Nanatsu no Taizai: Upgrade MFTL

[Demon_Lord18]

Based on my failed attempt to upgrade the verse to FTL+, I will now try to upgrade it to MFTL (In my view, it makes sense).
I wanted to put the arguments here, but since they were already on a blog, I'll just place them here.

Speed scale NNT

vsbattles.fandom.com

You can see how it would look in the perfies here (Only important profiles and the ones I remembered are here)

I had this calculation accepted, this puts all the characters from the first season as Sub-Rel

Even Ruin and Fresia, since they are 1 ranks above Jericho who could damage and accompany Ban

Note: Please don't say things like 'Galand held an Ark, so the Ark is physical and cannot shoot light particles' or 'Elizabeth can move an Ark, constantly changing the direction of the Ark, so it is not made of light and doesn't have the speed of light'. For Galand, it's simple: that was not an Ark, it was another attack. The next point applies to both: saying the Ark doesn't shoot light particles just because it is physical would be like saying your camera doesn't shoot light because it is physical, or that the light that comes out of it while you are recording a video is slower than light because you are moving. These arguments appear because people think the Ark is composed of light particles, but it is not that; it shoots light particles.

 

[Damage3245]

Monspiet, Derieri, and Fraudrin escaping the Ark before being affected. They move after Tarmiel and Sariel activate the Ark, so to escape unscathed means they were faster than light photons.

Fraudrin was faster than Ark's light photons 1c (FTL)

I don't see Fraudrin being faster than Ark's light photons in the linked scans. The Ark was created over the top of Fraudrin, Monspeet and Derieriand while they were able to escape the Omega Ark's explosion, that doesn't mean they outran light itself. The explosion isn't necessarily lightspeed.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

I don't see Fraudrin being faster than Ark's light photons in the linked scans. The Ark was created over the top of Fraudrin, Monspeet and Derieriand while they were able to escape the Omega Ark's explosion, that doesn't mean they outran light itself. The explosion isn't necessarily lightspeed.

He would be deconstructed if he didn't escape the Ark before the photons of light reached him
When it 'explodes', it seems to send more photons to the target, as it should deconstruct even Monspiet, who didn't suffer in the beginning.
As you can see here, it starts deconstructing the person as soon as it's activated. However, upon 'activating its maximum power,', it quickly deconstructs.

 

[Damage3245]

He would be deconstructed if he didn't escape the Ark before the photons of light reached him
When it 'explodes', it seems to send more photons to the target, as it should deconstruct even Monspiet, who didn't suffer in the beginning.

We can see Monspeet being slowly disintegrated there in the second panel of that linked page. Also, it looks like Monspeet grabbed both Derireri and Fraudrin seemingly and moved them out of it.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

We can see Monspeet being slowly disintegrated there in the second panel of that linked page.

It was his clothes

Also, it looks like Monspeet grabbed both Derireri and Fraudrin seemingly and moved them out of it.

I don't think he did that, since it would be difficult for him to see something that would have the size/mass of Fraudrin, Derieri, and his own. However, he would still have to be faster than light to come out unscathed.

 

[JohnHendrix212]

Disagree as per Damage's reasoning. I too don't see the feat as necessarily being faster than the light explosion in those scans.

 

[Faa_Tzy]

If Galand's above SOL, then Zeldris will be faster than ludociels Margaret at that time. However, they're in fact equal.

MFTL is quite far, beware of inconsistencies.

 

[Makai641001]

Based on my failed attempt to upgrade the verse to FTL+, I will now try to upgrade it to MFTL (In my view, it makes sense).
I wanted to put the arguments here, but since they were already on a blog, I'll just place them here.

Speed scale NNT

vsbattles.fandom.com

You can see how it would look in the perfies here (Only important profiles and the ones I remembered are here)

I had this calculation accepted, this puts all the characters from the first season as Sub-Rel

Even Ruin and Fresia, since they are 1 ranks above Jericho who could damage and accompany Ban

Note: Please don't say things like 'Galand held an Ark, so the Ark is physical and cannot shoot light particles' or 'Elizabeth can move an Ark, constantly changing the direction of the Ark, so it is not made of light and doesn't have the speed of light'. For Galand, it's simple: that was not an Ark, it was another attack. The next point applies to both: saying the Ark doesn't shoot light particles just because it is physical would be like saying your camera doesn't shoot light because it is physical, or that the light that comes out of it while you are recording a video is slower than light because you are moving. These arguments appear because people think the Ark is composed of light particles, but it is not that; it shoots light particles.

The flash statement is perfectly useable.

In fact we can’t use these statement when they might be hyperbolic, the statement says that It allows Ludociel in Margaret’s body to move LITTERALY AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT.

We could agree on Ludociel in his true body having a stronger grace/being faster, though it’s impossible to quantify.

I disagree with the whole « fraudrin FTL » thing too it’s mid.

I’ll repeat It one more time, wanking NNT is not a solution.

The FTL+ thread was way more consistent.

 

[Makai641001]

If Galand's above SOL, then Zeldris will be faster than ludociels Margaret at that time. However, they're in fact equal.

They are not, with Ominous Nebulae Zeldris is tens of times faster.

LS ludo couldn’t escape the succion of his ON, in fact Zel was calced to be around 20c with ON

Current Zel doesn’t even need to be immobile anymore he can use It while flying. (And is way faster/stronger)

MFTL isn’t really far for the god tiers but not using these arguments.

 

[Faa_Tzy]

They are not, with Ominous Nebulae Zeldris is tens of times faster.

I'm not talking about when he's using ON, but when it comes to physical speed. Zeldris at least use DM 1 & can be on par with Ludociel. This way Zeldris DM 1 will get SOL as well. But, isn't Zeldris above Galand narratively? that would argue against it if Galand, Fraudrin, Melascula, etc on are above SOL.

I basically agree with ON above LS.

 

[Faa_Tzy]

We could agree on Ludociel in his true body having a stronger grace/being faster, though it’s impossible to quantify.

Will it have a higher rating or something? or keep it as SOL?

 

[Demon_Lord18]

If Galand's above SOL, then Zeldris will be faster than ludociels Margaret at that time. However, they're in fact equal.

No, Ludociel would also be above SOL

We could agree on Ludociel in his true body having a stronger grace/being faster, though it’s impossible to quantify.

We can clearly see a difference in strength and speed. To me, it makes sense that he is twice as fast in his true form.

I’ll repeat It one more time, wanking NNT is not a solution.

It's not wank, if I get Diane 1c I'll try it again, in the middle of the year

The FTL+ thread was way more consistent.

We can still get FTL+
This calculation supports the Sub-Rel

Spoiler: New scale

Sealed base Meliodas, increasing his speed to Mach 0.01c (Sub-Rel).

Demon Meliodas outsped Snatch Ban, who absorbed all of his base speed and added it to his own (Ban was slightly faster than Meliodas prior). Mach 0.02c (Sub-Rel).

Galand at half speed (since Ban stole it from him) mostly keeps up with a much faster Snatch Ban 0.04c (Sub-Rel)

Base Unsealed Meliodas is way faster than Galand, and 2nd Mark is a 4x multiplier. 0.16c (Rel)

Post-Revival base Meliodas is superior to his 2nd Mark, as he could wreck Derieri, and 2nd Mark is once again a 4x multiplier. 0.64c (Rel+)

Ludociel on Margaret's body 1c
True Form Ludociel can intercept attacks from the First Demon and some attacks from Zeldris in his second mark. 2c

Base Post-Pugatory Meliodas, overpowered Demon Zeldris in his first form. This is the same Demon King that Mael says he couldn't fight against, and 2nd Mark is once again a 4x multiplier. 8c (FTL)

Base 4KoA Meliodas is equal to base Arthur, who easily cut Cath into numerous pieces before he noticed. This same Cath was equal to an enlarged Demon Mark Meliodas in a potential future, and 2nd Mark is once again a 4x multiplier. 32c (FTL+)