Mysterio Rework

[CowHeadGod]

Big o' rework for the master of illusions.

• New profile
• Old profile

I've currently listed Cosmic Comic Mysterio as unknown as I'm way too tired at the time of this post if anyone wants to propose a more solid tiering; feel free to do so.

 

[CowHeadGod]

bump

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Yeah, this look good

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Look great

 

[Antvasima]

Is "How to read comics the Marvel way" really considered a part of regular continuity?

Except for that, your draft looks good to me at least, but we need more input.

 

[CowHeadGod]

Is "How to read comics the Marvel way" really considered a part of regular continuity?

There's no official statement on its continuity (that I can find at least) however it repeatedly references events and stories of the 616 universe

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

I've been wanting to overhaul Mysterios profile for so long lmao. But I never had the knowledge for it.

This looks really great, agree with the OP.

 

[Antvasima]

There's no official statement on its continuity (that I can find at least) however it repeatedly references events and stories of the 616 universe

If it has never been referenced in regular stories, it seems too unreliable to use, especially if it was a very brief power-up that does not fulfill our basic standards for sufficient relevance.

 

[Cropfist]

Yeah, I don't think the one time vague 4th wall power up is necessary.

 

[Ayewale]

Big o' rework for the master of illusions.

• New profile
• Old profile

I've currently listed Cosmic Comic Mysterio as unknown as I'm way too tired at the time of this post if anyone wants to propose a more solid tiering; feel free to do so.

Nice. I really do like this revision, it's a massive upgrade from the old profile and seems pretty much ready to go. His Cosmic Comic form is very interesting but it seems too temporary to be added (per Antvasima's words) but otherwise, you've got my approval, however valuable that is

 

[CowHeadGod]

If it has never been referenced in regular stories, it seems too unreliable to use, especially if it was a very brief power-up that does not fulfill our basic standards for sufficient relevance.

Well, the first issue of his appearance in this form was only December last year and he was the main threat of that limited run.

Dunno about Marvel's notability criteria but if that's truly the case, I'll remove it.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you. It should probably be fine then.

@The_Impress @Qawsedf234 @LordTracer @Firestorm808 @Eficiente

What do you think?

 

[LordTracer]

This looks good to me.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for the evaluation.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Looks alright.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.

This revision can probably be applied then, but it is best to wait a bit longer in order to make certain.

 

[Firestorm808]

No issues with it.

 

[Eficiente]

Extraordinary work here. Duplication is wrong as they are not real.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.

What was accepted here can probably be applied then. However, that means that the entire cosmic comic statistics key and duplication should be removed first.

 

[CowHeadGod]

Extraordinary work here. Duplication is wrong as they are not real.

Removed

That means that the entire cosmic comic statistics key should be removed first.

Removed, powers moved to 'Optional Equipment'.

Applied everything else, guess this can be closed.

 

[Antvasima]

Wait a little. The cosmic comic is likely not even an official part of continuity, and is a brief power-up as well. All of the information related to it should preferably be removed from Mysterio's page.

 

[CowHeadGod]

The cosmic comic is likely not even an official part of continuity

Again, events from the 616 universe are directly mentioned and Spider-Man remembers all of them, implying this is indeed the 616 versions of the characters.

Brief power-up

Mysterio had it for an entire miniseries. Yes, it's brief compared to permanent transformation but that should be enough to at least warrant the mention of the powers and abilities of the Cosmic Comic in the Optional Equipment section.

 

[Antvasima]

The problem is that this is a heavy metafiction story that interacts with the readers in an unnatural manner compared to other Spider-Man stories. Even if it incorporates the history of the character, this does not mean that the regular comic book stories will acknowledge it as a part of their own continuity.

Also, even if this was the case, I do not think that the upgrade lasted long enough to be incorporated in the current manner.

 

[Eficiente]

I don't think those reasons are good to say it's noncanon.

Mysterio is a pretty minor character, so I have no isssue with this being added as it won't hinder the profile.

 

[Antvasima]

I am not so sure. It is still a very brief power-up.

@The_Impress @Qawsedf234 @Firestorm808 @LordTracer @Armorchompy

What do you think about this?

 

[Armorchompy]

From a quick read, How to Read Comics the Marvel Way goes out of its way to end in a way that does not cause any issues with canon (effectively the events of the comic itself are undone) so I think there's no reason to consider it non-canon.

It can't get a key since it's only 4 issues, however including it as P&A is fine since it's something the character has at his disposal (but Spider-Man doesn't without the story's events, so he wouldn't have it). I also think given that it's its own thing with P&A that's quite different from Mysterio's usual deal, giving it its own sub-tabber under "Optional Equipment" would be good.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, I agree about that if we keep it, it should preferably get its own tabber.

 

[Armorchompy]

Also as a side note I really like how the comic explains comic book workings, it's really neat.

Oh also, great work on the profile overall, seems all good at a glance from me

 

[Armorchompy]

Actually hold on, apologies, but I just noticed the profile uses the Handbooks for a couple minor things. We tend to not use them as the sole evidence for anything since it's unreliable. You're only using it for Self-Sustenance, which might need to be removed, and Martial Arts though, so if Mysterio has other feats of holding his own decently in H2H combat, that should be fine to keep - Handbooks are fine for supporting pre-existing abilities, as I understand.

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

in Mysterio’s first appearance (The Amazing Spider-Man #13) Mysterio was shown to be skilled enough to Throw Spiderman over his back and Skillfully roll through Spider-Mans punches to avoid damage.

idk if this qualifies for Martial Arts, but he certainly does possess H2H knowledge.

 

[Armorchompy]

I'd say that's enough to support the Handbook yea

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

Also, for Self-Substance, I'd like to point out that it's supported in the comics themselves.

For example, Mysterio implies that his helmet protects him from his own hallucinogenic mist (Web of Spider-Man, Issue 90), with him being exposed to the mist once said helmet is cracked.

This IMO, supports his suit having its own air supply.

He also pretty much constantly surrounds himself with smoke throughout his various appearances, yet suffers no adverse effects to his breathing. So I'd say his suit supplying him air isn't inconsistent with how the character is usually portrayed.

 

[Armorchompy]

I think you can do likely and elaborate further yeah

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, better referencing would be beneficial.

 

[Mariogoods]

The profile seems good. However, I'm unsure if it is good to put mainstream universe Mysterio and Ultimate Comic Mysterio into one profile? VS Battles Wiki currently treats them as separate continuities and therefore mainstream comic character and their Ultimate Comic counterparts have separate profiles. I don't see any explanations regarding this in Mysterio's profile too.

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

The profile seems good. However, I'm unsure if it is good to put mainstream universe Mysterio and Ultimate Comic Mysterio into one profile? VS Battles Wiki currently treats them as separate continuities and therefore mainstream comic character and their Ultimate Comic counterparts have separate profiles. I don't see any explanations regarding this in Mysterio's profile too.

Ultimate Mysterio is just an android created by the main universe variant. They are the same person.

Or rather, anything shown in Ultimate, Mysterio can do in the main universe.

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

I think once the OP adds the changes to Martial Arts and Self-Substance discussed earlier, it can be closed, yeah? Unless the OP has anything else to say on the matter.

It's a solid profile.

 

[Mariogoods]

Ultimate Mysterio is just an android created by the main universe variant. They are the same person.

Or rather, anything shown in Ultimate, Mysterio can do in the main universe.

I feel that such information is necessary to be noted in the profile (with references) to prevent confusion from non-knowledgeable members.

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

Mysterio reveals that Ultimate Mysterio is a robotic avatar of himself (Spider-Men, issue #2)

This can be used as a reference, if a note is really needed. (If the image is a bit blurry, feel free to use a different one, OP)

 

[Antvasima]

I feel that such information is necessary to be noted in the profile (with references) to prevent confusion from non-knowledgeable members.

Mysterio reveals that Ultimate Mysterio is a robotic avatar of himself (Spider-Men, issue #2)

This can be used as a reference, if a note is really needed. (If the image is a bit blurry, feel free to use a different one, OP)

A footnote seems necessary, yes.

Also, shouldn't the cosmic comic abilities be moved to a separate tabber of their own?