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I don’t mean to derail just wanted to ask when/where the future upgrades like the ones from the arcs were gonna be discussed
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My Hero Academia: Upgrades and Revisions
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Not until we're certain the battle isn't going to have any more surprises.
Also the cloud density revision going on needs to end first.
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Why isn't Shoto's Flashfreeze Heatwave classified as "higher" instead of Unknown, when it's stated in the justification that it's way stronger than his former attacks?
Also is there a specific reason why Kirishima's AP and Durability with Hardening/RRU at times differ? Should they not scale to the same value since it's the same body of Kirishima that tanks or takes blows also the same one that dishes the same amount of force? Unless somewhere in the manga it's stated that he's more durable than he is strong or something like that
Also is there a specific reason why Kirishima's AP and Durability with Hardening/RRU at times differ? Should they not scale to the same value since it's the same body of Kirishima that tanks or takes blows also the same one that dishes the same amount of force? Unless somewhere in the manga it's stated that he's more durable than he is strong or something like that
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If his ratings differ that means he lacks feats of hurting people on par with him in that state.
We don't scale people to their own durability without proper reason.
Edit: However forgot that Unbreakable Kirishima should have 7-A+ durability as well via taking a hit from Machia, who was stomping Mt. Lady.
Does anyone have an issue with that?
Shoto's rating is Unknown just because that is how it is on the profile currently.
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Yes?
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Didn’t Todoroki use a Flashfire move in the WHM movie? And he was about to use one against Tetsutetsu
Should we get an “up to 7-A+ with Flashfire”
Should we get an “up to 7-A+ with Flashfire”
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I wasn't certain about it so I just ignored it. Also that'd give Leviathan at most 7-A durability, since he survived the attack but he was knocked out.
He can't use Flashfire Fist properly during the Joint Training Arc and never tries to do it again. That's why he reached out to Endeavor afterward, he isn't capable yet.
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I guess for Todoroki’s WHM key, he can get a
“High 8-C, up to 7-A with Flashfire Fist”
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Also should Dabi get some sort of movement speed for his fire? If Endeavor has Massively Hypersonic speed through propulsion, Dabi should get the same thing since he also propels himself with fire (did it to blitz Todoroki who was trying to start Phosphor), and Dabi’s fire is stated to be stronger than Endeavor’s
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We didn't propel himself during the War and we aren't doing anything from the final battle in this thread.
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It’s not as if Dabi got any stronger or quicker or learned anything new from the last battle to now, but alright
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Actually Dabi propelled himself twice iirc. He did it when he was about to use Prominence Burn on the heroes, and he did it when he was in the Gunga Villa.
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He didn't get off Prominence Burn and wasn't propelling himself. He was just falling down as he was preparing it.
What he did in the villa wasn't Flashfire Fist, he was just using Blueflame normally.
Heck you can just say that higher with Flashfire Fist also including propelling himself alright?
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Yeah sure that works
“Massively Hypersonic combat speed and reactions, higher with Flashfire”
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Also should Todoroki get something similar with his ice? He was able to slide as fast as 10% Deku in WHM, so maybe it could be
Hypersonic+ reactions and combat speed, Hypersonic+ with Half Cold and Half Hot
Hypersonic+ reactions and combat speed, Hypersonic+ with Half Cold and Half Hot
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That's already on his current profile and the sandbox.
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Actually if we are treating Dabi’s Blueflame as equal to Endeavor’s Flashfire, he doesn’t need the “combat speed and reaction” part
Instead he can just get
“Massively Hypersonic, higher with Flashfire”
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Maybe.
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This also makes Tokoyami Massively Hypersonic for keeping pace with Dabi and evading a few blasts
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Dabi was holding back and even admits to it when Tokoyami tried to fly away.
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Ah forgot abt that
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Bump. Okay so Wolfram's was solidified and the cloud ends will be either 63 MT or 176 MT.
Now because I'm bored, here's a list of the current suggested scaling. Also added some new stuff because of what was discussed above.
Please look at the sandboxes below the list for a more detailed look at the scaling.
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Now because I'm bored, here's a list of the current suggested scaling. Also added some new stuff because of what was discussed above.
Please look at the sandboxes below the list for a more detailed look at the scaling.
100% Deku's Air Pressure: 748.01 Megatons of TNT (Mountain level+) and Mach 133.10 (Massively Hypersonic)
Lifting Strength: Class T (Is capable of pushing back against this amount of force during his fight with Wolfram)
All For One Shigaraki: Mountain level+ (As Dr. Garaki to be his masterpiece he should be superior to Nine. Broke Ryukyu's arms with a single punch. Capable of withstanding a barrage of Deku's 100% attacks, who is far stronger than he was during his fight with Nine, while his body was weakened and healing slower)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (As Doctor Garaki's masterpiece he should at least be as fast as Nine. Is just as quick as All Might and the USJ Nomu)
Lifting Strength: Class T (Stated to be comparable to All Might and the USJ Nomu)
High-Ends: Mountain level+ (Capable of taking hits from Star and Stripe alongside Shigaraki. As High-Ends they possess stats above the Upper-Tier Nomu, making them at least comparable to the USJ Nomu. A Near High-End survived the overwhelming power of the Intercontinental Punch)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Is at least comparable to the USJ Nomu)
Lifting Strength: Class T (Is at least comparable to the USJ Nomu)
Endeavor: Mountain level+ (Capable of harming High-End Nomu, who have comparable durability to Shigaraki. Withstood being thrown through buildings by a High-End Nomu, who is at least comparable to the USJ Nomu.)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Can react to All For One Shigaraki's attacks and kept pace with his jump, though he is somewhat slower than him)
Lifting Strength: Class T (Kept a High-End Nomu pinned to the floor, who threw Mirko at him to get him off. Was able to stop and hold All For One Shigaraki's wrist, who used an Air Cannon to knock him away. Can send a High-End Nomu flying with his Hellflame)
Ryukyu: Mountain level+ (Can dig her teeth and claws into a High-End Nomu. Survived Shigaraki punching Endeavor into her, though she was knocked out for a small amount of time. Withstood Deku's 100% shockwave from close range, who is much stronger than he was during his fight with Nine)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Was able to intercept Shigaraki, who was moving faster than normal)
Dabi: Mountain level+ (Hus Blueflame evenly clashed with Endeavor's Flashfire Fist. His own Flashfire Fist is confirmed to be greater than Endeavor's)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Capable of reacting to Endeavor's Flashfire Fist attacks, and evenly clashing with him)
Geten: Mountain level+ (Capable of evenly clashing with Dabi's Blueflame)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Can keep up with and react to Dabi's Blueflames)
Shoto: Mountain level+ (Able to use Flashfire attacks similar to Endeavor, was stated to have fire power on par with Endeavor. All For One complimented his Quirk along with Wave Motion, and consider them both to be strong)
Mt. Lady (Final Act Saga): Mountain level+ (Can take hits from Geten and break through his ice structures. Was capable of slowing down a charging Gigantomachia, something neither Dabi or Geten could do)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Capable of reacting to attacks from Geten)
Mt. Lady (U.A. Beginning Saga): Multi-City Block level (Effortlessly overpowered the Vanguard Action Squad Nomu, which has enough power to create this earthquake according to Magne)
Red Riot: Mountain level+ (Survived an attack from a Gigantomachia, who was strong enough to injure Mount Lady)
Cementoss: Mountain level+ (Can match Geten's power; their fight ended in a stalemate with both sustaining heavy injuries. Was able to weaken, yet not stop, the clash between Deku's 100% and Shoto's Flashfreeze Heatwave)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Fought Geten on equal grounds)
Nejire Chan: Mountain level+ (Seemingly harmed a Near High-End Nomu, which was stated to be just as strong as Hood. All For One complimented her Quirk alongside Half-Cold Half Hot, considering them both to be strong)
Lifting Strength: Class T (Pinned a Near High-End, who was stated to be just as strong as Hood)
Crust: Mountain level+ (Can harm High-End Nomu with his shields. Capable of blocking attacks from High-End Nomu)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Was able to react to the charge of a High-End Nomu, who is at least comparable to the USJ Nomu)
Lifting Strength: Class T (Able to hold back one of the Hospital High-End Nomu, though he was being slowly pushed back)
Best Jeanist: Mountain level+ (Can restrain multiple Near High-Ends that were stated to be just as strong as Hood) At most Mountain level+ (Survived a direct attack from All For One, though he was gravely injured and had to use his Quirk to sit up)
Lifting Strength: Class T (Can support the weight of the Tokyo Sky Egg. Was able to restrain the Near High-Ends, who were stated to be equal in strength to Hood)
Mirko: Mountain level+ (Can tear through the bodies of multiple High-End Nomu, which have comparable durability to Shigaraki) At most Mountain level+ (Was heavily injured when thrown by a High-End Nomu, despite canceling the impact with her legs)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Can react to the attacks of multiple High-End Nomu at once, who are each comparable to the USJ Nomu, though it became harder for her to land hits after they started to wake up. She was stated to be much faster than a transport plane flying at top speed)
Lifting Strength: Class T (Comparable to the Hospital High-Ends, and could rip off the head of one with her legs)
Star and Stripe: Mountain level+ (Can draw blood from Shigaraki with her punch)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Easily reacted to Shigaraki launching himself with Air Cannon and landed a direct hit on him)
Lifting Strength: Class T (Is physically comparable to All For One Shigaraki and was able to pin him down)
Nine: Mountain level+ (It took the combined power of both Deku and Dynamight to disperse his storm, and Deku stated that two One For Alls were needed in order to defeat him. Could hold off attacks from Full Cowl 100% Deku and Dynamight. Was stated to be able to destroy Nabu Island)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Can briefly keep up with Full Cowl 100% Deku and Dynamight, and was able to dodge their attacks)
Gigantomachia: Mountain level+ (Pulverized a mountain over a short period of time. Overpowered Mt. Lady while ignoring her, and smacked away Geten's ice with ease. Doctor Garaki considers Gigantomachia to be an even bigger threat than his Near High-Ends. Destroyed 20 cities on his way to Shigaraki)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (The Doctor considers him to be a bigger threat than his Near High-End. Gran Torino barely managed to escape from him)
Lifting Strength: Class T (Comparable to any other High-End at his strongest state. While tired and under the effects of medication, he broke out of Best Jeanist's Carbon Fiber after a fierce struggle)
Muscular: Mountain level+ (Clashed with a smash from Deku at 100%, who should only be somewhat weaker than in his fight with Nine)
Lifting Strength: Class T (Capable of pushing back against Deku's 100%)
Overhaul: Mountain level+ (Survived multiple hits from Deku using Full Cowl 100%)
Flect: At most Mountain level+ (Despite being easily overwhelmed, he could withstand numerous punches from 100% Full Cowl Deku, though he couldn't reflect back any of them, and was ultimately defeated by his United States of World Smash)
Leviathan: At most Mountain level+(Survived Shoto's Flashfire Fist, though it did knock him out)
Wolfram: Mountain level+ (Can injure Weakened All Might with his attacks)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Kept up with a weakened All Might and Deku simultaneously)
Lifting Strength: Class T Able to restrain All Might in some occasions. Capable of throwing a colossal metal cube at high speeds)
Lady Nagant: Mountain level+ (Can injure 45% Deku with her bullets. Can increase the size of her Rifle Arm, which increases the power of her shots. Can harm 45% Deku by hitting him in the stomach)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Capable of keeping up with 45% Deku, and dodged his Pinpoint Strike. Her bullets are able to outpace 45% Deku. Can increase the size of her Rifle, enhancing the speed of her bullets even further)
USJ Nomu: Mountain level+ (Was stated to be just as powerful as All Might and could harm him with its strikes)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Can keep up with weakened All Might)
Lifting Strength: Class T (Restrained weakened All Might)
Weakened All For One: Mountain level+ (Canceled out Endeavor's Hellflame with his Air Cannon Combination. Can take hits from All Might and even survived his United States of Smash, though he was knocked out)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Can keep up with All Might)
Lifting Strength: Class T (Can stop and hold back attacks from All Might)
Weakened All Might: Mountain level+ (Capable of canceling out All For One's Air Cannon combination while holding back. Exchanged dozens if not hundreds of blows with USJ Nomu, who is just as strong as him)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Has speed on par with 100% Deku)
Lifting Strength: Class T (Is capable of pushing back against this amount of force during his fight with Wolfram)
Lifting Strength: Class T (Is capable of pushing back against this amount of force during his fight with Wolfram)
All For One Shigaraki: Mountain level+ (As Dr. Garaki to be his masterpiece he should be superior to Nine. Broke Ryukyu's arms with a single punch. Capable of withstanding a barrage of Deku's 100% attacks, who is far stronger than he was during his fight with Nine, while his body was weakened and healing slower)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (As Doctor Garaki's masterpiece he should at least be as fast as Nine. Is just as quick as All Might and the USJ Nomu)
Lifting Strength: Class T (Stated to be comparable to All Might and the USJ Nomu)
High-Ends: Mountain level+ (Capable of taking hits from Star and Stripe alongside Shigaraki. As High-Ends they possess stats above the Upper-Tier Nomu, making them at least comparable to the USJ Nomu. A Near High-End survived the overwhelming power of the Intercontinental Punch)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Is at least comparable to the USJ Nomu)
Lifting Strength: Class T (Is at least comparable to the USJ Nomu)
Endeavor: Mountain level+ (Capable of harming High-End Nomu, who have comparable durability to Shigaraki. Withstood being thrown through buildings by a High-End Nomu, who is at least comparable to the USJ Nomu.)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Can react to All For One Shigaraki's attacks and kept pace with his jump, though he is somewhat slower than him)
Lifting Strength: Class T (Kept a High-End Nomu pinned to the floor, who threw Mirko at him to get him off. Was able to stop and hold All For One Shigaraki's wrist, who used an Air Cannon to knock him away. Can send a High-End Nomu flying with his Hellflame)
Ryukyu: Mountain level+ (Can dig her teeth and claws into a High-End Nomu. Survived Shigaraki punching Endeavor into her, though she was knocked out for a small amount of time. Withstood Deku's 100% shockwave from close range, who is much stronger than he was during his fight with Nine)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Was able to intercept Shigaraki, who was moving faster than normal)
Dabi: Mountain level+ (Hus Blueflame evenly clashed with Endeavor's Flashfire Fist. His own Flashfire Fist is confirmed to be greater than Endeavor's)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Capable of reacting to Endeavor's Flashfire Fist attacks, and evenly clashing with him)
Geten: Mountain level+ (Capable of evenly clashing with Dabi's Blueflame)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Can keep up with and react to Dabi's Blueflames)
Shoto: Mountain level+ (Able to use Flashfire attacks similar to Endeavor, was stated to have fire power on par with Endeavor. All For One complimented his Quirk along with Wave Motion, and consider them both to be strong)
Mt. Lady (Final Act Saga): Mountain level+ (Can take hits from Geten and break through his ice structures. Was capable of slowing down a charging Gigantomachia, something neither Dabi or Geten could do)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Capable of reacting to attacks from Geten)
Mt. Lady (U.A. Beginning Saga): Multi-City Block level (Effortlessly overpowered the Vanguard Action Squad Nomu, which has enough power to create this earthquake according to Magne)
Red Riot: Mountain level+ (Survived an attack from a Gigantomachia, who was strong enough to injure Mount Lady)
Cementoss: Mountain level+ (Can match Geten's power; their fight ended in a stalemate with both sustaining heavy injuries. Was able to weaken, yet not stop, the clash between Deku's 100% and Shoto's Flashfreeze Heatwave)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Fought Geten on equal grounds)
Nejire Chan: Mountain level+ (Seemingly harmed a Near High-End Nomu, which was stated to be just as strong as Hood. All For One complimented her Quirk alongside Half-Cold Half Hot, considering them both to be strong)
Lifting Strength: Class T (Pinned a Near High-End, who was stated to be just as strong as Hood)
Crust: Mountain level+ (Can harm High-End Nomu with his shields. Capable of blocking attacks from High-End Nomu)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Was able to react to the charge of a High-End Nomu, who is at least comparable to the USJ Nomu)
Lifting Strength: Class T (Able to hold back one of the Hospital High-End Nomu, though he was being slowly pushed back)
Best Jeanist: Mountain level+ (Can restrain multiple Near High-Ends that were stated to be just as strong as Hood) At most Mountain level+ (Survived a direct attack from All For One, though he was gravely injured and had to use his Quirk to sit up)
Lifting Strength: Class T (Can support the weight of the Tokyo Sky Egg. Was able to restrain the Near High-Ends, who were stated to be equal in strength to Hood)
Mirko: Mountain level+ (Can tear through the bodies of multiple High-End Nomu, which have comparable durability to Shigaraki) At most Mountain level+ (Was heavily injured when thrown by a High-End Nomu, despite canceling the impact with her legs)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Can react to the attacks of multiple High-End Nomu at once, who are each comparable to the USJ Nomu, though it became harder for her to land hits after they started to wake up. She was stated to be much faster than a transport plane flying at top speed)
Lifting Strength: Class T (Comparable to the Hospital High-Ends, and could rip off the head of one with her legs)
Star and Stripe: Mountain level+ (Can draw blood from Shigaraki with her punch)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Easily reacted to Shigaraki launching himself with Air Cannon and landed a direct hit on him)
Lifting Strength: Class T (Is physically comparable to All For One Shigaraki and was able to pin him down)
Nine: Mountain level+ (It took the combined power of both Deku and Dynamight to disperse his storm, and Deku stated that two One For Alls were needed in order to defeat him. Could hold off attacks from Full Cowl 100% Deku and Dynamight. Was stated to be able to destroy Nabu Island)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Can briefly keep up with Full Cowl 100% Deku and Dynamight, and was able to dodge their attacks)
Gigantomachia: Mountain level+ (Pulverized a mountain over a short period of time. Overpowered Mt. Lady while ignoring her, and smacked away Geten's ice with ease. Doctor Garaki considers Gigantomachia to be an even bigger threat than his Near High-Ends. Destroyed 20 cities on his way to Shigaraki)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (The Doctor considers him to be a bigger threat than his Near High-End. Gran Torino barely managed to escape from him)
Lifting Strength: Class T (Comparable to any other High-End at his strongest state. While tired and under the effects of medication, he broke out of Best Jeanist's Carbon Fiber after a fierce struggle)
Muscular: Mountain level+ (Clashed with a smash from Deku at 100%, who should only be somewhat weaker than in his fight with Nine)
Lifting Strength: Class T (Capable of pushing back against Deku's 100%)
Overhaul: Mountain level+ (Survived multiple hits from Deku using Full Cowl 100%)
Flect: At most Mountain level+ (Despite being easily overwhelmed, he could withstand numerous punches from 100% Full Cowl Deku, though he couldn't reflect back any of them, and was ultimately defeated by his United States of World Smash)
Leviathan: At most Mountain level+(Survived Shoto's Flashfire Fist, though it did knock him out)
Wolfram: Mountain level+ (Can injure Weakened All Might with his attacks)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Kept up with a weakened All Might and Deku simultaneously)
Lifting Strength: Class T Able to restrain All Might in some occasions. Capable of throwing a colossal metal cube at high speeds)
Lady Nagant: Mountain level+ (Can injure 45% Deku with her bullets. Can increase the size of her Rifle Arm, which increases the power of her shots. Can harm 45% Deku by hitting him in the stomach)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Capable of keeping up with 45% Deku, and dodged his Pinpoint Strike. Her bullets are able to outpace 45% Deku. Can increase the size of her Rifle, enhancing the speed of her bullets even further)
USJ Nomu: Mountain level+ (Was stated to be just as powerful as All Might and could harm him with its strikes)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Can keep up with weakened All Might)
Lifting Strength: Class T (Restrained weakened All Might)
Weakened All For One: Mountain level+ (Canceled out Endeavor's Hellflame with his Air Cannon Combination. Can take hits from All Might and even survived his United States of Smash, though he was knocked out)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Can keep up with All Might)
Lifting Strength: Class T (Can stop and hold back attacks from All Might)
Weakened All Might: Mountain level+ (Capable of canceling out All For One's Air Cannon combination while holding back. Exchanged dozens if not hundreds of blows with USJ Nomu, who is just as strong as him)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Has speed on par with 100% Deku)
Lifting Strength: Class T (Is capable of pushing back against this amount of force during his fight with Wolfram)
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one question, shouldn't Shoto receive MHS too? even because he was also able to follow dabi's attacks...or will he only receive this upgrade in his final act key?
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Only in the next CRT.
During the first war Dabi was holding back against him. He out speed Shoto's own attempt at Flashfire Fist, despite moving after he did, and knocked him out with one Jet Burn. While I don't fully believe Todoroki jumps super massively in the few months that passes.
We doesn't have enough to properly scale using just that battle. But next CRT he'll be scaling fully. The War Arc key will also be replaced with the Final Act Saga key.
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Not really okay with giving scaling based on that small little scene. Especially when Dabi is known to hold back against people like Hawks and Tokoyami later on.
Sure he's a clone but Dabi without a doubt could've made his blast a lot stronger. That's also why we aren't scaling Re-Destro to 7-A because of that either. Dabi's attack just wasn't anything close to what he was doing against Geten or Endeavor. His flames also didn't carry any impact either, just normal blue fire.
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When we get to the final battle stuff, since Edgeshot doesn't have scaling here. But that is a maybe or maybe not.
We don't know if he landed direct hits on Edgeshot or caught him with big AOE attacks.
Which is what he did to blow him away at first. We don't see the fight, but Re-Destro could just be tanky and have wide attacks.
At best Re-Destro could get a possibly MHS rating when that revision comes up.
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I deleted abilities and tier mentions regarding the Final Arc for the time being, since now Deku's Faux 100% is Mach 300, and added a note so people won't be adding new information.
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Not much changed aside from applying the speed and lifting strength revisions.
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Sorry if this is a slight diversion but noticed this on All Might's profile and in the sandbox:
It was never implied that All Might got a power boost in order to beat All For One; the reason he won is because he was unrelenting and continued to attack All For One even after being seriously injured. That doesn't mean that his Striking Strength got higher in order to beat him.
It was never implied that All Might got a power boost in order to beat All For One; the reason he won is because he was unrelenting and continued to attack All For One even after being seriously injured. That doesn't mean that his Striking Strength got higher in order to beat him.
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Ah yes, I removed it. Thank you for reminding me.
That all looks pretty good.
All Might likely was going Plus Ultra during his fight with Prime AFO in that moment, but I guess it isn't confirmed? We do know he is capable of drawing out power greater than his 100%, literally a catch phrase for the entire verse. I think the Plus Ultra higher should stay on there.
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I think it adds nothing to his prime key and should be removed. We're already upscaling him in his prime key - we don't need to say he can go higher than that. Especially when it's just for an off-screen fight as his justification.
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I mean he can go higher though, right? All Might can raise his power beyond 100%. Izuku even does it during his fight with Muscular.
Actually this Plus Ultra thing is likely just the body limiter thing mention way back in chapter 84.
What do you mean we don't need to say he can go higher? Maybe change the justification to something like. "Can raise his power beyond his limits" or whatever?
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I just don't like the "Plus Ultra" thing as being the sole reason. That's like saying every MHA character should have "higher with Plus Ultra" since going beyond your limits is a theme of the series.
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Not for everyone, just for people who actually show that they can do this during a fight.
And the series even gives an explanation on how this is possible. The body limiting it's power to 80% until especially dangerous situations.
I say it'd be weirder for Weakened All Might to have this while Prime All Might doesn't have it. Which implies only weakened All Might can go past his limits. There's no way Prime All Might can't do his own Plus Ultra moment.
