parameters. How does that even work?

It doesnt but since neither are implied to be more powerful than the other via Occam's razor the best assumption is that they are similar to each other assuming otherwise would be fallacious.

 

[ShrekAlmighty]

Yes but at the end that would still make the fruit the exact same species or type. And with what we know about the power they have displayed they would have the same powers and strength. Because neither fruit have caused either person to show greater power.

You see its different to blob Momo,Urashiki and Kinshiki in one category opposed to trees of varying size and somewhat similar desing as Momo and crew are clearly very very similar.

 

[Rocker1189]

You are the one that has to prove them to be absolutely same, all your arguments are based on is they are trees which is a category, they are fruits which is once again a category and they do the same thing which is stupid as all the fruit do the same thing feed us and give us energy/vitamins etc.

There is no proving because there is no proof on either side. Occam's razor means making the least assumptions. The least assumptions is to say that they have the same parameters. They are obviously not the same as normal fruit and never would be.

 

[ShrekAlmighty]

It doesnt but since neither are implied to be more powerful than the other via Occam's razor the best assumption is that they are similar to each other assuming otherwise would be fallacious.

Neither are implied to be the same so occams razor aint on anyones side as this part is purely opinion based.

 

[Rocker1189]

You see its different to blob Momo,Urashiki and Kinshiki in one category opposed to trees of varying size and somewhat similar desing as Momo and crew are clearly very very similar.

No 2 trees not matter they type would ever look exactly the same. So this point is pretty moot. The design is all you have to go off of.

 

[Rocker1189]

Neither are implied to be the same so occams razor aint on anyones side as this part is purely opinion based.

Apart from the fact that they look the same, have the same name and both come from God Tree.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

I'm going to have to go with the God Tree that looks much bigger and thicker, and the one that gave Granny Kaguya better feats than Momo-chan, who longed to eat the fruit in the Naruto planet.

 

[ShrekAlmighty]

No 2 trees not matter they type would ever look exactly the same. So this point is pretty moot.

Are you sure about that

First tree

Second tree

Not to mention the size difference between Momo and Kaguyas tree.

 

[Rocker1189]

No 2 trees not matter they type would ever look exactly the same. So this point is pretty moot.
Are you sure about that

First tree

Second tree

Not to mention the size difference between Momo and Kaguyas tree.

I mean both tree do have some differences but another issue is they look like fake trees.

 

[Rocker1189]

I'm going to have to go with the God Tree that looks much bigger and thicker, and the one that gave Granny Kaguya better feats than Momo-chan, who longed to eat the fruit in the Naruto planet.

He longed to eat the one of Naruto's planet because more fruit = more power. I agree with the fact that Kaguya's is bigger. But I dont kknow if their size really means much.

 

[ShrekAlmighty]

They are decorative trees that are cut on chirstmas and then used for decorations they can be both fake and real.

Anyways imagine if they were shriveled similar to Chakra trees and you couldnt tell a difference besides one being several dozen times bigger than the other.

 

[Rocker1189]

They are decorative trees that are cut on chirstmas and then used for decorations they can be both fake and real.
Anyways imagine if they were shriveled similar to Chakra trees and you couldnt tell a difference besides one being several dozen times bigger than the other.

If they shrivel up they would definitely shrivel up differently. That is not even a question it is just fact.