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Naruto/Boruto general discussion #4

Thanks @Shrek

Ok, so, for starters, I just want to note that BoShippuden Sasuke =/= Kage Summit Sasuke. Reason being is it's implied Sasuke trained before Crashing the Summit.

I went back and did some readings and:

  • Sasuke had access to his MS after a unquantifiable timeskip after Itachi's death (When he was standing on the Beach).
  • Not too long after that, maybe same day or next day, Obito and Sasuke had that meeting where Obito was gonna send Sasuke after eight tails. (There is an obvious unquantifiable time skip, but it had to be within a couple days to a week after Itachi's death still because Juugo mentioned Sasuke still hasn't fully recovered from his fight with Itachi. And that's fair considering irl, it takes boxers and ufc fighters a couple days to a week to recover after a big fight on average)
  • Sasuke's fight with KB took a huge tole on his body. It was a one day fight as Sasuke fought KB the same day Naruto went to start his SM Training. The next day, Sasuke and co delivered KB's clone to Obito and Sasuke said he was going to go heal before going to Konoha. (We know it was the next day because Naruto read Jiraiya's book the night he mastered Oil based SM which was his first day and on his second day, he mastered SM proper which was the day Sasuke delivered KB's clone to obito).
  • We know Naruto spends roughly 24hrs training with Fukusaku in Frog Kumite and trying to fuse (I say roughly because on his 2nd day after he mastered SM they begin training in Frog Kumite and that night, Naruto trains his FRS, and they continue training Frog Kumite then trying to fuse up until an unverafiable time on the third day because they get summed back to the Village). So Naruto was there for 3 days, but unquantifiably longer than 48 hrs.
  • That same day Naruto defeats Pain, Sasuke is shown heading to Konoha but Obito stops him and tells him about the Gokage summit. Sasuke is implied to be healed. Despite the fact he'd only have hours of rest and time to heal after the KB fight, that can be justified in Karin being a medic and such.
  • The next day they arrive at the summit and well, that's all the time he had. At best a couple of hours.
Sasuke after Obito stopped taka from heading to Konoha said this:

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This is why I said It's "Implied". During the KB fight, Sasuke was surprised he had the ability to extinguish Amaturatsu. Fastword 2 days when they arrive to the Kage Summit, Sasuke is then having the ability to use:
  • Amaturatsu (Better than Itachi)
  • Kagetsuchi (Control over the flames better than Itachi)
  • Proficency with Susanoo Ribs
All of this implies Sasuke trained to achieve these and that his eyes, despite having MS were stronger than before during the KB fight.

So, it can be argued that Sasuke up to the KB fight is still equivalent to the Itachi fight. But Post the KB fight, he's superior.

Thus, 3 Tomoe Sasuke and Base Naruto post KB fight and SM Training would have a "Zenkai boost" of sorts.
 
So, we have to scale:

  • Weakned Itachi, Zetsu and BoShippuden Sasuke have MHS+ Reaction Speed (Reacted to Kirin).
  • Deidara scales from Sasuke due to their fight.
  • All Akatsuki should Scale from Deidara.
  • Chiyo Should have MHS+ Reaction and Movement Speed for matching Sasori (Sakura doesn't scale, she can't even react to a Casual Sasuke and Chiyo had to save her)
NOTE: Taka doesn't scale, Juugo could barely react to v1 Raiton Armor Ay and 3 Tomoe Sasuke could easily keep up with v1 Raiton Armor Ay. Thus there is no basis to be scaled to MHS+ through fight v1 cloak Ay and nothing in the series implies otherwise.

  • Kakashi scales for being able to Fight and keep up with Hidan and Kakuzu and Sasuke himself.
  • Base Naruto (Post SM Training) Scales due to being able to fight Pain.
  • Jiraiya scales for being stated to be equal to Itachi.
  • All Kages should scale
NOTE: I'm listing everyone that scales to BoShippuden Sasuke and Weakend Itachi. NOT v2 Cloak Ay.

Not finished yet, but I got to go for now.
 
wait wait it really doesnt matter if this was regular sasuke or MS sasuke tbh. 3 tome sharingan sasuke was still the one who did the kirin feat and was the one who fought Itachi not MS sasuke who only has higher AP. 3 tome sharingan sasuke should still scale since its his feat not MS. Futhermore all of the akatsuki shouldnt scale. Hidan, Kakuzu and Sasori shouldnt scale bro lol becausee that would scale to FRS post training Naruto, Sakura for fighting Sasori, Shikamaru, and Asuma which doesnt make any sense if you ask me. Sakura also scales for saving chiyo at the last minute when sasori's wings were about to cut her in half. Naruto scales from fighting Kakuzu, Shikamaru scales from fighting Hidan just like his profiles says and so does Asuma.
 
AstralKing7 said:
wait wait it really doesnt matter if this was regular sasuke or MS sasuke tbh. 3 tome sharingan sasuke was still the one who did the kirin feat and was the one who fought Itachi not MS sasuke who only has higher AP. 3 tome sharingan sasuke should still scale since its his feat not MS. Futhermore all of the akatsuki shouldnt scale. Hidan, Kakuzu and Sasori shouldnt scale bro lol becausee that would scale to FRS post training Naruto, Sakura for fighting Sasori, Shikamaru, and Asuma which doesnt make any sense if you ask me. Sakura also scales for saving chiyo at the last minute when sasori's wings were about to cut her in half. Naruto scales from fighting Kakuzu, Shikamaru scales from fighting Hidan just like his profiles says and so does Asuma.
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@First Bold:

  • Yes, 3 tomoe scales be it Itachi fight or Kage Summit, but make no mistake, post KB fight Sasuke is faster. Having MS means your eyes are becoming stronger and better. Overuse of the MS kills your sight which kills your perception is all. So, yes, 3 Tomoe Sasuke (Kage Summit) > 3 Tomoe Sasuke (Itachi Fight).
@Second Bold:

  • Hidan: Can fight evenly with Kakashi who can fight and force Kage Summit Sasuke to use Susanoo.
  • Sasori: Is roughly even to Chiyo who can evade capture by a SA squad aided by KCM Naruto Clone despite the fact he was meters away from them with a FRS. (And Sakura would have been shit stomped by Sasori had it not been for Chiyo. I also don't remember Sakura doing anything notable against Sasori. I have the vol. i'll go over the fight again)
  • Kakuzu: Gave Kakashi touble
  • Shikamaru and Asuma were getting stomped, casually by Hidan and Kakuzu
  • Naruto Pre SM Training doesn't scale. Kakuzu was blitzing even Kn0 Naruto.
 
Shiakamaru dosnt scale to hidan than why does his profile scale him to Hidan already?? Also Sakura destroyed a lot of Sasori's puppets which he was controlling and one of the puppets managed to cut lady chyo and poision her while sakura was able to save chyo from sasori's wing blades to by pulling the his tail before he made contact with chyos faces and he was pretty close too
 
AstralKing7 said:
Shiakamaru dosnt scale to hidan than why does his profile scale him to Hidan already?? Also Sakura destroyed a lot of Sasori's puppets which he was controlling and one of the puppets managed to cut lady chyo and poision her while sakura was able to save chyo from sasori's wing blades to by pulling the his tail before he made contact with chyos faces and he was pretty close too
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I don't edit the profiles, lol. But no, I'm reading the fight, and there are two things to remember:

  • Shikamaru already had combat knowledge on Hidan and planned out the entire fight.
  • Hidan was far enough away and was telagraphing his attack
So, Shikamaru had more than enough time and info to win. He wouldn't necessarily scale all things considered. BTW, Kirin only scales to reaction speed. Only Ay has it all around.

And like I said, i'm going to reread it. Not gonna be instant, lol
 
shouldnt kill bee and kakashi and danzo have it all around since they managed to give sasuke a fight and KB and danzo almost killed sasuke
 
@Astral

I reread the Sakura and Chiyo vs Sasori fight. You're really overexaggerating Sakura. Fron the beginning of the fight all the way until the end, Chiyo was controlling Sakura for literally 95% of the fight. Sakura could not keep up at all and would have been one shotted.

There are only 3-4 instances in which Sakura did something unaided by Chiyo:

  • First, Sakura faked that she was poisoned by the Kazekage Puppet to lure Sasori into bringing it in close to her and she broke it.
  • Second, Sasori cut Sakura and left his cord next to her. She pulled it long before he got to Chiyo and pulled him towards her.
  • Third, She destroyed 1 of his many puppets, and even then, Chiyo had to save her from another
  • Fourth, she through a Sealing Ball thing at him while Chiyo dealt with the puppets around her.
Sakura only has 2 legit feats against Sasori and one is an outlier based on the oher 95% of her own showings in the same fight. The other, Sakura would have had time to stop Sasori from attacking Chiyo with the fan. So, no, Sakura doesn't scale. Chiyo does.

Also, there is this statement from Deidara:

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AstralKing7 said:
shouldnt kill bee and kakashi and danzo have it all around since they managed to give sasuke a fight and KB and danzo almost killed sasuke
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Nope. Even Kep agrees it only scales to reaction speed. In the Case of Ay, it's notable because he's that's fast overall from Blitzing Sasuke. Which is the only reason we have Sub-Rel. Minato.
 
AstralKing7 said:
sage kabuto would scale tho right since he was overwhelming both Itachi fully healed and sasuke ems
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Yes. Edo Itachi would "Possibly" Scale to "At Least Mach 3000" in Reaction/Combat Speed for matching KCM Naruto in h2h. But it's only "Possibly" because we can't say 100% forsure Naruto was being casual or not. EMS Sasuke Scales to this in Reaction/Combat Speed as well.
 
lol i thought so cause KCM naruto was pretty much protrayed as the fastest person since minato tbh based on Ays statements.
 
Well based by Ays statements which mean nothing considering Naruto got his ass handed to him first by Nagato and Itachi and then by Obito
 
wait what did Itachi do to naruto tho lol cause i barely remember them having a full battle. I can understand Nagato tho since he had just absorbed KBs chakra and has a invisible summon waiting for naruto catching him off guard. I can uderstand the thing with Nagato just a little but not Itachi he was fighting a causal naruto on guard
 
By that i meant to say that if itachi didnt Break of from Kabutos control Bee and Naruto would have gotten killed in that fight

Also Casual Naruto is rougly equal to Ay
 
yeah Nagato and Itachi had the hax advantage in favor of them too hard lol

hey has all the scaling and feats been applied from this post
 
okay so is this revision technically finished? Hehe next is the Rel god tier revision that is accepted just has to be applied. Then the minato speed revision that will upgrade juubito, BSM Naruto, Enhanced susanno sasuke, sm hashirama and ems madara. Then finally the mid tier upgrade lol i believe we wont be finished until after summer lol
 
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