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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

57Dev said:
Mostly it's about the main character's, love interest, you know the one with a Decade worth of Build up.
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Shonen fans romance standards really be in the gutter if Ochako and Deku's romance counts as 10 years worth of buildup. both had like 4 moments that boil down to having a crush , getting embarrassed and then supporting one another like the rest of the cast does anyway. spread across 400 chapters and 10 years. Also what do you guys expect Ochako to do, have her final appearance in the manga be entirely revolved around dating Deku, should she be married with kids despite only being 25 and her profession being that of a hero?. MHA isnt a romance story and the romance that did appear in the story is juvenile and entirely aimed at middle schoolers, im happy Horikoshi decided to end Ochako's story in the manga with her being a pro hero and helping people like Himiko as oppose to being a reward for the main character. im sure we will get spin offs and sequels and what not that confirm Deku and Ochako are together but Horikoshi isnt under any obligation to reward shippers if he doesnt want to.
 
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Not sure how ready I am for this.

Don't know why I didn't considered Izuku to become a U.A. teacher. It's nice to see Kota as a U.A. Student.

Mount Lady lives!!!

The double page spread of everything through out the years is great. Izuku returning to see his mom, Mirko now having three prosthetics, kid Kota apparently going to or coming home from school with Eri is stupidly cute, Aizawa and Present Mic paying their respects, Melissa coming to Japan, our Class A graduating with Bakugo being way too extra, and the final nail in the coffin of Izuku being powerless. The copium wasn't strong enough.
Eight years have passed. Grown up Hatsume... that's nice.

Also, interesting to see the Dai kid from the beginning of the All-Out War arc appear. Nice change of pace from chapter 1 where everyone wanted to be a Hero, now the kids are more interested in other career paths instead. Gentle and La Brava starting up some programming business is great to see.

Shoji working to help fight against mutant discrimination in smaller cities, Uraraka starting up a more enhanced Quirk Counseling project is perfect knowing Toga's backstory. Eri being in some kind of music club, and apparently her horn went back to normal as it's fully grown.

To the surprise of no one, Bakugo struggles to maintain his ranking due to his... personality. I wonder how Aizawa feels having to work alongside his "problem student".

Shoto has completely grown past his family ties, though he never came up with a different hero name. I guess it fits him in away, since it's the truest version of himself. Mirio is the Number 1 Hero like Aizawa believed he'd be, and it's probably what Nighteye saw as well.

And once again it's no surprise to see Izuku finds it difficult to be strict with his students, so yeah Aizawa still having to reprimand him all these years later. Seems like a common problem since Cementoss also couldn't win against his students either.

Okay, Izuku meeting Dai was extremely well done. They play it straight like he's going to just encourage him right there, but of course he has to nerd out about Dai's Quirk and it's applications. But he manages to get it out in the end, just give him a minute to shoot out all of that nonsense as All Might would say.

Izuku is still tiny, he's barely taller than Dai who's a Junior High kid.

All Might crushing the ending page is great, also this man is now in his mid sixties at this point, and the light is still in his eyes. He's got a surprise for Izuku, made in the USA and secretly funded by Class A, with Bakugo spear heading it all.

Why does All Might keep calling Melissa a friend from the USA? I know it's Melissa and not Dave because Hatsume made it alongside her. And I didn't considered the Armor All Might idea to be brought up again for Izuku to use later. With Melissa and Hatsume taking the data from All Might's fight against AFO.

Final shot is all of Class A together, with Aoyama, all in their Hero Costume ready to respond to some trouble. And their designs look almost identical to what we saw when Endeavor was about to roast AFO, so Horikoshi was indeed giving us a sneak peak of the future.
God, I don't know what to say right now. Got into My Hero back when Season 3 first aired, though I'd be aware of it since it first came out with everyone calling Izuku Green Naruto. To be honest I didn't really think nothing about it at that point, and obviously I wasn't aware how much my life would be impacted by it.

The first episode really hooked me into the series. It was the first anime I watched that made me instantly read up on the manga after finishing the current Season. To be honest I wouldn't be able to appreciate manga like I do now without MHA. I've read more manga than anime at this point. It's also the only series I've read alongside my family, as we don't usually share hobbies. It was nice for us to wait for MHA chapters week by week and share in the despair of having to wait extra weeks for breaks.

I truly appreciate everything Horikoshi has done with this series, it's been a positive influence on my life that I only regret being unable to experience again.

There will be more MHA news in the future. Volume 42 is the last volume coming in December 4th, A fan book in January 2025, Art Book in April 2025, a special exhibition in 2025, and finally some secret project on August 5th. Just a few more days away.

Not sure what Horikoshi has planned, it could be anything from a new series (Horror at last?), a MHA spin-off series, ect. I wish him well on whatever path he chooses.

I hope the man gets everything he deserves, as just like with Izuku, he's done more than enough to earn it.
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
Shonen fans romance standards really be in the gutter if Ochako and Deku's romance counts as 10 years worth of buildup. both had like 4 moments that boil down to having a crush , getting embarrassed and then supporting one another like the rest of the cast does anyway. spread across 400 chapters and 10 years. Also what do you guys expect Ochako to do, have her final appearance in the manga be entirely revolved around dating Deku, should she be married with kids despite only being 25 and her profession being that of a hero?. MHA isnt a romance story and the romance that did appear in the story is juvenile and entirely aimed at middle schoolers, im happy Horikoshi decided to end Ochako's with her being a pro hero and helping people like Himiko as oppose to be a reward for the main character. im sure we will get spin offs and sequels and what not that confirm Deku and Ochako are together but Horikoshi isnt under any obligation to reward shippers if he doesnt want to.
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Disagree on how you perceive the buildup, and more importantly, it's mad reductive to claim it's about Ochako being some kinda "reward" for the MC. That's legit never what this was about
 
CloverDragon03 said:
Disagree on how you perceive the buildup, and more importantly, it's mad reductive to claim it's about Ochako being some kinda "reward" for the MC. That's legit never what this was about
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its not reductive because thats what a lot of this all boils down to, most of the complaints are entirely focused on Deku not getting the girl at the end of the story. also if you feel those moments were powerful enough to justify Deku and Ochako being together thats perfectly fine and all but objectively speaking the amount of screen time thats actually dedicated to Ochako and Deku as potential romantic partners is so minimal and spread out that i will never be able to take the position that this has 10 years worth of build up seriously (Deku has had more screen time with his hospital bed than with ochako), its at best scattered moments that elude to a ship. its no better than most of the bare minimun male and female interaction and crushes that most shonen fall do to justify some end game romance.
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
Shonen fans romance standards really be in the gutter if Ochako and Deku's romance counts as 10 years worth of buildup. both had like 4 moments that boil down to having a crush , getting embarrassed and then supporting one another like the rest of the cast does anyway. spread across 400 chapters and 10 years. Also what do you guys expect Ochako to do, have her final appearance in the manga be entirely revolved around dating Deku, should she be married with kids despite only being 25 and her profession being that of a hero?. MHA isnt a romance story and the romance that did appear in the story is juvenile and entirely aimed at middle schoolers, im happy Horikoshi decided to end Ochako's story in the manga with her being a pro hero and helping people like Himiko as oppose to being a reward for the main character. im sure we will get spin offs and sequels and what not that confirm Deku and Ochako are together but Horikoshi isnt under any obligation to reward shippers if he doesnt want to.
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He made the ship dumbass. He wrote Ochako's feelings in the story. It's not a reward for shippers making head canon, its the conclusion of a plot thread left hanging. A plot thread written by Horikoshi. He is in complete obligation to finish what he started. It's called writing.

10 years as in not 10 years worth of content, but 10 years worth of wait. If you think a ship is all about ending it on a time skip marriage with kids, then your standard of romance is the gutter. You show a childs grasp of romance and what it means.

All it takes is 4 panels of the timeskip board to show them hugging each other, moving in a few years later and a few photos with each other and that's it, that's the closure to the plot threat.

It doesn't have to be a romance story to have good romance writing. The Amazing Spiderman 1, The Spectacular Spiderman series (although that ended mid way so we never got to see where it goes), Batman the mask of Phantasm, Death of Superman, Superman and Lois. These are all Superhero stories, yet tell a compelling romance story in a few moments.

Best Example ? Up. It only takes a 5 minute intro of a adventure movie to make use live out Carl and Ellie's life and love.

I you can't be bothered to finish it, then don't bother writing the start of it.
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
its not reductive because thats what a lot of this all boils down to, most of the complaints are entirely focused on Deku not getting the girl at the end of the story. also if you feel those moments were powerful enough to justify Deku and Ochako being together thats perfectly fine and all but objectively speaking the amount of screen time thats actually dedicated to Ochako and Deku as potential romantic partners is so minimal and spread out that i will never be able to take the position that this has 10 years worth of build up seriously (Deku has had more screen time with his hospital bed than with ochako), its at best scattered moments that elude to a ship. its no better than most of the bare minimun male and female interaction and crushes that most shonen fall do to justify some end game romance.
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Should have wrote more and better interactions. Don't see how that's supposed to be the audiences problem.
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
its not reductive because thats what a lot of this all boils down to, most of the complaints are entirely focused on Deku not getting the girl at the end of the story. also if you feel those moments were powerful enough to justify Deku and Ochako being together thats perfectly fine and all but objectively speaking the amount of screen time thats actually dedicated to Ochako and Deku as potential romantic partners is so minimal and spread out that i will never be able to take the position that this has 10 years worth of build up seriously (Deku has had more screen time with his hospital bed than with ochako), its at best scattered moments that elude to a ship. its no better than most of the bare minimun male and female interaction and crushes that most shonen fall do to justify some end game romance.
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Those complaints about "Deku not getting the girl" are those people's problem, but objectively speaking, that's not what this is about. It's about a mutualistic relationship where both of them are clearly supporting each other and making each other better. A relationship I would've loved to see fully come into fruition, yet instead, I feel Horikoshi dropped the ball on that front.
 
I don't have much of a horse in this race, I am the most casual MHA fan you could possibly imagine. But a bog standard common place high school romance is not really a major plot thread that's obligated to be finished. Sure it'd be cool to see something come of it but given that they don't particularly have a lot of interactions it always came across like it was meant to be a normal teenage crush kinda thing instead of a proper romance story that ends with them being together into adulthood.

I di have my gripes with the ending overall but quite frankly couldn't care less about a ship not ending with them together at the end.

Edit: sorry didn't realise the spoiler tag wasn't selected my bad
 
I mean it's not like it's the world's biggest deal, but it would've been nice. I just don't get why shonen mangaka do this where they build these relationships up and then do nothing with them. Like, why bother with it at that point? That's far from a Horikoshi problem
 
CloverDragon03 said:
I mean it's not like it's the world's biggest deal, but it would've been nice. I just don't get why shonen mangaka do this where they build these relationships up and then do nothing with them. Like, why bother with it at that point? That's far from a Horikoshi problem
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I think Shonen is more focused on strong friendships.
 
57Dev said:
He made the ship dumbass. He wrote Ochako's feelings in the story.
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characters are not caricatures they can have feelings without those feelings being entirely engineered to be pivotal plot point.
57Dev said:
It's not a reward for shippers making head canon, its the conclusion of a plot thread left hanging. A plot thread written by Horikoshi. He is in complete obligation to finish what he started. It's called writing.
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Ochako getting together with Deku isnt a plot thread, you should learn what a plot thread is. because it requires having an actual plot not expressing your feelings once or twice and then concluding in an epilogue. Ochako's feelings for Deku is a character trait that informs how she thinks and how she acts in certain situations. those feeling being setup doesnt mean they need to resolve in a way that works out for the characters.
57Dev said:
10 years as in not 10 years worth of content, but 10 years worth of wait.
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thats not what build up is.

build up is the accumulation of something over a period of time, the key word being accumulation, the point is that I dont think there isn't enough actual content that was accumulated to justify " buildup for 10 years". if you wanna say you waited 10 years for Ochako and Deku to be together be my guest.
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57Dev said:
If you think a ship is all about ending it on a time skip marriage with kids, then your standard of romance is the gutter. You show a childs grasp of romance and what it means.
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No im asking you what you want out of the final chapter that does the bare minimum for its romance. and no my standard isnt in the gutter because i dont come to action series aimed at young boys for its romance.
57Dev said:
All it takes is 4 panels of the timeskip board to show them hugging each other, moving in a few years later and a few photos with each other and that's it, that's the closure to the plot threat.
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and thats my point, I believe that would be a waste of time to not only Ochako's character but to the story itself, because unlike you I dont buy into the whole 10 years worth of romantic build up for me to think that this would be good writing.
57Dev said:
It doesn't have to be a romance story to have good romance writing.
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It doesnt have to have good romance because its not attempting to tell a romantic story versus having a lot of romantic writing but being bad at it
57Dev said:
The Spectacular Spiderman series (although that ended mid way so we never got to see where it goes),
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that has awful romance what are you talking about
57Dev said:
Superman and Lois.
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Romance is pivotal plot point to these stories thats a false equivalence
57Dev said:
These are all Superhero stories, yet tell a compelling romance story in a few moments.
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Superhero isnt a demographic or a genre, you can have superhero stories that are entirely romance focused
57Dev said:
Best Example ? Up. It only takes a 5 minute intro of a adventure movie to make use live out Carl and Ellie's life and love.
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If your take away from the 5 min intro of Up is that its a well written romance story then your entirely missing the point of that scene, its to establish Carl's relationship with his wife, to inform us of the type of character he is at the start of the movie,his motivation going forward and to put the audience in his shoes, because most of us can empathize with the feeling of losing a loved one. if Carl and Ellie's scene was a dedicated romantic subplot then it wouldn't be good or organic.
 
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Reading all of this honestly makes me realize how low people's bars are in terms of quality.

How can you admit that Ochako's romantic interest in Izuku was a pretty important part of her character and was a major factor in her decisions but then also say that you didn't expect any real payoff? It makes no sense to me.
 
In any case its very clear
yall care far more about Ochako X Deku than i do so we can leave it there
 
Kachon123 said:
How can you admit that Ochako's romantic interest in Izuku was a pretty important part of her character
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I never said this, i have no idea how you can read all that, how i say that the lack of meaningful build and screen time dedicated to the romantic subplot makes the romantic payoff worthless and come to the conclusion that i think Ochako's romantic interest is a major part of all her decisions.
Kachon123 said:
and was a major factor in her decisions
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I never said
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but then also say that you didn't expect any real payoff? It makes no sense to me.
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its not about expecting its about not caring because the setup for her payoff isnt good, and id rather the payoff be on the aspects of her character that do have significantly more setup.
 
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Kachon123 said:
How can you admit that Ochako's romantic interest in Izuku was a pretty important part of her character and was a major factor in her decisions but then also say that you didn't expect any real payoff? It makes no sense to me.
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It wasn't. Their mutual respect for each other as heroes was way more important and relevant than the mutual high-school crush that did not drive nearly as much as people think.
 
ok yk, after getting more information the ending is good, phew

i tought deku lost OFA and just didn't become a hero while keeping minimal contact with his friends, and this chap made me think that perhaps i treated the baku deku ships a little too harshly

nvm, good ending besides the fact that ochako and deku aren't a couple
i feel better now
 
SlendVeny said:
It wasn't. Their mutual respect for each other as heroes was way more important and relevant than the mutual high-school crush that did not drive nearly as much as people think.
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I'm sorry, but Ochaco coming to terms with her feelings and not hiding them anymore was literally one of the biggest parts of her character. So that combined with all the interactions they've had where they've shown interest for each other, it makes no sense that we didn't even see a confession of any sort. This is not about her being a reward for Deku or them getting married at 25 (which would not be weird if it happened), it's just about them actually acknowledging their feelings in some way. Ochaco is much more than just the MC's love interest i agree, I've never said otherwise, but her feelings need to be addressed. It is a part of her character and you can't just ignore it. That's really my only complaint though.
 
Yeah I’m be real here. I’d give this a 6/10 ending. It’s mostly for the fact that the Deku and Uraraka moment went up in flames even though it was being built up for those 10 years and not knowing where tf Deku’s dad is
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
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So what you are saying is that it's not your cup of tea so others shouldn't have any expectations either ? First of all, **** you.

I have made 3 posts pointing out how bad the setup is and how romance writing in shonen is mostly horrible. Never said that's it's some perfect setup. But it is a setup nonetheless. Which is left hanging.

Characters have feelings, yeah. So where did those feelings disappear too again ? Pretty sure romance was pivotal to Toga and Ochako's plot.

It's bad writing, dick ride all your want.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
I mean knowing all that I'm still pissed that our decade of build up for Izuku and Ochako was thrown out the window for no reason.
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I do wish it was more concrete but you do see ochaco and deku alone together in one of the panels. I wouldn't be surprised if it's more clear in a movie or a short side story about his time as a hero with the suit.
 
On a completely different note, when we finally get around to adding everything after the series ends (Manga and Anime), what are we gonna do about Izuku's new suit?
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
On a completely different note, when we finally get around to adding everything after the series ends (Manga and Anime), what are we gonna do about Izuku's new suit?
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Well you can make a lot of assumptions about it. The tier should at least be what All Might had with his. Sadly the abilities might be unknown. That's why I hope this next announcement project is a short story or light novel about pre time skip era MHA. If nothing else you could just set it at unknown.
 
57Dev said:
So what you are saying is that it's not your cup of tea so others shouldn't have any expectations either ? First of all, **** you.
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your the one that quoted my original thoughts on the chapter, so dont shift the burden onto me just because i refuse to agree with you.
57Dev said:
I have made 3 posts pointing out how bad the setup is and how romance writing in shonen is mostly horrible. Never said that's it's some perfect setup. But it is a setup nonetheless. Which is left hanging.
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and I explained already why id rather have the final chapter in the story focus on the parts about Ochako that isnt tied to a lackluster romantic setup
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Characters have feelings, yeah. So where did those feelings disappear too again ?
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ochako's entire character isnt solely defined by her crush on deku
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Pretty sure romance was pivotal to Toga and Ochako's plot.
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IF you actually think the entire point of the toga and ochako plotline is about about whether or not Ochako likes Deku, talk about missing the forest for the trees.

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57Dev said:
It's bad writing, dick ride all your want.
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It would be bad writing regardless, so id rather them focus on the stuff that isnt .

funny how im the ********** for pointing out how i think none of the "buildup" is worth being called buildup but okay.
you do you.
 
Gitagon said:
Boruto definitely messed things up. Sasuke ended up a pure deadbeat. Naruto became one of those absent fathers that is only about work.
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Both improve as fathers later on.
Gitagon said:
Some stuff like Naruto's promise to Pain about the Rain village were completely ignored. And don't even get me started on how Naruto is treated in Boruto.
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There’s literally peace between all the villages in the Shinobi world by the time Boruto happens.
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
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Pretty sure you were replying to someone before me.

When the **** did I say that the plot should be exclusuly focusing around romance. I guess I was unaware of the rule that you have to be single to achieve your dreams. Oh wait, you ******* don't.

Ochako's feelings towards Deku are a major part of her personality and character. It's the equivalent of saying that Vegeta's rivarly with Goku isn't important. It is, it is what shapes his personality.

Again all I am saying, don't write the start if you can't be bothered to finish it. Unfinished plot line is way worse than a medicore / bad one.

Toga and Ochako have heavy elements of romance mixed in with " I want to save everyone." Hell that Romance is what separates there rivalry from the rest because every hero student wants to "save everyone" in UA, that's not special or exclusive to Ochako.

Learn the difference between Pivotal and "Entire"

You are entitled to your opinion even if you are wrong and I don't a flying **** about it. All I have seen you do is twist the words of anyone critizing you into "Enitre" and "Complete' trying to make it look like we want to reduce her to just the Romantic interest.

You know, there are more panels of Ochako blushing over Deku that you posted of her "Saving" motivation. But I truly don't give a **** because you are going to drag it to eternity and I don't have time to waste on this.
 
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