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Extreme lowball tbhApparently someone scaled Toga at continental
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Extreme lowball tbhApparently someone scaled Toga at continental
Planetary at minimum honestlyExtreme lowball tbh
Shigaraki can destroy the world so sounds about rightPlanetary at minimum honestly
Don’t talk to me about it. Made me sick to my stomach, JJK scalers truly are a different breed.Yall seen the ridiculous JJK upgrades?
hol up I wanna see this gimme a secYall seen the ridiculous JJK upgrades?
Get off the internet ASAP, it's a landmine fieldPlease remember that this is the MHA General Discussion Thread, I'd rather not have to worry about JJK spoilers in a place that is meant to be unrelated.
I plan to binge JJK in the future and hearing people bring the series up here gets me tense that I'll see something I really shouldn't have.
Satoru Gojo has eyes just like the ones that you see in my picture. But back to MHA, what I have been wondering most about is whether or not he will succeed in delivering the quirk to Shiga.Please remember that this is the MHA General Discussion Thread, I'd rather not have to worry about JJK spoilers in a place that is meant to be unrelated.
I plan to binge JJK in the future and hearing people bring the series up here gets me tense that I'll see something I really shouldn't have.
Was meant to be a joke with a fake spoiler. But then I wrote he where I should have written AFO and now it sounds like I was saying that Gojo is going to give the quirk to Shiga.What is bro talking about?
Seems perfectly good to meApparently they believe the High-ends are continental (I don't know why) and since Toga can hang with/hurt characters who can survive or hurt High-ends, she's apparently also continental.
At first I thought the scaling would be some inflated calc involving Sad Man's Legion and it's potential but it's actually about base Toga!
I think we're in the second to last volume now, yeah.Honestly the series itself should be pretty damn close to ending if we're doing Bakugo vs. All For One and Deku vs. Shigaraki now
AFO’s durability is kinda trash as Bakugo cut his arms off pretty easily, idk if we’re gonna learn much of his AP from this fight. His other stats aren’t really changing other than him being faster and his explosions hitting harder.Personally, I'd say we just wait to see how the fight with All For One ends.
Probably. We still have some other stuff to go through, like the Aizawa + Mic and Shirakumo stuff, as well as whatever it is Horikoshi said Sero was gonna do. But the fighting is probably gonna be over in like 10-20 chapters.Honestly the series itself should be pretty damn close to ending if we're doing Bakugo vs. All For One and Deku vs. Shigaraki now
He’s able to use his Quirks better/in stronger ways but his actual body can’t keep up with them. Like how he destroys his arm when he shoots the light beam, or how when he turned Stain into a stain his arm was bloody and broken.AFO was getting more powerful the younger he was becoming iirc
Uncertain as of now, he still hasn't done anything worth making another key. I'm just going to wait until we see more before making judgements.Alright, so since he’s back in action, how are we gonna treat Full-Body Cluster Bakugo?
Is it not on their profiles anymore?What happened to AFO/Shigaraki’s Analytical Prediction?
With the way Hori has been writing final confrontations it seems like this is what will happen, and we either get a Heroes Rising 2.0 or Bakugo managing to keep up with Deku through somethingMaybe I am overthinking, but seems to me that for the final battle Hori will want to have Deku and Bakugou against a Shiga empowered with the two quirks. Bakugou could still win this but I can't help believing that AFO will do one last ditch effort to merge with Shiga. Then we'll finally see Shiga's true Self-Embodiment of Perfection.
Okay, there's many things wrong with this, but I'm going to explain it as simply as possible.Never said that, but it’s the most impactful way to create stakes in my eyes (and in a lot of other people’s eyes)
Most of this is subjective, although the same goes for the reply that it is directed at.Okay, there's many things wrong with this, but I'm going to explain it as simply as possible.
Killing off a character is not what creates stakes unless you do it an important or popular character (and Edgeshot is neither) and even then, it's usually either seen as a cop out or incredibly cheap if it serves no narrative purpose or value beyond shock factor. The ACTUAL best way to create "stakes" is to create conflict in a story. Doesn't matter what type of conflict it is, as long as it's well structured.
This is how sports manga or really, any manga that has drama in it, but doesn't specialize in any of the tropes you see in Shonen Jump, are seen as interesting. It always keeps you pleading for more content because you want to see what happens on the next page. Every manga has stakes, although, some to a lesser degree.
I don't think people even understand that killing off a character doesn't inherently mean anything unless that character serves an important role in the story. Otherwise it'd be pointless. Killing off characters for little reason other then "there needs to be consequences, this is a war" is stupid because in order for that to work, you'd need to find a reason or an excuse for these characters to die. A legitimate one, not just shock factor.
Would Jirou or Tokoyami dying be incredibly tragic and depressing? Sure. To the people who have an attachment to those characters I guess. Many don't, and simply wouldn't care. And of course, there'd literally be zero reason or incentive to do so anyways. This is the problem with using shock factor. It's only effective (and keep in mind effective /=/ good) at making people upset that their favorite characters died. For the people who don't even care? Yeah, good luck convincing them to give a shit that some random B-lister hero fell to a Nomu foot soldier. Most that character will ever get is a "RIP" or some fanart at best.
Nobody'll give a **** if someone like... I don't know, a random civilian is shown getting killed on screen because you don't know that character, nor has the story spent time building them up. And even if it did, there's still a chance that the majority of people wouldn't really care because they're not the main character or someone close to them.
Sure, you could kill off All Might and fulfill Night Eye's prophecy, but Bakugo coming into rescue him both makes sense narratively, and completes his character arc. Win to save, save to win, etc. The main appeal of this arc, and every other major arc that came before it was not that the story risked characters dying, but the conflict happening in the story. Whether or not Deku wins the Sports Festival is what keeps people reading, since it's clear there's obstacles in the way of that.
Of course, there's a bunch of utter things that build tension in a story, like character development, a contrast between two characters narratively, or even the message that the story is trying to relay to the audience itself. All of that is just as important, if not at least second to an interesting or exciting story.
Whether or not Deku can stop Shigaraki and All for One from completely merging isn't simply interesting because it's a life or death situation, because there's probably ways that he could still win. He's the main character. He won't lose, lmao.
What makes it interesting is that the story makes us conjure up ways Deku could win the fight. It actually makes us think, and has us on the edge of our seats. It's exciting because an all out fight between Deku and a full powered All for One would be ******* killer.
That's what "good stakes" are in a story. Simply put, it's tension. Nothing more, nothing less. Killing characters off with the mentality of "just because" just makes the audience roll their eyes if anything.
And this is the reality of many readers. Some of MHA's official servers, you'd expect everyone there to like the franchise's direction, also have fans debating these preferences. Death is not the only way to create stakes and should not be done just because, that is agreeable. But factual argument about what keeps people on the edge of their seats in this series, like there is a narrative constant to that, cannot be made. Disqualifying the good stakes created by death done right is wrong. Of course, let's say someone finds more appeal in the alternative, that is not wrong either.This is not an argument about Naruto doing it right. Shippuden was its own can of worms for me. The intent is awareness that the most idealistic articles in the shounen library can still cross these lines to let an audience know that things are truly serious.
I never said that death done right doesn't serve a narrative purpose. What I meant was that there was either little opportunity for Horikoshi to capitalize off of it or just no point, because, again; shock factor. And at that point, why kill off a character to raise tension within a story when you could use that same character to build tension through their actions or character development?Death is not the only way to create stakes and should not be done just because, that is agreeable. But factually arguing what keeps people on the edge of their seats, like there is a narrative constant to that, is wrong. Disqualifying the good stakes created by death done right is wrong. Of course, let's say someone finds more appeal in the alternative, that is not wrong either.
Yes but the examples brought up in your reply were mostly things that only happen when it's done poorly. I already addressed the part about opportunities, as fans many believe that Horikoshi could deliver it. And to be honest Hori isn't home-free from attempts at shock value because he tries to achieve exactly that result with his constant fake outs. Bakugou, Nagant, most recently AM were all cases of this.I never said that death done right doesn't serve a narrative purpose. What I meant was that there was either little opportunity for Horikoshi to capitalize off of it or just no point, because, again; shock factor. And at that point, why kill off a character to raise tension within a story when you could use that same character to build tension through their actions or character development?
It's also interesting to bring up the main character, usually a given that they'll survive everything. I was explaining about a general lack of consequences to all aspects and directions of the good side. So that would be a mixed non-sequitur and strawman. I said this in a reply long before this one, but from the very beginning I never thought that Horikoshi would kill any character in the main class.It's not about subjectivity. You have to think of the bigger picture. If Horikoshi killed off Deku for NO REASON other then too increase the tension in the story, it would be bad writing. Preferences /=/ Writing structure. Him doing that would be bad for multitude of reasons. You don't need to jump through hoops to explain why. It'd just be bad.
This is a logical pitfall. At this argument's core, the message is that what one fraction of the fanbase enjoys is what is best for a story even if the fraction that you are invalidating presents good arguments. MHA does in fact lack elements that people aren't exactly wrong to expect from the arc that it promised. If it appeals to others that these elements are not happening that is fine. But it does not make the complaints and criticism invalid either. People can be fans and still have issues with how things are handled.Same with people complaining about how Horikoshi doesn't kill off enough characters. At a certain point, you just have to realize that there are people that are wrong, and people who are right. There can be an in between where you could say depending on the person's preferences, they might prefer one way to tell a story then the other, but it really doesn't sully my point here.
Not reading all that but thanksOkay, there's many things wrong with this, but I'm going to explain it as simply as possible.
Killing off a character is not what creates stakes unless you do it an important or popular character (and Edgeshot is neither) and even then, it's usually either seen as a cop out or incredibly cheap if it serves no narrative purpose or value beyond shock factor. The ACTUAL best way to create "stakes" is to create conflict in a story. Doesn't matter what type of conflict it is, as long as it's well structured.
This is how sports manga or really, any manga that has drama in it, but doesn't specialize in any of the tropes you see in Shonen Jump, are seen as interesting. It always keeps you pleading for more content because you want to see what happens on the next page. Every manga has stakes, although, some to a lesser degree.
I don't think people even understand that killing off a character doesn't inherently mean anything unless that character serves an important role in the story. Otherwise it'd be pointless. Killing off characters for little reason other then "there needs to be consequences, this is a war" is stupid because in order for that to work, you'd need to find a reason or an excuse for these characters to die. A legitimate one, not just shock factor.
Would Jirou or Tokoyami dying be incredibly tragic and depressing? Sure. To the people who have an attachment to those characters I guess. Many don't, and simply wouldn't care. And of course, there'd literally be zero reason or incentive to do so anyways. This is the problem with using shock factor. It's only effective (and keep in mind effective /=/ good) at making people upset that their favorite characters died. For the people who don't even care? Yeah, good luck convincing them to give a shit that some random B-lister hero fell to a Nomu foot soldier. Most that character will ever get is a "RIP" or some fanart at best.
Nobody'll give a **** if someone like... I don't know, a random civilian is shown getting killed on screen because you don't know that character, nor has the story spent time building them up. And even if it did, there's still a chance that the majority of people wouldn't really care because they're not the main character or someone close to them.
Sure, you could kill off All Might and fulfill Night Eye's prophecy, but Bakugo coming into rescue him both makes sense narratively, and completes his character arc. Win to save, save to win, etc. The main appeal of this arc, and every other major arc that came before it was not that the story risked characters dying, but the conflict happening in the story. Whether or not Deku wins the Sports Festival is what keeps people reading, since it's clear there's obstacles in the way of that.
Of course, there's a bunch of utter things that build tension in a story, like character development, a contrast between two characters narratively, or even the message that the story is trying to relay to the audience itself. All of that is just as important, if not at least second to an interesting or exciting story.
Whether or not Deku can stop Shigaraki and All for One from completely merging isn't simply interesting because it's a life or death situation, because there's probably ways that he could still win. He's the main character. He won't lose, lmao.
What makes it interesting is that the story makes us conjure up ways Deku could win the fight. It actually makes us think, and has us on the edge of our seats. It's exciting because an all out fight between Deku and a full powered All for One would be ******* killer.
That's what "good stakes" are in a story. Simply put, it's tension. Nothing more, nothing less. Killing characters off with the mentality of "just because" just makes the audience roll their eyes if anything.
HMHMHMHMHMHMH!?What happened to AFO/Shigaraki’s Analytical Prediction?
HMHMHMHMHMHMH!?
I forgot to put it down in the CRT.
Guess it'll have to come up in the next one.HMHMHMHMHMHMH!?
I forgot to put it down in the CRT.