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Nanatsu no Taizai AP Issues

The main problem is OG demon durability was going down depends on how much damage he takes due to the crisis, idk if anyone who stomp him makes them low 6-B
 
We should also change the formatting of Zeldris's Page to this, would make more sense with the rest of the verse

Tier: At least 6-C, at least High 6-C with God and Ominous Nebula | At least High 6-C, higher with God and Ominous Nebula

Attack Potency: At least Island level (Stronger than Unsealed Demon Mark Meliodas), at least Large Island level with God and Ominous Nebula (Matched Ludoshel in combat. Melascula stated that he could destroy her Cocoon of Darkness, which Post-Revival Demon Mark Meliodas couldn't do. Stomped Ludoshel and Near-Noon Escanor) | At least Large Island level+ (Demon Mark multiplies the users power. Kept up with a casual Afternoon Mael), higher with God and Ominous Nebula (Multiplied his power and briefly held back "The One" Escanor)

Key: Base | 2nd Demon Mark
 
I agree with the new format for Zeldris but you forgot just his 2nd Demon Mark state so it should probably look like this if we use your scaling.

Tier: At least 6-C, at least High 6-C with God, higher with Ominous Nebula | At least 6-C+, Likely Low 6-B with God, Low 6-B with Ominous Nebula

Attack Potency: At least Island level (Stronger than Unsealed Demon Mark Meliodas), at least Large Island level with God (Matched Ludoshel in combat), higher with Ominous Nebula (Stomped Ludoshel and Near-Noon Escanor) | At least Island level+ (Demon Mark multiplies the users power), Likely Small Country level with God (Kept up with and bruised a casual Afternoon Mael), Small Country level with Ominous Nebula (Briefly held back The One Escanor and destroyed Demon King's Hermit of Moments which could overpower him using God in his 2nd Demon Mark state)

Keys: Base | 2nd Demon Mark
 
Alright, how about this

At least High 6-C (At least 221.8 Gigatons): Near Noon Escanor

At least High 6-C (At least 443.6 Gigatons): Post-Revival Assault Mode Meliodas, Zeldris with God and Ominous Nebula, Ludoshel in Magarets Body, Chandler, Cusack

At least High 6-C+ (At least 887.2 Gigatons): Original Demon, True Body Ludoshel, Elizabeth

Likely Low 6-B (Likely 1 Teraton): Prime Meliodas, Full Power Zeldris, Sunshine Mael, 4C Mael, True Wings King

Low 6-B (1 Teraton): 50% Demon King and Supreme Deity, Post-Purgatory Meliodas, Post-Purgatory Ban, Demon King Possessing Meliodas, Wild

Low 6-B (2 Teratons): 100% Demon King and Supreme Deity

This should be what we use
 
And here's my list if High 6-C+ goes away.

Low 7-B stays the same.

7-A stays the same.

High 7-A+ becomes varying degrees of 6-C with Pre-Purgatory Hunter Fest Ban being at least 7-A likely 6-C

High 6-C+ becomes at least High 6-C

Low 6-Bs stay the same except they will no longer have the at least. Also Original Demon and 2nd Demon Mark Zeldris w/ God gets changed to at least High 6-C+. Though I still believe Original Demon should get a possibly/likely Low 6-B in Base due to scaling.

God Tiers are at least Low 6-B likely higher (Due to their statements of being unable to stay in the mortal world for too long.
 
2nd Demon Mark Zeldris with God fought Afternoon Mael Tho, he should still scale to Low 6-B
 
Well Mael was really casual at the time and he was getting weaker so maybe at least High 6-C+ likely Low 6-B or just likely Low 6-B for 2nd Demon Mark Zeldris w/ God.

True Body Ludoshel stomped Original Demon. Original Demon had to power up three times with Crisis before he finally managed to overpower Ludoshel. Elizabeth is even stronger than Ludoshel so they should just be Low 6-B. The only ones who are High 6-C+ are 2nd Demon Mark Zeldris w/ God and Original Demon.
 
The Zeldris that fought Mael Tanked several of his attacks and did far better than than anyone else. Zeldris should be Low 6-B and then higher with Ominous Nebula
 
Well after looking at the volume extras again I think it's fine to just remove the at least High 6-C+ lowball and just give 2nd Demon Mark Zeldris w/ God Likely Low 6-B. He was able to trade blows with and bruise casual Afternoon Mael who was getting but was heavily injured by Mael's explosion fist thing even though he blocked it.
 
At this point considering how big of a disappointment the Original Demon was I'd say 2nd Demon Mark Zeldris w/ God is probably stronger.
 
Original Demon w/ Crisis > 2nd Demon Mark Zeldris w/ God > Base Original Demon

2nd Demon Mark Zeldris w/ God was unable to push back True Body Ludoshel while Original Demon actually managed to overwhelm him after he powered up with Crisis.
 
He sent a darkness slash at True Body Ludoshel which was blocked by him. After that the rest of the darkness that wasn't fully blocked started to head towards Merlin before getting destroyed by King and Elizabeth.
 
It appears fairly clear that The Original Demon in the narrative of the story isn't stronger than Zeldris, Mael, or even King from the onset of the battle.

Even with Crisis, I don't think he really gets anywhere near as strong as the people who are straight up stronger than him.
 
VersusJunkie54 said:
NNT power levels have questionable reliability, but they're nothing like DB power levels. They are reliable to an extent that we can use them to roughly pinpoint characters who otherwise don't have many other feats they could potentially scale to.
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Off topic but how are DB power levels worse? as far as I can remember in the manga A character at full power with a power level higher than someone else is always stronger or at least comparable.

At least DBZ doesn't have Merlin who is only 4k but can damage 39k Grayroad without using any hax.
 
Merlin is a powerscaling anomaly tbh. Having a stated pl of 4K. Getting smacked by Galand, and then No Diffing Chandler and Cusack.

She won't make sense no matter what we decide.
 
Merlin in context really gets her strength through prep, outwitting her opponents, and hax.

The writing around her is pretty bad though. We have to just draw a line somewhere.
 
So we're going with this, right?

At least High 6-C (At least 221.8 Gigatons): Near Noon Escanor

At least High 6-C (At least 443.6 Gigatons): Post-Revival Assault Mode Meliodas, Zeldris with God and Ominous Nebula, Ludoshel in Magarets Body, Chandler, Cusack

At least High 6-C+ (At least 887.2 Gigatons): Original Demon, True Body Ludoshel

Likely Low 6-B (Likely 1 Teraton): 2nd Demon Mark+God Zeldris

Low 6-B (1 Teraton): Prime Meliodas, Elizabeth, Sunshine Mael, 4C Mael, True Wings King, Full Power Zeldris

At least Low 6-B, likely higher (At least 1 Teraton, likely higher): 50% Demon King and Supreme Deity, Post-Purgatory Meliodas, Post-Purgatory Ban, Demon King Possessing Meliodas, Wild

At least Low 6-B, likely higher (At least 2 Teratons, likely higher): 100% Demon King and Supreme Deity
 
True Body Ludoshel should also be Low 6-B. Original Demon had to power up with Crisis three times before he finally managed to turn the stomp around and started to overpower Ludoshel. Also he blocked an attack from 2nd Demon Mark Zeldris w/ God.

Also Original Demon should be Low 6-B with Crisis. Prime Assault Mode Meliodas and The One Mael should probably be at least Low 6-B since a much weaker Mael who was gradually weakening one shot The Original Demon who was now stronger than Ludoshel. Plus they are pretty much the strongest top tiers in the series.
 
No "At leasts" for anyone and The Original Demon is complete fodder, even with Crisis, also Ludoshel didn't really stomp the Original Demon
 
He did though. The Original Demon tried to attack Ludoshel but he casually no sold everything he tried to do. And even after he powered up with Crisis Ludoshel still blocked if with almost no effort at all. Ludoshel was only shown to have some trouble stopping his attacks after the second power up. By the third power up Original Demon finally started to overpower him. Also like I said he also managed to block attacks from 2nd Demon Mark Zeldris w/ God. So that's another justification for him being Low 6-B other than stomping a High 6-C+.

Prime Assault Mode Meliodas and The One Mael should get at least Low 6-B. The One Mael is ridiculously more powerful than himself at any other time of day. And he's so powerful that even past noon he could one shot Original Demon who became stronger than True Body Ludoshel.

So here's how I think the scaling would look.

At least High 6-C: Near Noon Escanor, Post-Revival Assault Mode Meliodas, Base Zeldris w/ God and Ominous Nebula, Ludoshel in Magarets Body, True Form Chandler and Cusack

At least High 6-C+: Original Demon

Likely Low 6-B: 2nd Demon Mark Zeldris w/ God

Low 6-B: True Body Ludoshel, Original Demon w/ Crisis, Prime Demon Mark Meliodas, Elizabeth, Sunshine Mael, 4C Mael, True Wings King, Full Power Zeldris

At least Low 6-B: Prime Assault Mode Meliodas and The One Mael

At least Low 6-B, likely higher: 50% Demon King and Supreme Deity, Post-Purgatory Meliodas, Post-Purgatory Ban, Demon King Possessing Meliodas, Wild, 100% Demon King and Supreme Deity
 
First of all, the At least Low 6-B is unnecessary then since due to the format of Meliodas and Mael profiles, they'll be "higher" with The One and Assault Mode
 
Three things Mitch.

1- You forgot about Escanor in "The One". He should be Low 6-B as he was struggling with Full Power Zeldris.

2- True Body Ludociel should be Likely Low 6-B. I don't see him being weaker than Zeldris with 2DM and God, he also surpassed the OD quite easily (with the guy needing a few Crisis boosts to surpass him).

3- You also forgot about Induras. They should be Low 6-B as they surpassed Ludociel and even Elizabeth had some trobles with them.
 
Alright I think I'm done with the revision. The only one left is Elizabeth whose profile got locked due to constant vandalism.
 
@Peter

Why did you get rid of the exact values of the multipliers, and the numbers that people scale to in the notes section of the calculations, people should able to know the exact AP of the characters
 
The AP values aren't really exact. Some characters Low 7-B chracters aren't just baseline (1 Megaton). Same with some 7-As (100 Megatons) and Low 6-Bs (1 Teraton). And they definitely don't all scale to the exact same AP value. So we just need to say where the tiers came from no need to say all that extra stuff that aren't all that accurate. Cause for example it seems weird to say all the 7-A's are just 100 Megatons when there are 7-A's that causally one shot 7-A's that stomp 7-A's. It's better to simply just say they are 2x a calc or are simply stronger than somebody who borderlines the next tier.
 
Well no AP result is ever exact, but we should have checkpoints for characters like how Escanor is at least 221 Gigatons while Assault Mode Meliodas would at least be 442 Gigatons, it clarifies how high they are in AP so people who want to know where they AP is for their matches can know how strong a character is
 
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