My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

[57Dev]

Would azmuth like Deku?

Yes and no. The heroism and selflessness ? Yes. The recklessness and no killing rule ? no. Azmuth is very logical, he would find the extreme no killing rule as a nuisance. Especially when enitre planets are on the line.

Yes Ben spares a lot of his enemies too but those are enemies than can be easily contained or are just a joke to him by late OG. Like Dr Animo or all the mercs in Undertown. Vilgax keeps returning but not because of lack of effort on Ben's part. When Ben is facing a threat that needs to disappear, he will make it go.

And well Ben's confidence (sometimes crossing into arrogance) keeps empires in check. Izuku doesn't have the spine to make threats like that much less hold them up.

Although he is much better at following rules. So I guess that's a plus.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Yes and no. The heroism and selflessness ? Yes. The recklessness and no killing rule ? no. Azmuth is very logical, he would find the extreme no killing rule as a nuisance. Especially when enitre planets are on the line.

Yes Ben spares a lot of his enemies too but those are enemies than can be easily contained or are just a joke to him by late OG. Like Dr Animo or all the mercs in Undertown. Vilgax keeps returning but not because of lack of effort on Ben's part. When Ben is facing a threat that needs to disappear, he will make it go.

And well Ben's confidence (sometimes crossing into arrogance) keeps empires in check. Izuku doesn't have the spine to make threats like that much less hold them up.

Although he is much better at following rules. So I guess that's a plus.

Why would Deku spare vilgax dude’s destroyed 5 planets before and once committed genocide on a multiversal+ scale

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

I feel like Deku though he’d feel pain and empathy about malware if he learned how malware was created

That said I feel like he’d be like Ben and azmuth willing to kill him because yeah he’s tragic but there’s really no way to fix him at that point

 

[Spinoirr]

Why would Deku spare vilgax dude’s destroyed 5 planets before and once committed genocide on a multiversal+ scale

Yeah

"Izuku also possesses an empathetic side and has developed a desire to want to understand the Villains he has faced, and potentially save them from themselves. While initially believing Tomura to be a madman who just wants to meaninglessly hurt others, after learning about his tragic history and sensing the pain in his heart through their connection between One For All and All For One, this re-invigorates his belief that a great Hero is someone who saves others, not kills, and because of this, desires to learn how they became villains and see if there is any way to prevent a fight, though he does concede he very well may have to kill Tomura. While he is not naïve in this ideology and will resort to violence if there is no other option, like during his second fight with Muscular, he truly wishes to reach out and help villains recover and reform themselves, even giving Kai Chisaki (whom he was still bitter towards) the chance to save his boss should he make amends with Eri. At the same time, Izuku desires to save Tomura from his life of villainy and pain, even when such a notion feels unlikely and is deemed pretentious by others, showcasing his great sense of humanity."

Izuku Midoriya

Overview Gallery Synopsis Relationships Izuku Midoriya (緑 (みどり) 谷 (や) 出 (いず) 久 (く) , Midoriya Izuku?), also known as Deku (デク, Deku?), is the main protagonist of the My Hero Academia manga and anime series. Even though Izuku was born Quirkless, he manages to catch the attention of the legendary...

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[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Yeah

"Izuku also possesses an empathetic side and has developed a desire to want to understand the Villains he has faced, and potentially save them from themselves. While initially believing Tomura to be a madman who just wants to meaninglessly hurt others, after learning about his tragic history and sensing the pain in his heart through their connection between One For All and All For One, this re-invigorates his belief that a great Hero is someone who saves others, not kills, and because of this, desires to learn how they became villains and see if there is any way to prevent a fight, though he does concede he very well may have to kill Tomura. While he is not naïve in this ideology and will resort to violence if there is no other option, like during his second fight with Muscular, he truly wishes to reach out and help villains recover and reform themselves, even giving Kai Chisaki (whom he was still bitter towards) the chance to save his boss should he make amends with Eri. At the same time, Izuku desires to save Tomura from his life of villainy and pain, even when such a notion feels unlikely and is deemed pretentious by others, showcasing his great sense of humanity."

Izuku Midoriya

Overview Gallery Synopsis Relationships Izuku Midoriya (緑 (みどり) 谷 (や) 出 (いず) 久 (く) , Midoriya Izuku?), also known as Deku (デク, Deku?), is the main protagonist of the My Hero Academia manga and anime series. Even though Izuku was born Quirkless, he manages to catch the attention of the legendary...

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I mean I can understand malware

But vilgax nah nah

I remember his backstory’s and it was nothing tragic he was already a bad egg even before the whole omnitrix thing

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Vilgax may very well be crossing the line for Deku since he felt absolutely nothing when AFO died like Deku didn’t even give him a second thought and smashed his soul.

 

[Papusupreme]

New calc isn't linked in the verse page btw and I'm not touching that.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Vilgax may very well be crossing the line for Deku since he felt absolutely nothing when AFO died like Deku didn’t even give him a second thought and smashed his soul.

Deku getting the omnitrix makes me interesting in an AU

Where the omnitrix landed in japan instead of The US

Though they would need to seriously downgrade the power levels for the aliens since most of them would probably wipe out all the villains and heroes who would want to duel with midoriya in the arena. Whole bunch of other can of worms and stuff deku’s got to watch out for

 

[SlendVeny]

Why would Deku spare vilgax dude’s destroyed 5 planets before and once committed genocide on a multiversal+ scale

Vilgax is basically Doctor Doom. He just REALLY hates Ben, his people consider him a great ruler.

 

[Spinoirr]

Vilgax may very well be crossing the line for Deku since he felt absolutely nothing when AFO died like Deku didn’t even give him a second thought and smashed his soul.

Also Ben would try to reason with albedo and learn of what his device is ment for and let him return himself to normal, unlike Ben who blindly believed someone else about what he was doing and his rash action led to albedo not turning to normal again

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Vilgax is basically Doctor Doom. He just REALLY hates Ben, his people consider him a great ruler.

Not really he doesn’t actually care about them he’s just being a great ruler for pragmatic reasons.

And it’s not just Ben he hates pretty much everyone it’s why almost no one is willing to work for him and why he uses droids and robots for his minions.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Deku getting the omnitrix makes me interesting in an AU

Where the omnitrix landed in japan instead of The US

Though they would need to seriously downgrade the power levels for the aliens since most of them would probably wipe out all the villains and heroes who would want to duel with midoriya in the arena. Whole bunch of other can of worms and stuff deku’s got to watch out for

I’ve seen some fanfics like that just look up omnitrix Deku online and you’ll get some

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

I’ve seen some fanfics like that just look up omnitrix Deku online and you’ll get some

I know

Off-topic but there was also another Japanese character who got the omnitrix instead of Deku.

 

[RidleyX]

What is this I'm hearing about Deku being able to move so fast that he can plow through time stops?

 

[CloverDragon03]

Aww, Eri's a Berserk fan...

I was thinking Final Fantasy 7 tbh

 

[SuperStar]

What is this I'm hearing about Deku being able to move so fast that he can plow through time stops?

Infinite speed feat I’ll drop the crt later today.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Infinite speed feat I’ll drop the crt later today.

Damn he gonna blitz a lot of people

 

[CloverDragon03]

Infinite speed feat I’ll drop the crt later today.

We won't be there

 

[Danny33wise]

Honestly need to see round 2 of shigaraki vs boros but I feel the match is gonna be one sided if shigaraki should in anyway almost equal boros in stat.

As for deku time speed I've already seen people claiming death battle should redo deku vs asta because deku would blitz and stomp him now.

 

[Heoj]

saw the discussion about kaminari small city level with the ua thing, was thinking whether he was fighting twice clones since we know momo was fighting them and we usually see momo and kaminari together towards the end.

could support better stamina for kaminari


edit: i remember at least he charged momos railgun at the end, and when everyone pulled up avengers endgame style through portals, kaminari was in a sort of half conscious, half dumb dumb state

 

[57Dev]

I was wondering, if Aizawa realized about Todoroki holding back his fire side before Deku, would he expel him for it ? I don't think a no nonsense kind of hero like Aizawa would just let it slide that one of his student is not using his powers out of spite in a job where innocent lives are at stake.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Number 6 was, like, a perfected Nomu before the perfected Nomu, Tomura.
And before the Nomu.
Why exactly did All For One cease activity of the Villain Factory?

 

[SlendVeny]

Number 6 was, like, a perfected Nomu before the perfected Nomu, Tomura.
And before the Nomu.
Why exactly did All For One cease activity of the Villain Factory?

1. Number 6 and Koichi were stated to be "beyond the shining light" and "beyond the singularity" by AFO, and he didn't even understand what was going on.
2. He'd been found out and connected to the scheme, and multiple dealers were arrested.
3. Kuin wasn't there anymore.
4. Number 6 was the one in charge of it.
5. The goal was to create a being that can rival or surpass All Might, and he created Shigaraki for that purpose.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Number 6 was, like, a perfected Nomu before the perfected Nomu, Tomura.
And before the Nomu.
Why exactly did All For One cease activity of the Villain Factory?

Villain Factory was just a name for Number 6's activities, AFO did not cease anything. Same as the League of Villains, it was name for Tomura not AFO. Even if the name stuck.

It "stopped" because Number 6 died. And he still used the research from Number 6 into his Nomu project, which eventually lead to both Nine and Tomura's operation. Number 6 and Nine are likely considered to be part of the same set as well, though it's not confirmed.

Number 6 clearly had the AFO vestige inside of him as well. Which implies that AFO can implant his vestige into other Quirks or people, without passing his own Quirk on. Which is something I find very interesting, even if it's unrelated.

 

[Spinoirr]

 

[Nullflowerblush]

1. Number 6 and Koichi were stated to be "beyond the shining light" and "beyond the singularity" by AFO, and he didn't even understand what was going on.

Clearly, what he and Garaki did for Number 6 aided in pushing Number 6 beyond the point of singularity.
Rewriting Number 6's biology and replacing normal tissues with Bomber Cells…

• …bypassed the natural bodily Quirk restrictions, allowing for a total of five Quirks—only one less than the High-End Hood;
• …enabled a degree of shapeshifting which rivaled the likes of the Nomu's Muscle Augmentation, Transforming Arms, Liquification, and Storage;
• …and granted enhanced physical abilities rivalling the likes of Knuckleduster and Octoid, whose own abilities are Pro Hero-level.

3. Kuin wasn't there anymore.

Kuin only distributed Trigger and then studied the effects. Evidently, though, given the various specimens All For One would later acquire in the pursuit of mass-producing Nomu after her death, her role was relatively insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

4. Number 6 was the one in charge of it.

Number 6 is allowed "to act as [he sees] fit", but the operations are spearheaded by All For One—part of his agenda to surpass All Might. He provided Number 6 with his Quirk, his identity and mentor figure, and his resources, like the Bombers and the headquarters of the factory itself.

5. The goal was to create a being that can rival or surpass All Might, and he created Shigaraki for that purpose.

The point is: he had a perfect framework for the Nomu and then completely disregarded said foundation and started from the top again? Like, Kurogiri was an intelligent Nomu, Number 6 and Gigantomachia were effectively perfected Nomu, and Hood had been completed and actively in-testing during All Might's Silver Age. And his key takeaway from all of his previously relatively successful projects was to create mindless brutes with weaker stats and fewer Quirks?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Clearly, what he and Garaki did for Number 6 aided in pushing Number 6 beyond the point of singularity.
Rewriting Number 6's biology and replacing normal tissues with Bomber Cells…

• …bypassed the natural bodily Quirk restrictions, allowing for a total of five Quirks—only one less than the High-End Hood;
• …enabled a degree of shapeshifting which rivaled the likes of the Nomu's Muscle Augmentation, Transforming Arms, Liquification, and Storage;
• …and granted enhanced physical abilities rivalling the likes of Knuckleduster and Octoid, whose own abilities are Pro Hero-level.

Kuin only distributed Trigger and then studied the effects. Evidently, though, given the various specimens All For One would later acquire in the pursuit of mass-producing Nomu after her death, her role was relatively insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

Number 6 is allowed "to act as [he sees] fit", but the operations are spearheaded by All For One—part of his agenda to surpass All Might. He provided Number 6 with his Quirk, his identity and mentor figure, and his resources, like the Bombers and the headquarters of the factory itself.

The point is: he had a perfect framework for the Nomu and then completely disregarded said foundation and started from the top again? Like, Kurogiri was an intelligent Nomu, Number 6 and Gigantomachia were effectively perfected Nomu, and Hood had been completed and actively in-testing during All Might's Silver Age. And his key takeaway from all of his previously relatively successful projects was to create mindless brutes with weaker stats and fewer Quirks?

The way I see it was that it was just a retcon.

 

[TheRustyOne]

The point is: he had a perfect framework for the Nomu and then completely disregarded said foundation and started from the top again? Like, Kurogiri was an intelligent Nomu, Number 6 and Gigantomachia were effectively perfected Nomu, and Hood had been completed and actively in-testing during All Might's Silver Age. And his key takeaway from all of his previously relatively successful projects was to create mindless brutes with weaker stats and fewer Quirks?

Gigantomachia was not modified in the slightest, he's just built different.

Number 6 is not as modified as a Nomu nor was Kurogiri. The issue with brain power doesn't only comes from extra Quirks but making them strong enough to match All Might without Quirks. This is essential to their plan, because AFO/Tomura could not handle OFA if their "hardware" was strong enough to take advantage of the software.

Nomu was a project not just for an army, but to improve All For One. Nine is special, I wouldn't be surprise if Number 6 was special also. These aren't normal people, he can't make more Number 6 and Nine with anyone else. Hood wasn't a Nomu at that point, he was some random villain who was given extra Quirks so they can test with.

He wasn't complete because they didn't really have a goal for him at that point. He'd be adapted into the Nomu project later after AFO saw how much of a failure he was. You're completely misunderstand what their plan actually is, and your statement here makes it clear. None of them are perfect in the slightest, they're just the first step.

Nomu far surpass Number 6, with even the weakest of them overpowering some of the strongest Pro Heroes around. Their stats without Quirks are superior to Number 6 by a large margin. The Nomu in general are meant to be a mindless army that could overpower even All Might.

They also needed obedience and Number 6 was not loyal to AFO at all, he was loyal to himself.

Nomu was a combo of multiple projects, it's not just a singular thing. Kurogiri is also super weak as all hell, he has zero modifications to be strong.

 

[57Dev]

Strong drawings and impacts frames but not much movement. The impact frames reminded me of Boros kicking Saitama to the moon. The ghosting and diming is such a pain in the ass. I would say Season 6 fajin looked way better than Gearshift.

But yeah I think I am ready to give up on getting any good flowy Sakuga this season. Let's see how they made gearshift look in the movies. I can only hope that the nest season is just 13 episode and not treated like shit.

So can anyone make any new calcs for Anime version ?

 

[Oreo166]

I just remembered, during the fight with Muscular, Izuku was noted to have temporarily removed his natural limiters, suppressing his body's ability to 80%, for a prolonged period of time—hysterical strength—and have been operating "far beyond" even 100% at the time. Could his 1,000,000% Delaware Detroit Smash possibly be given a Small Country level rating based off of that extra 20+%?

Late to this (also haven’t seen all the replies yet, so sorry if someone’s already mentioned this), but doesn’t this also qualify Deku for having “Plus Ultra”? Not to mention, we seem him stating to do so in the 3rd movie against Flect Turn.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Late to this (also haven’t seen all the replies yet, so sorry if someone’s already mentioned this), but doesn’t this also qualify Deku for having “Plus Ultra”? Not to mention, we seem him stating to do so in the 3rd movie against Flect Turn.

Will be brought up in a future CRT.

 

[57Dev]

No dimming

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Episode was pretty good, but didn't blow my mind away, but still very good

 

[Dalesean027]

Yeah I enjoyed this one a lot but the actual gear shifting scene where punches shigaraki into the air itself coulda been a bit better and I wish they kinda went with that warping affect the manga had when talking about gearshift affecting the world otherwise that's just minor stuff and overall it was a pretty nice episode

 

[IcyFrost12]

After watching the episode, how fast can Deku accelerate himself with Gearshift? Since Kudo was talking about "ignoring the laws of physics" and "warping reality, I'm kinda wondering if that would be a good speed buff for Deku. Considering the fact that he's like, rela? Using Gearshift on top of his already existing speed seems like it would grant him Rela+/LS travel speed. Does this make any sense?

 

[Papusupreme]

After watching the episode, how fast can Deku accelerate himself with Gearshift? Since Kudo was talking about "ignoring the laws of physics" and "warping reality, I'm kinda wondering if that would be a good speed buff for Deku. Considering the fact that he's like, rela? Using Gearshift on top of his already existing speed seems like it would grant him Rela+/LS travel speed. Does this make any sense?

He's already FTL so

 

[IcyFrost12]

He's already FTL so

Hm, Kudo mentions how Deku is kinda like, unbound by physics, but since he's specifically warping reality, I'd assume Deku is probably moving light speed, or close to it. I don't really think Deku hits FTL atm. I haven't seen any good calcs for it yet.

 

[Papusupreme]

Sure. I'm just saying that's how his Gearshift is rated.

 

[IcyFrost12]

Sure. I'm just saying that's how his Gearshift is rated.

Ohh

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Episode was pretty good, but didn't blow my mind away, but still very good

The frames and overall effects were really good but the animation could have been better along with featuring more movement at certain points.