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Mostly it's about the main character's, love interest, you know the one with a Decade worth of Build up.
Shonen fans romance standards really be in the gutter if Ochako and Deku's romance counts as 10 years worth of buildup. both had like 4 moments that boil down to having a crush , getting embarrassed and then supporting one another like the rest of the cast does anyway. spread across 400 chapters and 10 years. Also what do you guys expect Ochako to do, have her final appearance in the manga be entirely revolved around dating Deku, should she be married with kids despite only being 25 and her profession being that of a hero?. MHA isnt a romance story and the romance that did appear in the story is juvenile and entirely aimed at middle schoolers, im happy Horikoshi decided to end Ochako's with her being a pro hero and helping people like Himiko as oppose to be a reward for the main character. im sure we will get spin offs and sequels and what not that confirm Deku and Ochako are together but Horikoshi isnt under any obligation to reward shippers if he doesnt want to.
Nah bro we gotta wait for the anime to end tooWhen the final chapter drops then we can make CRT right?
Disagree on how you perceive the buildup, and more importantly, it's mad reductive to claim it's about Ochako being some kinda "reward" for the MC. That's legit never what this was about
He made the ship dumbass. He wrote Ochako's feelings in the story. It's not a reward for shippers making head canon, its the conclusion of a plot thread left hanging. A plot thread written by Horikoshi. He is in complete obligation to finish what he started. It's called writing.Shonen fans romance standards really be in the gutter if Ochako and Deku's romance counts as 10 years worth of buildup. both had like 4 moments that boil down to having a crush , getting embarrassed and then supporting one another like the rest of the cast does anyway. spread across 400 chapters and 10 years. Also what do you guys expect Ochako to do, have her final appearance in the manga be entirely revolved around dating Deku, should she be married with kids despite only being 25 and her profession being that of a hero?. MHA isnt a romance story and the romance that did appear in the story is juvenile and entirely aimed at middle schoolers, im happy Horikoshi decided to end Ochako's story in the manga with her being a pro hero and helping people like Himiko as oppose to being a reward for the main character. im sure we will get spin offs and sequels and what not that confirm Deku and Ochako are together but Horikoshi isnt under any obligation to reward shippers if he doesnt want to.
Should have wrote more and better interactions. Don't see how that's supposed to be the audiences problem.its not reductive because thats what a lot of this all boils down to, most of the complaints are entirely focused on Deku not getting the girl at the end of the story. also if you feel those moments were powerful enough to justify Deku and Ochako being together thats perfectly fine and all but objectively speaking the amount of screen time thats actually dedicated to Ochako and Deku as potential romantic partners is so minimal and spread out that i will never be able to take the position that this has 10 years worth of build up seriously (Deku has had more screen time with his hospital bed than with ochako), its at best scattered moments that elude to a ship. its no better than most of the bare minimun male and female interaction and crushes that most shonen fall do to justify some end game romance.
its not reductive because thats what a lot of this all boils down to, most of the complaints are entirely focused on Deku not getting the girl at the end of the story. also if you feel those moments were powerful enough to justify Deku and Ochako being together thats perfectly fine and all but objectively speaking the amount of screen time thats actually dedicated to Ochako and Deku as potential romantic partners is so minimal and spread out that i will never be able to take the position that this has 10 years worth of build up seriously (Deku has had more screen time with his hospital bed than with ochako), its at best scattered moments that elude to a ship. its no better than most of the bare minimun male and female interaction and crushes that most shonen fall do to justify some end game romance.
I think Shonen is more focused on strong friendships.I mean it's not like it's the world's biggest deal, but it would've been nice. I just don't get why shonen mangaka do this where they build these relationships up and then do nothing with them. Like, why bother with it at that point? That's far from a Horikoshi problem
I like when, say, One Piece knows that it doesn't actually care about the romance and as a result doesn't even entertain it. If you're gonna put romance in, commit to it. Otherwise, don't bother. That's my viewI think Shonen is more focused on strong friendships.
characters are not caricatures they can have feelings without those feelings being entirely engineered to be pivotal plot point.He made the ship dumbass. He wrote Ochako's feelings in the story.
Ochako getting together with Deku isnt a plot thread, you should learn what a plot thread is. because it requires having an actual plot not expressing your feelings once or twice and then concluding in an epilogue. Ochako's feelings for Deku is a character trait that informs how she thinks and how she acts in certain situations. those feeling being setup doesnt mean they need to resolve in a way that works out for the characters.It's not a reward for shippers making head canon, its the conclusion of a plot thread left hanging. A plot thread written by Horikoshi. He is in complete obligation to finish what he started. It's called writing.
thats not what build up is.10 years as in not 10 years worth of content, but 10 years worth of wait.
No im asking you what you want out of the final chapter that does the bare minimum for its romance. and no my standard isnt in the gutter because i dont come to action series aimed at young boys for its romance.If you think a ship is all about ending it on a time skip marriage with kids, then your standard of romance is the gutter. You show a childs grasp of romance and what it means.
and thats my point, I believe that would be a waste of time to not only Ochako's character but to the story itself, because unlike you I dont buy into the whole 10 years worth of romantic build up for me to think that this would be good writing.All it takes is 4 panels of the timeskip board to show them hugging each other, moving in a few years later and a few photos with each other and that's it, that's the closure to the plot threat.
It doesnt have to have good romance because its not attempting to tell a romantic story versus having a lot of romantic writing but being bad at itIt doesn't have to be a romance story to have good romance writing.
that has awful romance what are you talking aboutThe Spectacular Spiderman series (although that ended mid way so we never got to see where it goes),
Romance is pivotal plot point to these stories thats a false equivalenceSuperman and Lois.
Superhero isnt a demographic or a genre, you can have superhero stories that are entirely romance focusedThese are all Superhero stories, yet tell a compelling romance story in a few moments.
If your take away from the 5 min intro of Up is that its a well written romance story then your entirely missing the point of that scene, its to establish Carl's relationship with his wife, to inform of us of the type of character he is at the start of the movie,his motivation going forward and to put the audience in his shoes, because most of us can empathize with the feeling of losing a loved one. if Carl and Ellie's scene was a dedicated romantic subplot then it wouldn't be good or organic.Best Example ? Up. It only takes a 5 minute intro of a adventure movie to make use live out Carl and Ellie's life and love.
I never said this, i have no idea how you can read all that, how i say that the lack of meaningful build and screen time dedicated to the romantic subplot makes the romantic payoff worthless and come to the conclusion that i think Ochako's romantic interest is a major part of all her decisions.How can you admit that Ochako's romantic interest in Izuku was a pretty important part of her character
I never saidand was a major factor in her decisions
its not about expecting its about not caring because the setup for her payoff isnt good, and id rather the payoff be on the aspects of her character that do have significantly more setup.but then also say that you didn't expect any real payoff? It makes no sense to me.