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Yeah, not sure what happened, but now we're debating between two ends: 62 megatons (31 for Deku and All Might) or 138 (I think; 69 for Deku and All Might) megatonsSo what was up with the 1 megaton end?
Did that get resolved?
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Yeah, not sure what happened, but now we're debating between two ends: 62 megatons (31 for Deku and All Might) or 138 (I think; 69 for Deku and All Might) megatonsSo what was up with the 1 megaton end?
Did that get resolved?
I agree with this. Hell maybe we’ll even get a better feat in the upcoming movie that will bring some consistency with these ratings.The answer is always to wait for more feats. I know people are usually impatient with this but more feats will come one way or another. All we gotta do is wait.
What makes it an inconsistency? And what's the problem besides "it's too strong for my liking"?Yeah no way in hell does using 100% full cowl justify a 200x boost. It’s wrong and doesn’t make sense for the boost to be that much higher than his regular 100%. Just saying it’s strictly superior doesn’t make it any less of an inconsistency within the series or scaling.
That you have no feats to support this. Atleast if the 7-A calc was right that wouldn’t be such an insane jump in strength. Nothing in the story suggests full cowl is that big of a boost… and you literally know it.What makes it an inconsistency? And what's the problem besides "it's too strong for my liking"?
I do not think that this is as bad as you are putting it.Yeah no way in hell does using 100% full cowl justify a 200x boost. It’s wrong and doesn’t make sense for the boost to be that much higher than his regular 100%. Just saying it’s strictly superior doesn’t make it any less of an inconsistency within the series or scaling.
I agree with this. Hell maybe we’ll even get a better feat in the upcoming movie that will bring some consistency with these ratings.
Who is saying to just throw it out?? I’m literally saying it would just be best to wait for more feats or Atleast the movie. Once again I’m going to ask what is exactly the rush here?I see little reason to just throw it out the window.
I cannot speak for other people except myself. I do not seek to rush a scaling revision (although it has been put on hold for like a month now and plenty of blood and tears had been shed in general discussion thread of MHA so I can say that there might be people who would push this), all I want is to speak my opinions, see other people's perspectives, synthesize them, and make new conclusions as a result. And, to make it more clear, never did I disagree with you that Full Cowling 100% needs more feats. If anything I WANT Midoriya to use it more so we can see more of such power for ourselves. Nonetheless we can make do with what we have and make discussions in the meantime.Who is saying to just throw it out?? I’m literally saying it would just be best to wait for more feats or Atleast the movie. Once again I’m going to ask what is exactly the rush here?
To have 99% of the verse to be 7-B or lower and 2 people 200x stronger than that is just not agreeable in my opinion. And it looks like other people/staff have the same opinion as me so Ik it’s not outlandish.
That is kind of how I feel. But I am no calc member so .After checking Earthyboy's calc, I believe my 153 gigatons calc is still more accurate, as Earthyboy only used the radius of the storm to calculate the speed of the dispersion, whereas my calc used the entire screen, as the storm disappears completely beyond the screen in that instant.
Earthyboy also measured the storm when it was smaller, while I measured it after it grew larger.
"A feat is a feat" you are implying outliers, hyperboles or exaggerations doesn't exist when it comes to feats. I'm not saying this is the case here. However, what's wrong with waiting for more feats to confirm it's consistency? You know, AEONs, you are completely misunderstanding our points. We are not dismissing this feat for being too strong (I could care less if they get upgraded or downgraded, I care about the consistency.) We are precisely waiting for more feats to be on a safer side rather than getting too impatient because of one feat that can potentially affect the scaling chain and multiple characters, etc etc without a legitimate justification other than "it's stronger than 100%", how much stronger exactly? is it a 2x, a 10x or a 50x? Upgrading them from 7-B to 6-C via Full Cowl is literally a 50x, which i don't recall was ever established to be a 50x multipler in the first place unless I'm missing something. Let's take Super Saiyan 1 for example, this transformation has been established very early on to be a 50x multipler, but what about Full Cowl? can you provide me a source that suggests it to be a 50x multipler.Yes, the feat itself was ridiculous, plain and simple but at the same time it does not affect MHA scaling as seriously as you are implying. The Island level feat was only accomplished due do Katsuma who reinforced Deku and Bakugo and made it possible for them to do it. If he did not exist, neither would the 6-C feat. Of course it was ridiculous that Deku would get a 200x power boost or some shit like with Eri. It is not at all like Izuku could just spam this power willy-nilly on his own (he'd die, obviously.) A feat's a feat, in essence, and was appropriately explained. I see little reason to just throw it out the window.
I'm pretty sure Air Pressure being ridiculously weaker than actual hits isn't something anyone is debating?Y’know. Why not just bring up Deku training at 20%?
With “full cowling 20%”, he kicks and sends out air pressure that rustles the leaves. Then he does 20% air flicks and it products pretty much the exact same effect, just slightly smaller in scale.
There’s also the fact All Might is practically using Full Cowling at all times, yet Deku’s normal 100% punches are generally shown to be just as strong regardless. I don’t see the logic in implying Deku’s OFA having multiplied in power within /one/ year.
So air pressure is the same? What does that have to do with the heroes rising feat? You're just saying they scale above the actual calc of the feat since it was done with air pressure.But the feat is about a Full Cowling Air Pressure feat, isn’t it? That’s what the Heroes Rising feat is. The point is: finger flicks from Deku were creating similar air pressure to Full Cowling Deku when at the same %
45% is nowhere close to weakened All Might level, but a’ight. Maybe “calc wise” but definitely not lore wise. This is why Shigaraki, who’s “as strong as All Might”, had literally no trouble with him until he was using 100%.
I don't understand your air pressure point right now. No duh air pressure is the same. It's just far weaker than actual hits. I don't quite get what you're trying to say.Yes, air pressure is the same, especially when it’s being shown as a specific technique which he is practicing to use, and is a major part of the strength of OFA. Problems?
45% caught up to Shigaraki? Sure, but we don’t know the timeframe of when he began running and Shigaraki wasn’t going all out either. He restrained a /weakening/ Shigaraki, and a casual elbow made him vomit blood. He didn’t need to “keep up” with him in the air because he was spamming 100% regardless, and Shigaraki says “it’s over if I don’t focus on defence!”
Nothing 45% has ever done comes even relatively close to something like when Kamino All Might, at his WEAKEST, clashed with AFO’s ultimate quirk combination and created a shockwave which dwarfed the buildings and city block around it.
Ah, you're trying to use Air Pressure to say full cowl and no cowl are the exact same strength. That's simply incorrect, as different body parts produce higher amounts of air pressure at 100%.The point is that FULL COWLING KICK AIR PRESSURE and ONLY IN THE FINGERS AIR PRESSURE had pretty much the /exact/ same result. The full cowling kick wasn’t 200x more powerful.
He was still weakening, and Deku barely, if straight up does not, scale to him. A casual elbow made him vomit blood. If you punched someone in the stomach that is equal in strength to you, or simply half your strength, that wouldn’t happen. At least, not in the capacity that Deku vomited in.
I thought Deku was using 100% in his legs as well? To fly around at massive speed and also cancel out his own momentum so he doesn’t fly away. “Deku’s using his legs and Air Force to negate the blowback“, as Bakugo put it. Deku’s using 100% all over the place, and also yanking him around with Blackwhip, and Shigaraki is focusing on DEFENCE.
That simply means that feat is >>>>> those characters. It’s almost like All Might and AFO are, gasp, the toppest tiers and no one ever in the lore has ever been stated to be on their level, and it’s only this single site that says otherwise due to one statement from someone on the bad guy’s side.
I am so sorry for you.This debate is getting heated, sorry for derailing (my last comment in this thread for now)
No shit, the strongest feat in the series doesn’t have feats like it. That’s how calcs work, it’s of the strongest feats you find. Your argument is yet another one of incredulity, and if your only reasoning is that it’s a big jump (especially when it doesn’t actually cause scaling issues), well that is nowhere near enough to start trying to call “outlier!”That you have no feats to support this. Atleast if the 7-A calc was right that wouldn’t be such an insane jump in strength. Nothing in the story suggests full cowl is that big of a boost… and you literally know it.
Can we stop the bs claims that people think oh Deku too strong so it’s wrong. Literally just strawmaning.
What’s the issue in waiting for the movie or other feats that can be used as support. Why do we need to have it right now what is the rush.
What is your argument, then? Because to me it sounds like the issue is “too strong.” If it’s about not having other feats like this, again that’s how calcs in general often work. You’re getting the strongest feats you find because you’re not always gonna have someone casually throwing around 6-C feats.…. Can we stop screaming the ******* argument of incredulity. I swear to god it’s like if Deku had a 3-A feat y’all still wouldn’t call it an outlier.
If your just going to continue to strawman me. I’m not replying all your getting from my arguments is “Deku did a feat to strong so it’s wrong”
Couldn’t have said it better dawgzIt’s about full cowl being a 200x boost to justify it not being an outlier. No way can you honestly believe full cowl has been portrayed as that big of a boost.
so you honestly want me to believe full cowl boosts Deku so much he can go from performing 7-B feats to 6-C feats bc it’s portrayed as superior to regular 100% yeah I just don’t agree with that logic the boost is not portrayed as being sooooo significantly stronger than regular 100%
It would be a different story if we had more supporting feats or a better justification for the jump in power.
Didn’t u know? people nowadays just want upgrades instead of accuracy…. Can we stop screaming the ******* argument of incredulity. I swear to god it’s like if Deku had a 3-A feat y’all still wouldn’t call it an outlier.
If your just going to continue to strawman me. I’m not replying all your getting from my arguments is “Deku did a feat to strong so it’s wrong”
Again, the issue isn't just "number is too big/too strong" this feat is coming from an unquantifiable multipler, whose true strength is still unknown for the knowledgeable people and passionate fans who actively read the manga, to make the situation more confusing the only 6-C feat is from a canon movie, not from the Anime and the Manga, so we can confirm the consistency of the 6-C feat, because that's the reason why most feats in general are rejected or dismissed in the first place, you don't need to bring up other verses to justify this.Well not that I agree with 6-C but this is a real thing and it's a lame reason to deny an upgrade(appeal to incredulity), considering the majority of verses on the wiki scale characters from 1 or 2 feats that would statistically be above everything in the verse, hell we have right now popular verses that jump from tier 6 to tier 5 and even tier 3 yet going from a Mid tier 7 to low tier 6 is insanity, and the argument saying "YOU BELIEVE IN SUCH LE LARGE MULTIPLIER" is garbage" because your arbitrary enforcing rules onto a series that doesn't care about Multipliers outside of giving the Audience vague numbers to Visualize power levels, because if this is the scale you want to use your going to have a hard time justifying anyone.
Good thing my comment never addressed this and was talking specifically about the appeal to incredulity, I even go as far as to say that I don't agree with the 6-C upgrade.Again, the issue isn't just "number is too big/too strong" this feat is coming from an unquantifiable multipler, whose true strength is still unknown for the knowledgeable people and passionate fans who actively read the manga, to make the situation more confusing the only 6-C feat is from a canon movie, not from the Anime and the Manga, so we can confirm the consistency of the 6-C feat, because that's the reason why most feats in general are rejected or dismissed in the first place, you don't need to bring up other verses to justify this.
The thing here is, most of us would have been fine with it if we knew from the beginning that Full Cowl 100% is a 50x multipler or it was established very early on. accepted aka how it always works here.
Allow me to clarify one thing, I don't care if they get upgraded or downgraded, but I'd they upgraded simply because "But the others verses did the same!!" Sorry I really have to disagree with that.