Nanatsu No Taizai downgrades

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Yeah, It is very difficult to use the size of a mountain for pixelscale, considering that the mountain is not completely visible

I know a very good method to use, the result will probably be higher. I can create a blog after the edits

 

[Tsotso]

At least 7-A (652.35 Megatons), likely High 7-A (3.29 Gigatons): Drole, Derieri (Base), Monspeet (Base)

High 7-A (3.29 Gigatons): Meliodas (Unsealed Demon Mark), Diane (Drole's Dance), Derieri (Combo Star)

IMO Drole, Derieri in base and Monspeet in base should also definitively scale to High 7-A considering that their power levels are 54K, 52K and 53K respectively while Unsealed DM Mel is 56K which is really close to the aforementioned three.

 

[Steve_Rogers1]

IMO Drole, Derieri in base and Monspeet in base should also definitively scale to High 7-A considering that their power levels are 54K, 52K and 53K respectively while Unsealed DM Mel is 56K which is really close to the aforementioned three.

Meliodas is able to slice clean through Drole, and takes his attacks with little to no damage. Derieri needs 53 hits with Combo Star to do any significant damage to Meliodas. Monspeet doesn't really have any scaling to him.

 

[ByAsura]

Meliodas was actually bleeding a little from the Giga Fall. But yeah, Gloxinia (especially him) and Drole are pretty far from him individually.

The combo star only adds 100 tons of force per hit. The fact that 53 totally crippled his arms, combined with her similar strength, suggests the difference in strength isn't massive. Just a few hits also caused him to noticeably struggle quite a bit.

 

[Steve_Rogers1]

Meliodas was actually bleeding a little from the Giga Fall.

This is why Drole gets "At least 7-A, likely High 7-A."

The combo star only adds 100 tons of force per hit. The fact that 53 totally crippled his arms, combined with her similar strength, suggests the difference in strength isn't massive.

It only adds 100 tons per hit, yet allows Derieri to deal significant damage Tarmiel in his true body, who is > 88k combat class. Though that detail does mean she should get something like "Up to 6-C with Combo Star"

Just a few hits also caused him to noticeably struggle quite a bit.

This just means that those few hits raised her power to a point she can start to overpower him. It's the whole point of her ability.

 

[ByAsura]

Tarmiel's body is not that strong (the fact that she used the exact same amount of punches on Meliodas as she did Tarmiel really just proves this), and she didn't actually do much aside from warp his body. The fact that she goes from slightly overpowering Meliodas with a few hits to crippling his arms with 53 attacks proves it doesn't amp her strength that massively, though it's noticeable.

 

[Tsotso]

Meliodas is able to slice clean through Drole

I didn't say they were precisely equal. Just that their PLs are close enough to be in the same tier.

and takes his attacks with little to no damage

In the first scan you can't really see Meliodas clearly to determine the damage. However, in the earlier scan you posted, Meliodas seems to have taken some damage from Giga Fall, which could be stronger than Giga Pick, which is why Meliodas took no visible damage in this scan. Also, you're forgetting to factor in demon regeneration.

Derieri needs 53 hits with Combo Star to do any significant damage to Meliodas.

She was already pressuring him from a few hits. And when you consider that they were relative in strength from the beginning according to the official PLs, it's not surprising why his arms were crushed after 53 consecutive hits.

Monspeet doesn't really have any scaling to him.

Except power levels, which were designed by the author and you can't just ignore for no reason.

 

[ByAsura]

If you look at power levels, Drole's magic is way higher than Meliodas', but his physical strength is vastly inferior. At least 7-A+, likely High 7-A makes plenty of sense, especially since Demon Meliodas was curbstoming both him and Gloxinia.

Edit: Actually, they did fight and damage Demon Chandler. Seems kind of like PIS, though, considering the fight between late afternoon Escanor (114,000) and Meliodas (142,000).

 

[Tsotso]

If you look at power levels, Drole's magic is way higher than Meliodas', but his physical strength is vastly inferior. At least 7-A+, likely High 7-A makes plenty of sense, especially since Demon Meliodas was curbstoming both him and Gloxinia.

Curbstomping is a bit overexaggerated. He did take damage during the fight and was only outmatching them by employing a switching strategy which was explained by Gowther to the others watching the fight.

Edit: Actually, they did fight and damage Demon Chandler. Seems kind of like PIS, though, considering the fight between late afternoon Escanor (114,000) and Meliodas (142,000).

Wasn't it stated by Chandler and Cusack that they were initially weakened after escaping the seal? i could be wrong, so don't quote me on that.

 

[ByAsura]

I didn't mean at the same time.

You're right, but I heard somewhere that they regained full power before the fight. I could be wrong on this.

 

[Tsotso]

You're right, but I heard somewhere that they regained full power before the fight. I could be wrong on this.

Imma go check out those chapters to see what was up with that.

 

[KobsterHope07]

For the Gray Demons, it is said on their profile that they “Overpowered a combination attack from Gilthunder and Howzer”. Is this talking about Gil and Howzer’s Pre-Training key? If so, this could make Gray Demon’s AP be around 849.94 KT (High 7-C+)

 

[ByAsura]

It was chapter Chapter 123, which is pre-training (137).

Gilthunder was also stronger than before.

Edit: The Gray Demon didn't overpower both at once.

 

[Tsotso]

There are two statements from Chandler himself which confirm that he is weakened during his fight against the sins and then Drole and Gloxinia. So them damaging Chandler isn't necessarily PIS.

 

[ByAsura]

His magic power was doubled beforehand because it was night. Plus, it was just his magic that was suppressed, not his strength, speed, etc.

 

[JooCipher]

the downgrades seem fair and all but there is no way Gloxinia is only Low 7-B(unless you are disconsidering his magic of course) bc iirc he performed a 7-A feat during his fight vs meliodas

 

[ByAsura]

That 7-A feat was recalced at High 7-C+.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Actually the recalculation is 7-A+

 

[ByAsura]

That's Drole, not Gloxinia.

Edit: I'm stupid. Didn't remember the other end.

 

[Damage3245]

Neither of them seriously damaged Chandler, did they? I seem to recall him beating them with ease.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

@Damage3245 ;

Didn't remember the other end.

Could you look at this calculation? This helps the scale. It's just one, completely ignore the other feats

 

[KobsterHope07]

That's Drole, not Gloxinia.

Edit: I'm stupid. Didn't remember the other end.

Just look into the comments and most of the calcs haven’t been evaluated yet, so Damage could also evaluate them as well.

 

[ByAsura]

Could you look at this calculation?

I actually have a few misgivings about Gloxinia's feat in general.

Edit: I can't post another comment on the blog for some reason. Here's what I was trying to say.

Tarmiel's Ocean

Why would GPE apply to creating an ocean dimension?

Gloxinia Calc

I prefer the earthquake method over assuming it made a big crater, but there's still some problems.

Firstly, the positioning of Gloxinia's feat is weird. He wasn't far above the ground and faced the beam downwards (obviously, that's why it goes on a downward trajectory past the maze), but it's suddenly hundreds of metres above Drole's wall, and going past the centre of the maze after hitting Meliodas in what's supposed to be the opposite direction. Secondly, if the explosion was 42 km outside of the centre of Vaizel maze, these hills (you can see the edge of the explosion hitting the hill) and buildings would be gigantic.

Elizabeth and co. were very close to the centre of the maze, so you could just use the 8 miles as the radius. The value is now 1.1324736e+18 J, or 270.66767858 Megatons (Mountain level). It was like a kilometre outside of the maze and Meliodas' friends were held in that massive hands, so the results are a tad low-balled.

Baste

This only increases the result marginally, but you could measure the entire base's mid-section as two Gabriel's horns.

Looking at the actual size, I think they may have exaggerated it at long distance. Close up, the room-sized windows aren't that big, and characters like Diane are even larger than the lower sections. Similarly, normal humans aren't absolutely dwarfed by the lower levels.

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Even if the results end up being lower, there's still tons of calcs that can be done. For example, Ban (seemingly at a weaker level of power) and the Red Demon obliterated the Sacred Tree and kilometres of forest. I think there's also some new light novels.

 

[Steve_Rogers1]

That calc could give Gloxinia and Post Training King something to scale to if accepted. Critical Over Galand could possibly scale as well.
On another note, should we really be using Full Counter as a 3x multiplier? It's supposed to be greater than 2x, but you cannot quantity it beyond that. It could very well be 2.1, 2.5, or 2.9x and still fit.

 

[ByAsura]

The characters actually say "several" in many of the raws.

 

[Steve_Rogers1]

The characters actually say "several" in many of the raws.

Okay, then God tiers should be fine as they are.

 

[KobsterHope07]

Bump

 

[StrawHatArslan]

have these been applied

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

So I'm without a computer. Can anyone edit the pages?

 

[KobsterHope07]

So I'm without a computer. Can anyone edit the pages?

Did you see the comment from ByAsura regarding the calculations of your blog above

 

[KobsterHope07]

BUMP

 

[ByAsura]

I forgot about this, but I collected a few feats and some information from the light novels a few days ago. They're mostly inferior to even the calculated feats here, so I'll just highlight the best in bold.

• Howzer's spear has the quality of a Sacred Treasure. For context, using a normal sword amps his power out of control. It's strongly implied that Gilthunder also has one. Of course, this was obvious from context clues (Guila and Jericho had them as knights, they channel lightning and thunder, etc), but now we have direct confirmation.
• Shortly after the Sins' "coup", there's an enormous storm somewhere in Britannia. The intense weather creates a flow of such magnitude that it would have obliterated an entire village. Diane stopped it (without Gideon, notably) by (collapsing a mountain?) and shifting the western portion of the village to a very high elevation.
• As adolescents or young adults, Gilthunder and Howzer's powers (with Sacred Treasures, of course) make a thundercloud. It's implied that Gilthunder became significantly more powerful beyond this point.
• The Chimera that Gilthunder killed was capable of levelling a cliff by bursting out of Hendrickson and Vivian's lab. For context, the cliffside was on a hill that the Chimera almost split in two by escaping. Said Chimera was also nowhere near the level of the next generation knights.
• Vivian can use fusion magic to splice animals. It becomes far easier to perform with Merlin's magic square, but doesn't really change the quality of the fusions. The novel goes into the process.
• Vivian's emotional manipulation is a form of mind control.
• Gowther's armour used to be far more effective on Dale because the seal is wearing off. So even his sealed state in the manga is far more powerful than the level of power he needed to shake mountains by merely roaring.
• Merlin's body is kind of an illusion. I think this was a projected body she made during the 10Cs arc.
• Gowther's powers mostly don't work on Dale.
• The Sacred Tree is taller than mountains, which can be seen in a few panels. A Red Demon obliterates hundreds of metres of forest, and Ban's final blow against it seemingly makes a shockwave larger than the tree itself. It's worth noting that Ban had a sacred treasure, but he was also getting overpowered by the Red Demon, meaning he's significantly less powerful.

 

[Greatsage13th]

This is hot.

 

[Smashtwig]

Yo am I tripping or have these not been applied yet

 

[ByAsura]

Life of King has yet to respond. He said he's back today, though.

 

[Smashtwig]

Ebic I was aboutta make a Low7B match but realized Mid Regen exists

 

[Greatsage13th]

Ebic I was aboutta make a Low7B match but realized Mid Regen exists

Mid regen isn't as hard to counter as you may think.

 

[Smashtwig]

Y tho

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Why would GPE apply to creating an ocean dimension?

It was suggested that feats like Termi's should use the GPE method

And thinking """""now""""", the scale of the ocean is not good. 8000 kilometers is the radius, not the diameter. It doesn't make sense to assume from that perspective the horizon would be the diameter. So

Volume = 8000^2*3692*Pi
Volume = 742320644931m^3
Mass = 6.8219267e+14Kg
GPE = 6.8219267e+14*(3692/2)*9.81
GPE = 1.2354004e+19 Joules (High 7-A+)

Not amazing, but still good

Elizabeth and co. were very close to the centre of the maze, so you could just use the 8 miles as the radius. The value is now 1.1324736e+18 J, or 270.66767858 Megatons (Mountain level).

That's fair enough. My scale is also bullshit and wank, I don't know why I assumed it was a mountain

Looking at the actual size, I think they may have exaggerated it at long distance. Close up, the room-sized windows aren't that big, and characters like Diane are even larger than the lower sections. Similarly, normal humans aren't absolutely dwarfed by the lower levels.

I don't know, it is shown at least 3 times the perspective of the Bastle. Im neutral about this. But let's see the height

Blue Line = 2pxl | 1.5
Red Line = 234pxl | 176.25

This is a massive downgrade. The result probabily is lass than 8-A with this pixelscale

 

[ByAsura]

I still think it's weird. They're just forming an ocean and skies, GPE has nothing to do with it.

We're shown the smaller scale of Baste way more, and it's quite consistent. In any media, exaggerating size and scale serves to make something more dreadful.