Nanatsu No Taizai downgrades

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Right, many feats have been recalculated to low results (You can see everything here). This obviously changes the Tier of the NNT characters

Also, there is a problem with Gilthunder's Tier, he is considered to be a being who has created a storm his profile. But this is false, the manga says he only create a thundercloud, not a full storm with a 20 kilometer radius.
So whats Gilthunder tier? He will now be High 7-C, for being able to damage characters like Diane (He is weaker than Diane, but this proves that they are comparable).

Basically
Characters with High 7-C to Low 7-B will now be 8-B
Characters with 7-B will now be High 7-C
Characters with 6-C will now be 7-A+
Characters with High 6-C will now be 6-C (Via powerscale with High 7-A+ feat)

 

[Steve_Rogers1]

Characters with 7-B will now be High 7-C

This is fine.

Characters with 6-C will now be 7-A+

I assume you meant High 7-A+, which is fine. It should be noted that Post-Revival Meliodas with 60k combat class would scale 3x above this calc since he can damage Derieri, who takes no damage from her attack being full countered. Estarossa (60k) and Zeldris (61k) would scale to 6-C as well.

Characters with High 6-C will now be 6-C (Via powerscale with High 7-A+ feat)

Not all High 6-Cs should be downgraded. Tarmiel already has an accepted calculation for his grace. Any characters currently scaling should remain unchanged.

 

[KobsterHope07]

Not all High 6-Cs should be downgraded. Tarmiel already has an accepted calculation for his grace. Any characters currently scaling should remain unchanged.

Unfortunately, that Calc has a problem and has been deem invalid. You can check this thread out for more info: https://vsbattles.com/threads/nanatsu-no-taizai-calc-issue.115549/

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Tarmiel already has an accepted calculation for his grace.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/water-creation-is-not-a-calcable-feat.114892/

I assume you meant High 7-A+

No, I am referring to Dolor's calculation, which previously had a 6-C result, with the recalculation the feat is now 7-A+. Most of the 10 commandments scale to the feat.

 

[Steve_Rogers1]

High 7-C (424.97 Kilotons): Meliodas (Sealed), Diane (Gideon), Ban (Pre-Purgatory), King (Base), Hendrickson, Dreyfus, Gilthunder, Howzer, Arthur, Albion

7-A+ (652.35 Megatons): Drole, Gloxinia, Derieri (Base), Monspeet (Base), King (After Gloxinia's Training), Diane (Drole's Dance)

High 7-A+ (3.29 Gigatons): Meliodas (Unsealed Demon Mark), Derieri (Combo Star)

6-C (4.3 Gigatons): Zeldris, Estarossa, Escanor (Mid/Late Morning), Meliodas (Post Revival), Tarmiel, Sariel

6-C (12.6 Gigatons): Meliodas (Post Revival Assault Mode), Ludociel (Possessing Margaret), Chandler (True Form), Cusack (True Form)

6-C (25.2 Gigatons): Original Demon, Ludociel (True Body), Derieri (Indura), Monspeet (Indura), Chimera Indura

 

[KobsterHope07]

Would Gray Demon Blood Hendrickson be High 7-C+ via upscaling since his justification on his profile say that he “defeated Pre-Training King and Diane with a single Dark Nebula”.

 

[Steve_Rogers1]

Upscaling Hendrickson to High 7-C+ isn't necessary. He scales above Unsealed Demon Mark Meliodas, who stomps Ban, who stole all of his base strength and added it to his own.

High 7-C (424.97 Kilotons): Meliodas (Sealed), Diane (Gideon), Ban (Pre-Purgatory), King (Base), Hendrickson, Dreyfus, Gilthunder, Howzer, Arthur

High 7-C+ (849.94 Kilotons): Meliodas (Sealed Demon Mark), Hendrickson (Gray Demon Blood), Albion, Meliodas (Lostvayne), Matrona, Diane (After Drole's Training), Meliodas (Sealed Wrath)

7-A+ (652.35 Megatons): Drole, Gloxinia, Derieri (Base), Monspeet (Base), King (After Gloxinia's Training), Diane (Drole's Dance)

High 7-A+ (3.29 Gigatons): Meliodas (Unsealed Demon Mark), Derieri (Combo Star)

6-C (4.3 Gigatons): Zeldris, Estarossa, Escanor (Mid/Late Morning), Meliodas (Post Revival), Tarmiel, Sariel

6-C (12.6 Gigatons): Meliodas (Post Revival Assault Mode), Ludociel (Possessing Margaret), Chandler (True Form), Cusack (True Form)

6-C (25.2 Gigatons): Original Demon, Ludociel (True Body), Derieri (Indura), Monspeet (Indura), Chimera Indura

 

[Pepsiman25th]

man
theres gonna be a time where a single class S from opm can solo nanatsu

 

[KobsterHope07]

Upscaling Hendrickson to High 7-C+ isn't necessary. He scales above Unsealed Demon Mark Meliodas, who stomps Ban, who stole all of his base strength and added it to his own.

High 7-C (424.97 Kilotons): Meliodas (Sealed), Diane (Gideon), Ban (Pre-Purgatory), King (Base), Hendrickson, Dreyfus, Gilthunder, Howzer, Arthur

High 7-C+ (849.94 Kilotons): Meliodas (Sealed Demon Mark), Hendrickson (Gray Demon Blood), Albion, Meliodas (Lostvayne), Matrona, Diane (After Drole's Training), Meliodas (Sealed Wrath)

But since Hendrickson is scales far above since his justification also includes “Even Sealed Demon Mark Meliodas considered Revenge Counter the only possible way to defeat him“. And Baseline Low 7-B is not that far away from 849.94 Kilotons, Gray Blood Hendrickson should be around Baseline Low 7-B

 

[Damage3245]

Can we combine this CRT into the revisions as well: https://vsbattles.com/threads/nanatsu-no-taizai-calc-issue.115549/

I didn't have time to fully go through with it before, but since we're doing a major revision for the entire verse now, now seems like a good time.

EDIT: Just seen up above that people are already talked about it.

 

[ByAsura]

I agree with the Gilthunder downgrade. There's actually an aerial shot that shows his storms are probably large thunder clouds.

Edit: The scans.

For Galand, would he be Large Mountain level via downscaling? Imo, he's probably in a closer league to the other 10Cs than he is someone like Hendrickson or Albion, which is supported by the manga.

 

[KobsterHope07]

I agree with the Gilthunder downgrade. There's actually an aerial shot that shows his storms are probably large thunder clouds (I'll get that scan later).

For Galand, would he be Large Mountain level via downscaling? Imo, he's probably in a closer league to the other 10Cs than he is someone like Hendrickson or Albion, which is supported by the manga.

He could be downgraded to Baseline High 7-A+ (2.65GT) I guess for his justification on his profile being ‘Should not be overwhelmingly weaker than other Commandments who are below Unsealed Demon Mark Meliodas’

 

[ByAsura]

The difference is pretty big, tbf. His strongest form was almost one-shot by someone with a lower PL than Drole.

By the way, I think a recalculation of this could go somewhere.

Edit: I tried, and I don't think it will. The heights and directions are way too inconsistent for it to yield anything.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

By the way, I think a recalculation of this could go somewhere.

I created my own version a few days ago

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

For Galand, would he be Large Mountain level via downscaling?

I honestly don't see how this is valid. He is weaker than Drole, who now with the recalculations is only 7-A+.

Drole and Gloxinia was easily defeated by Demon Mark Meliodas. It doesn't make sense that they are High 7-A+

 

[StrawHatArslan]

These downgrades make 100% sense to me. Does this affect the god tiers at all or no.

 

[Steve_Rogers1]

These downgrades make 100% sense to me. Does this affect the god tiers at all or no.

God tiers should remain the same scaling from Mael's storm dispersion.

 

[StrawHatArslan]

God tiers should remain the same scaling from Mael's storm dispersion.

Sounds fine.

 

[ByAsura]

Drole was defeated somewhat easily, but he should partially scale to Demon Meliodas. He could make him bleed, and the Giga Fall was centred around Meliodas himself.

 

[Steve_Rogers1]

But since Hendrickson is scales far above since his justification also includes “Even Sealed Demon Mark Meliodas considered Revenge Counter the only possible way to defeat him“. And Baseline Low 7-B is not that far away from 849.94 Kilotons, Gray Blood Hendrickson should be around Baseline Low 7-B

You could make a case for Unsealed Demon Mark Meliodas being Low 7-B since he one shotted Ban, who was High 7-C+ at the time. Gray Demon Hendrickson would upscale from there.

 

[Steve_Rogers1]

Drole was defeated somewhat easily, but he should partially scale to Demon Meliodas. He could make him bleed, and the Giga Fall was centred around Meliodas himself.

At least 7-A, possibly High 7-A?

 

[ByAsura]

I think that makes sense.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

At least 7-A, possibly High 7-A?

This is fine

 

[Steve_Rogers1]

High 7-C (424.97 Kilotons): Meliodas (Sealed), Diane (Gideon), Ban (Pre-Purgatory), King (Base), Hendrickson, Dreyfus, Gilthunder, Howzer, Arthur

Low 7-B (1 Megaton): Meliodas (Sealed Demon Mark)

At least Low 7-B (1 Megaton): Hendrickson (Gray Demon Blood), Albion, Meliodas (Lostvayne), Matrona, Diane (After Drole's Training), Meliodas (Sealed Wrath), Galand, Meliodas (Unsealed)

7-A (652.35 Megatons): Gloxinia, Derieri (Base), Monspeet (Base), King (After Gloxinia's Training)

At least 7-A (652.35 Megatons), likely High 7-A (3.29 Gigatons): Drole, Diane (Drole's Dance)

High 7-A (3.29 Gigatons): Meliodas (Unsealed Demon Mark), Derieri (Combo Star)

6-C (4.3 Gigatons): Zeldris, Estarossa, Escanor (Mid/Late Morning), Meliodas (Post Revival), Tarmiel, Sariel

6-C (12.6 Gigatons): Meliodas (Post Revival Assault Mode), Ludociel (Possessing Margaret), Chandler (True Form), Cusack (True Form)

6-C (25.2 Gigatons): Original Demon, Ludociel (True Body), Derieri (Indura), Monspeet (Indura), Chimera Indura

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Low 7-B (1 Megaton): Meliodas (Sealed Demon Mark)

At least Low 7-B (1 Megaton): Hendrickson (Gray Demon Blood), Albion, Meliodas (Lostvayne), Matrona, Diane (After Drole's Training), Meliodas (Sealed Wrath), Galand, Meliodas (Unsealed)

Why? There is no multiplier. We just use "At least Large Town Level, likely far higher"

 

[ByAsura]

Don't we consider him 849.94 KT for grossly overpowering Ban with both their power? I could also see him upscaling to 1 megaton, because he literally one-shot Ban at that level and the Baste feat was super casual (so much so that Meliodas' base was superior to Ban in this arc by an absolutely enormous degree).

 

[Steve_Rogers1]

Why? There is no multiplier. We just use "At least Large Town Level, likely far higher"

The Demon Mark upscales from easily defeating Ban (424.97 Kilotons), who uses steal to add Meliodas's strength (424.97 Kilotons) to his own, resulting in an amped Ban at 849.94 Kilotons.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Yes, I never thought about that. Yeah, your scale is fine

 

[ByAsura]

7-A (652.35 Megatons): Gloxinia, Derieri (Base), Monspeet (Base), King (After Gloxinia's Training)

Derieri's physical strength is way above Drole, superior to base Zeldris (no God) and almost comparable to Demon Meliodas.

 

[Steve_Rogers1]

High 7-C (424.97 Kilotons): Meliodas (Sealed), Diane (Gideon), Ban (Pre-Purgatory), King (Base), Hendrickson, Dreyfus, Gilthunder, Howzer, Arthur

Low 7-B (1 Megaton): Meliodas (Sealed Demon Mark)

At least Low 7-B (1 Megaton): Hendrickson (Gray Demon Blood), Albion, Meliodas (Lostvayne), Matrona, Diane (After Drole's Training), Meliodas (Sealed Wrath), Galand, Meliodas (Unsealed)

7-A (652.35 Megatons): Gloxinia, Monspeet (Base), King (After Gloxinia's Training)

At least 7-A (652.35 Megatons), likely High 7-A (3.29 Gigatons): Drole, Diane (Drole's Dance), Derieri (Base)

High 7-A (3.29 Gigatons): Meliodas (Unsealed Demon Mark), Derieri (Combo Star)

6-C (4.3 Gigatons): Zeldris, Estarossa, Escanor (Mid/Late Morning), Meliodas (Post Revival), Tarmiel, Sariel

6-C (12.6 Gigatons): Meliodas (Post Revival Assault Mode), Ludociel (Possessing Margaret), Chandler (True Form), Cusack (True Form)

6-C (25.2 Gigatons): Original Demon, Ludociel (True Body), Derieri (Indura), Monspeet (Indura), Chimera Indura

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Right, it seems that the scale itself has been created. I'll ask a staff for approval to apply the changes

 

[ByAsura]

Looking at the revisions again, we should just consider Zeldris (w/God, as he was actually using God against Demon Meliodas), Estarossa, post-revival Mel, etc at least Large Mountain level+. There's a bit too much upscaling to make them island level, but Assault Mode Meliodas and co. are fine.

I'd also say that Tarmiel and Sariel's weaker vessels being Island level is also fine, as they were easily overpowering Estarossa and equaled him with two commandments.

 

[Damage3245]

That seems fine to me.

 

[Therefir]

I see no issues with the scaling and the ratings.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

ratings

This is impossible, literally all calculations have been recalc

Anyway, I will apply the changes

 

[Steve_Rogers1]

Looking at the revisions again, we should just consider Zeldris (w/God, as he was actually using God against Demon Meliodas), Estarossa, post-revival Mel, etc at least Large Mountain level+. There's a bit too much upscaling to make them island level, but Assault Mode Meliodas and co. are fine.

I'd also say that Tarmiel and Sariel's weaker vessels being Island level is also fine, as they were easily overpowering Estarossa and equaled him with two commandments.

High 7-C (424.97 Kilotons): Meliodas (Sealed), Diane (Gideon), Ban (Pre-Purgatory), King (Base), Hendrickson, Dreyfus, Gilthunder, Howzer, Arthur, Vivian, Elaine, Gerharde

Low 7-B (1 Megaton): Meliodas (Sealed Demon Mark)

At least Low 7-B (1 Megaton): Hendrickson (Gray Demon Blood), Albion, Meliodas (Lostvayne), Matrona, Diane (After Drole's Training), Meliodas (Sealed Wrath)

At least Low 7-B (1 Megaton), likely far higher: Elaine (Wings), Galand, Meliodas (Unsealed), Melascula, Gowther (Emotions Restored), Grayroad, Galand (Critical Over), King (After Gloxinia's Training), Gloxinia

At least 7-A (652.35 Megatons), likely High 7-A (3.29 Gigatons): Drole, Derieri (Base), Monspeet (Base)

High 7-A (3.29 Gigatons): Meliodas (Unsealed Demon Mark), Diane (Drole's Dance), Derieri (Combo Star)

At least High 7-A (3.29 Gigatons): Meliodas (Post Revival), Estarossa, Zeldris, Escanor (Mid Morning)

6-C (4.3 Gigatons): Tarmiel, Sariel, Escanor (Late Morning)

6-C (12.9 Gigatons): Meliodas (Post Revival Assault Mode), Chandler (True Form), Cusack (True Form), Ludociel (Possessing Margaret), Zeldris (God)

6-C (25.8 Gigatons): Original Demon, Ludociel (True Body), Derieri (Indura), Monspeet (Indura)

 

[Steve_Rogers1]

There are a couple things to note in the latest version of the scaling. I included the rest of the commandments I could think of. Drole's Dance Diane should scale straight to High 7-A since she can raise her physical strength to 50,000, which is equal with Unsealed Demon Mark Meliodas. Statements of her being comparable to Drole are before she reaches her peak iirc.

 

[ByAsura]

I just remembered that I got Small City level results from Albion II slicing a mountain/hill in half with an air swipe once. A recalc could support our current ratings, especially since it's extremely casual.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Ah, here

 

[ByAsura]

It's wrong, though. That's why I was talking about a recalc.