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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

AFO puts Explosion below Hellflame and Darkshadow in terms of lethality. This basically confirms these 2 as the strongest below OFA/AFO.

Bakugo can go even faster by focusing his explosions at the points where his body feels the most pain. He feels that he can catch up to and even surpass Izuku.

Also AFO's mad dash this chapter confirms he wasn't using his full speed any time before this moment. He is still slower than Bakugo but still pretty fast himself.

Deku can't deal with Shigaraki due to the Decay + Regeneration + superhuman body. He is hanging on in the fight through Danger Sense.

Deku activates Gear Shift for the 3rd time and basically this time it will have even more serious effects on his body. He won't be able to use it again. So I guess his limit is 3 times a day for Gear Shift use and each time he can use it for 5 minutes max though that time may decrease with each subsequent activation.
 
RIP 6-B Bakugo, but it might be cause he’s not using his evolved Quirk to its fullest yet, as he has to master timing to get the strongest explosions. Truly shows how built different Endeavor and Tokoyami were. The upgrade still makes him stronger but not to a crazy degree.

This means we can give Iron Might a definitive High 6-C rating since he could damage this AFO who can endure Bakugo’s hits.

Despite his pain he’s laughing and that panel where he blasts AFO from inside a building while they’re both moving at top speed is cool. The idea of focusing on where he hurts the most and getting stronger explosions from it is pretty badass.

That 3-time Gearshift limit is way better as a weakness than the supposed one-time we were working with. Also the knowledge that he can use it on others will make its versatility in battles way higher. Deku seems to be using Fa Jin in his fingers, so enhanced Air Force incoming?

2nd user name reveal and AFO might actually stop running and try to fight now that his angers taking over. Excited to see how Bakugo masters his new ability and wins the day.
 
It might be the Bakugo fan in me but part of me feels like AFO is just chatting about his power. But that is kinda cope. Either way I think once he gets the hang of like living again (lol) he'll end Fraud for One finally
 
I think people misunderstand why Hellflame and Prominence Burn are that dangerous in the first place. It's because it ignores durability and regeneration by vaporizing the target with ridiculous heat. However, the target has to be forced to endure the heat over time for this to occur, as seen against Hood, Shigaraki, and AFO and was stated by Endeavor, Hawks', and the heroes' plan. Regular singular/instant attacks from and by Hellflame do not pose this threat, as seen repeatedly. It's not the quirk itself being superior, it's a specific move under specific circumstances.

This obviously brings into question how to treat an attack over time versus instant attacks, but it is what it is.
 
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Mazdoesstuff said:
This chapter pretty much debunks Deku being superior to Shigaraki
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Did anyone really think this? Deku isn't even at 100% OFA yet. At most the only thing he has over Shiggy is speed/reactions due to Danger Sense & Gear Shift but even Gear Shift is heavily limited by stamina.
 
Gitagon said:
Did anyone really think this? Deku isn't even at 100% OFA yet. At most the only thing he has over Shiggy is speed/reactions due to Danger Sense & Gear Shift but even Gear Shift is heavily limited by stamina.
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Yeah idk where the idea would come from. Gearshift Deku is superior to Quirkless Mutating Shigaraki.
Now that Shigaraki has access to all his Quirks he's basically the strongest entity in the series. Just that we haven't seen them fight due to how the story decided to focus on the other battles all this time.
 
Gitagon said:
Did anyone really think this? Deku isn't even at 100% OFA yet. At most the only thing he has over Shiggy is speed/reactions due to Danger Sense & Gear Shift but even Gear Shift is heavily limited by stamina.
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Saw on TikTok people tried using the panels of Deku restraining Shigaraki to argue his superiority in strength
 
Onelixy said:
I think people misunderstand why Hellflame and Prominence Burn are that dangerous in the first place. It's because it ignores durability and regeneration by vaporizing the target with ridiculous heat. However, the target has to be forced to endure the heat over time for this to occur, as seen against Hood, Shigaraki, and AFO and was stated by Endeavor, Hawks', and the heroes' plan. Regular singular/instant attacks from and by Hellflame do not pose this threat, as seen repeatedly. It's not the quirk itself being superior, it's a specific move under specific circumstances.

This obviously brings into question how to treat an attack over time versus instant attacks, but it is what it is.
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I don't think afo was talking prominence burn when he claim hell flame being superior to explosion.

Endeavour was doing well against afo even without using prominence burn. I think you are underestimating the blunt force that the todoroki's attacks carries because I certainly don't believe that you believe all the todoroki's attacks require their target to stay inside it for a short period of time before it badly damages their opponent's, if this where true then I believe people like ending would be dead by just tanking a hit from shoto.

Don't also forget the fact that afo has complimented shoto quirk twice despite him still seeing the capability of explosion, afo made an effort on dabi and I don't believe even horikoshi even believe explosions being to hell flame.
 
Gitagon said:
People are finally seeing the light about Lightspeed Aoyama.
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Controversial take but I agree with the OP a bit lol. In a lot of powerscaling circles (especially here) this burden for anything FTL is extremely onerous, and more often than not comes from this idea that in fiction FTL should be this great achievement similar to how it would be in real life. (It is not) I think these types of views are also why a lot of systems have to be revised so frequently, because of the fact that some standards genuinely aren't reasonable. (Also incredulity being a major factor because there's noooo way a lot of people could react to it!11!11!)
 
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Unfortunately yeah, it's common for FTL to be in Fiction but not accepted because it's supposed to be an achievement to some people (Hell even this wiki has discussions on if a verse is even FTL acceptable)

Anyways seeing as we require Rusty's cooking to do any upgrades in this thread, has Rusty been back in the kitchen?
 
Even if Hori himself retroactively states that everyone in MHA is FTL, it doesn't make how MHA statistics are seen prior as wrong, even if we consider Aoyama's laser to be light speed, because of the fact that every other feat in the story does not indicate anything near light speed, let alone FTL.

In fact, due to the hierarchy of importance in media in powerscaling context, it's more prudent to disregard WoG in cases like that.
 
I’m gonna be perfectly honest,

I don’t get why powerscalers can’t wrap their minds around light attacks just traveling slower than light speed in some fictional verses. Like mfers can accept lightning being able to go FTL but can’t wrap their minds around a laser beam being slower than light speed.

Like if you’re able to suspend your disbelief enough to accept a character being able to go faster than light despite what physics says then I think I can suspend my disbelief enough to accept a beam of light traveling slower than the speed of light despite what physics says.
 
Maitreya said:
I’m gonna be perfectly honest,

I don’t get why powerscalers can’t wrap their minds around light attacks just traveling slower than light speed in some fictional verses. Like mfers can accept lightning being able to go FTL but can’t wrap their minds around a laser beam being slower than light speed.

Like if you’re able to suspend your disbelief enough to accept a character being able to go faster than light despite what physics says then I think I can suspend my disbelief enough to accept a beam of light traveling slower than the speed of light despite what physics says.
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Firstly calm down. Secondly, you can literally say this about any position ever. Like any. Also no one is saying what you're saying. Like literally everything in powerscaling you can have your own interpretation, and no one is going to jump on you for it presumably. You will be okay. I can already see this discussion leaning towards being toxic so I'll just reply and leave it at that.
 
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Metalballrun said:
Even if Hori himself retroactively states that everyone in MHA is FTL, it doesn't make how MHA statistics are seen prior as wrong, even if we consider Aoyama's laser to be light speed, because of the fact that every other feat in the story does not indicate anything near light speed, let alone FTL.

In fact, due to the hierarchy of importance in media in powerscaling context, it's more prudent to disregard WoG in cases like that.
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A major problem with that idea in the first place is that it presupposes some sort of objective criteria to view powerscaling. And I am not sure what you mean by "no other feat indicates lightspeed", because if you say that Aoyama could hypothetically be viewed as having a lightspeed laser, then why does there need to several non-related feats further with lights? No one is claiming that how they were seen before is "wrong" because powerscaling is inherently not objective. Nothing can change that. If you're going to argue outliers and such, it'd be your burden to explain why an "outlier"(which in this case it wouldn't be) would just have to be dismissed. And the WoG stuff is a whole other thing. Also let me make it clear before anyone replies, I am not going to attempt to get MHA to FTL or whatever on VSBW, because of the discussion rule and the fact that I don't care enough to. I simply brought up how funny the standards of FTL are in context in MHA. That is all. Also topic change time wooo
 
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Good stuff all around, great to see this. We see all of the battlefields and I just have one question... Why is Lady Nagant still laying on that building? I thought Rock Lock helped her get up there but she's just been laying there all alone. Someone come pick this woman up before she gets an infection or something.

Confirmation that Bakugo's peak speed does surpass Shigaraki, he just needs to figure out how to do that consistently. Shigaraki has also been reverting mentally, he started scratching his neck again, and his speech bubbles have been wobbly lately. He's trying to play it cool but he's really pissed off.

Bakugo looks great here, a nice visual on how his full body explosions works. Bakugo is improving as he understand more and more about his new ability.

To be clear, AFO's statement won't hold Bakugo IF concrete scaling comes out that places him higher. AFO is panicking right now and his sentence is kind of phrased weird. He says Bakugo's not as strong as Endeavor or Dark Shadow, not even close to All Might. Excluding DS, that should be the other way around right?

Since this implies not being close to All Might is worse than not being as strong as Endeavor? Maybe the official translation will clean that sentence up.

Regardless, Bakugo catches up to AFO and proceeds to hit the ground and start tumbling due to the fact he's too fast for himself. And I believe this is one of the best scenes in this series. Bakugo being seen through the window is really cool, man has zero care that he just smashed straight through a building.

Real confirmation in universe that Bakugo looks like the Second User. Also, I feel like my thoughts from long ago was right. Seems like AFO, in his quest to get Yoichi backed from the Second User, accidentally killed him. Which is why he was crying in that flashback, because Yoichi was dead.

Second User stated that AFO killed Yoichi, and Bakugo making him angry is reminding him of what is likely the worst day of his life. However, I daresay what happens today will surpass whatever he felt back then. Also, fitting that AFO can't accept the blame for killing his brother and just puts all of it on the Second User.

Kudo is his name apparently, meaning we don't need to keep calling him Second User. Bakugo calling himself Kacchan is just as weird as his smile in the last chapter. But it's also funny considering he has zero idea what the hell AFO is going on about.

Another high quality chapter.
 
If you mean that powerscaling is not objective but subjective then sure, my subjective take is that MHA is subsonic at best.
End of story.
Goodbye. Thank you for coming.
No, you can't change my mind. Powerscaling is not objective.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Good stuff all around, great to see this. We see all of the battlefields and I just have one question... Why is Lady Nagant still laying on that building? I thought Rock Lock helped her get up there but she's just been laying there all alone. Someone come pick this woman up before she gets an infection or something.

Confirmation that Bakugo's peak speed does surpass Shigaraki, he just needs to figure out how to do that consistently. Shigaraki has also been reverting mentally, he started scratching his neck again, and his speech bubbles have been wobbly lately. He's trying to play it cool but he's really pissed off.

Bakugo looks great here, a nice visual on how his full body explosions works. Bakugo is improving as he understand more and more about his new ability.

To be clear, AFO's statement won't hold Bakugo IF concrete scaling comes out that places him higher. AFO is panicking right now and his sentence is kind of phrased weird. He says Bakugo's not as strong as Endeavor or Dark Shadow, not even close to All Might. Excluding DS, that should be the other way around right?

Since this implies not being close to All Might is worse than not being as strong as Endeavor? Maybe the official translation will clean that sentence up.

Regardless, Bakugo catches up to AFO and proceeds to hit the ground and start tumbling due to the fact he's too fast for himself. And I believe this is one of the best scenes in this series. Bakugo being seen through the window is really cool, man has zero care that he just smashed straight through a building.

Real confirmation in universe that Bakugo looks like the Second User. Also, I feel like my thoughts from long ago was right. Seems like AFO, in his quest to get Yoichi backed from the Second User, accidentally killed him. Which is why he was crying in that flashback, because Yoichi was dead.

Second User stated that AFO killed Yoichi, and Bakugo making him angry is reminding him of what is likely the worst day of his life. However, I daresay what happens today will surpass whatever he felt back then. Also, fitting that AFO can't accept the blame for killing his brother and just puts all of it on the Second User.

Kudo is his name apparently, meaning we don't need to keep calling him Second User. Bakugo calling himself Kacchan is just as weird as his smile in the last chapter. But it's also funny considering he has zero idea what the hell AFO is going on about.

Another high quality chapter.
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Agreed, the visuals of this chapter were insanely good and Bakugo has never looked cooler. The timing of his explosions is probably what will unlock his peak explosions.

Also I find it funny that… AFO hates Kudo.

Like, really and truly, Kudo is the person that AFO hates above anything else. That makes this fight so funny, cause he’s faced with the living embodiment of that same person.

Kudo started OFA, he’s the one that inspiring Yoichi to break free, he’s the one that the flames first passed to and AFO’s first, true roadblock. A “pebble” that made him lose his brother, the person that resulted in the creation of All Might and now Deku.

AFO’s true beef, his most hated person, has been Kudo this whole time, so for Bakugo to take that guys place means AFO is having PTSD of the guy that took a part of him away he couldn’t get back.

Bakugo really is AFO’s perfect final boss. Someone who doesn’t know his history, doesn’t care about his status, and is doing his damndest to keep him away from his goal; away from his brother. The spitting image of the person who he hates so much he suppressed the memory. The person he blames for everything.
 
Grand_Astartes said:
Firstly calm down. Secondly, you can literally say this about any position ever. Like any. Also no one is saying what you're saying. Like literally everything in powerscaling you can have your own interpretation, and no one is going to jump on you for it presumably. You will be okay. I can already see this discussion leaning towards being toxic so I'll just reply and leave it at that.
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Calm down? What lol? I think you might’ve read my message in a tone of voice that it didn’t have because I have no idea what you mean here. I didn’t say someone should jump on you for having a different interpretation or whatever, I’m just pointing out how like you can suspend your disbelief in regards to a beam of light being slower than the speed of light in the same way you’re able to suspend your disbelief for a lightning bolt being able to travel faster than light.

It’s fiction, it can work like that, but people are more keenly accepting of the fact that things can go faster than what nature says in fiction, but not so accepting over the idea of something going slower than how nature says it should be.
 
I mean we have a rule discussion on Aoyamas laser being light speed so there's no point in arguing since they will never change that in here. But all I'll say is that it's undeniably light, and any argument against that is just ignorant and wrong. The question is if light is light speed, which I personally believe that light moves at the speed of light but it seems like that's a bit too controversial.

The real reason Aoyamas laser is not counted as light speed is because of consistency. There's like a few anifeats early in the series and that's enough to disregard it.
 
Maitreya said:
I’m gonna be perfectly honest,

I don’t get why powerscalers can’t wrap their minds around light attacks just traveling slower than light speed in some fictional verses. Like mfers can accept lightning being able to go FTL but can’t wrap their minds around a laser beam being slower than light speed.

Like if you’re able to suspend your disbelief enough to accept a character being able to go faster than light despite what physics says then I think I can suspend my disbelief enough to accept a beam of light traveling slower than the speed of light despite what physics says.
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You speak the truth.
 
Also is anyone watching MCU Loki? The man went from struggling with some street level thugs (they were barely supersoldier level) last season to basically a
Multiversal time manipulator and reality warper in season 2.

So basically anything is possible. Sometimes at the end, writers might decide to just go balls-to-the-wall with the scaling and include all kinds of crazy shit.
 
Metalballrun said:
If you mean that powerscaling is not objective but subjective then sure, my subjective take is that MHA is subsonic at best.
End of story.
Goodbye. Thank you for coming.
No, you can't change my mind. Powerscaling is not objective.
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Wanted to end the convo there but literally yes no one is saying you cannot hold this view lmao. If this was supposed to be some jab at me saying it isn't objective then ??? okay?
 
Maitreya said:
Calm down? What lol? I think you might’ve read my message in a tone of voice that it didn’t have because I have no idea what you mean here. I didn’t say someone should jump on you for having a different interpretation or whatever, I’m just pointing out how like you can suspend your disbelief in regards to a beam of light being slower than the speed of light in the same way you’re able to suspend your disbelief for a lightning bolt being able to travel faster than light.

It’s fiction, it can work like that, but people are more keenly accepting of the fact that things can go faster than what nature says in fiction, but not so accepting over the idea of something going slower than how nature says it should be.
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You misunderstand my message. I didn't say anyone would jump on me for having a different interpretation. And I already said you literally can do that. I said calm down because your comment of how "powerscalers cannot wrap their minds" around it being slower than light seemed snide, but if it was not your intention then I apologize for my interpretation of that. Like I have said already several times, you can literally hold that view, because my goal isn't to debate anyone here on it and much less is it my goal to convince anyone here of it possibly moving at lightspeed. I don't see this conversation being productive at all or ending in good faith, so again I'll leave it at that.
 
Metalballrun said:
Whem someone tells someone who is clearly calm to "calm down" that can be perceived as having the intent to incite someone to not be calm.

So yeah let's not do that here.
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With that same token, do you not think that saying "So yeah let's not do that here", "I lost braincells" etc. cannot incite the same level of response? I apologize for saying calm down, because I interpreted his message as hostile, but if I am not allowed to have that interpretation and apologize then why are you allowed to imply the things you have lol. Again, this won't lead anywhere good and I'd much rather not type all this out over something that already has a discussion rule and is a clearly controversial topic.
 
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