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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

I'm starting to wonder how the 4th movie will even be incorporated now though. The manga only has 10 or so chapters left, how will the movie be referenced in canon unless something funky happens in the anime.
 
AnAverageUsername said:
I'm starting to wonder how the 4th movie will even be incorporated now though. The manga only has 10 or so chapters left, how will the movie be referenced in canon unless something funky happens in the anime.
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Thats a good question, actually. I was going to say it might take place after the series ended but considering where the anime is at, I doubt it.

It might just be the first movie that can actually just be considered noncanon or take place during Dekus solo mission during his little vigilante arc.

Who knows
 
Gitagon said:
How do you rate Captain Celebrity compared to the current cast of high tiers?

Can he make a difference?
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Grand_Astartes said:
He's kinda fodder ngl, but to be fair if he appeared now (for whatever reason) I wouldn't doubt Hori writing him to be much stronger than everyone else sans OFA/AFO and Endeavor. Back when he first got introduced most of the community viewed him as an American All-Might of sorts.
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Yeah, this. Except maybe he would be above Endevour, to show why he was the number 1 American hero (right? Was he?)
 
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Gitagon said:
How do you rate Captain Celebrity compared to the current cast of high tiers?

Can he make a difference?
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It would probably do well for him, his capabilities would probably increase somewhat, but now only Shigaraki is left to stop outside of the pitched battles that follow, he can make a difference if he doesn't mess with Shigaraki

Although because of how the USA is in the verse, I would say that there is not enough time to go, the fall of Star hit hard
 
AnAverageUsername said:
Yeah, this. Except maybe he would be above Endevour, to show why he was the number 1 American hero (right? Was he?)
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I would hope so. Realistically speaking from a non-powerscaling perspective, he had by far the greatest strength showings at the time besides OFA/AFO users. Like if it weren't for scaling I'm pretty certain him lifting the cruise ship and sky egg would be the best lifting strength feat in the series. (Ofc again excluding OFA/AFO and Giganto and such) Really would be interesting to see him again.
 
Gitagon said:
How do you rate Captain Celebrity compared to the current cast of high tiers?

Can he make a difference?
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If he took part of the Final War here, I'd put him around Endeavor's level. But weaker, since Endeavor sits high up on the list of those without multiple Quirks.

Considering the risk they can't put him against AFO since a single touch and his Quirk is gone. I don't believe for a second his barrier is strong enough to stop AFO from pushing through it, nor would they tempt fate like that. If he had a ranged attack maybe it'd be alright, but he's purely physical so he has to get close.

If he got sent with Gang Orca's team he could assist Izuku with flying back. But I dare say Izuku is faster. Best thing CC can do is be a sturdy post for Izuku to fling off of with Blackwhip for a Faux 100% boost. It could be a big difference in that case since Izuku would arrive much earlier, before Bakugo even gets injured maybe.

Shigaraki gets crushed in that case, since Kurogiri won't be arriving until later. By the time he does start warping, Shiggy might be down for the count. If CC is defending the hospital, there is no way Kurogiri is getting out period. Spinner isn't capable of powering through him.

Toga single handled saved the villain's chance at victory, Izuku with everyone's help would've ended Shigaraki way before he could do anything.

Those are probably the best places for CC to make any big changes. The AFO battle or Gigantomachia battle would basically be unchanged if he was there. He could defeat Kunieda before the heroes go down to his plants, but that battle didn't do much in the grand outcome and the heroes won without him anyway.

For the Shigaraki fight, he could be placed there but I doubt he'd change anything. Once Shigaraki goes into his giant rage state he'll smack him away like he did the other heroes. I imagine he could lift the U.A. Fortress, but that's assuming he isn't already KO'd or weakened by Shigaraki at that point.

He can make a difference depending on where he is.
 
TheRustyOne said:
If CC is defending the hospital, there is no way Kurogiri is getting out period. Spinner isn't capable of powering through him.
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But it's very funny to imagine him trying.
AnAverageUsername said:
Oh wow I completely missed the mark, he looks younger than from what I remember
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Likely in his 30s. His ex wife is friends with Tsukauchi who is 24. I estimate that he is around the same range.
 
Magicomethkuon said:
Yes but the examples brought up in your reply were mostly things that only happen when it's done poorly. I already addressed the part about opportunities, as fans many believe that Horikoshi could deliver it. And to be honest Hori isn't home-free from attempts at shock value because he tries to achieve exactly that result with his constant fake outs. Bakugou, Nagant, most recently AM were all cases of this.

Look look, Bakugou is dead...nevermind, Edgeshot to the rescue.
Look look! Nagant exploded...nevermind.
Broly look! AM is so going to die!...nevermind Bakugou to the rescue.
Look! Dabi is a living nuke!...nevermind.
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None of those are good examples.
  1. We already knew Bakugo wasn't die the chapter after he got his heart pierced, so it doesn't really count. For what it's worth, him being out of the fight has consequences in of itself, so it's not like the characters got out of scott free here. You'd also have to take into consideration what Hori was planning with his character.
  2. Nagant exploding is more or less in the same boat.
  3. Nobody was really sure that All Might would really die. It was just likely at best.
  4. Dabi WAS a living nuke. He just got neutralized by the combined efforts of the Todoroki family and Shoto himself, the latter of which was already established of being capable of achieving such a feat.
Magicomethkuon said:
I was explaining about a general lack of consequences to all aspects and directions of the good side. So that would be a mixed non-sequitur and strawman. I said this in a reply long before this one, but from the very beginning I never thought that Horikoshi would kill any character in the main class.
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Stop.

Before you can even mention consequences, you need to ask yourself "why?"

What even creates the consequences does there need to be here?

You can't just say that there should be consequences just because the heroes are fighting against the villains. You need a legitimate explanation or reason to kill off a character otherwise there'd be no point other then, again, shock value.

You keep mentioning how there needs to be consequences for the heroes, but you've completely disregarded that in order for those consequences to exist, there needs to be actions that caused them, and they need to make sense.

At this point, there's a few hoops that Horikoshi would have to jump through in order to even rationalize killing off a character.

"Would X this character have a better conclusion to their character arc and development if I killed them off? And if so, what is it bringing to the table?"

That is just a single question that someone in Horikoshi's position would have to ask themselves when writing a story like this. There aren't many characters, if any at all, which fit that criteria except maybe... I don't know, Gran Torino, but at that point, it's 100 chapters too late to be complaining about that while in the final arc of the series.

Magicomethkuon said:
I said that I understand how people have a problem with him being incapable of bringing himself to do it, when good works do it for great narrative effect and if I said I don't think Hori should bring a death to MHA, that would ruin the story, I'd be indirectly insulting his capability as a writer instead of praising his work. Because the implication here is that Hori somehow can't write an impactful death when his story is currently set in the best possible scenario for it to happen. A war for the country, and the world. Where all heroes and villains are clashing.
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We more or less encounter the same problem here.

In order for a death to be impactful, it needs to support the narrative that the story has, and or conclude a character arc, otherwise, barely anyone will care. The only way to achieve this would be if you were too kill off anyone who has lots of relevance to the story. And again, I'd like to reiterate, that there is absolutely no room for that to be happening. A lot of the characters that are important to the story either have roles that makes the idea of killing them off a bad idea. Not even just in execution, but on paper. Period.

Why would you kill All Might when Bakugo saving him is the perfect representation of both his and Deku's dynamic?

Why kill Nagant when her saving Deku, and consequently, all of the heroes asses is what validates Deku's idealistic mentality of saving everyone, regardless of moral alignment? Not just because it's "right," but because it builds a better tomorrow and showcases why Deku's ideals>>>>All Might's.

Killing off either of these characters would just... ruin what Horikoshi would have planned for them.

So, we're back to square one here.

Magicomethkuon said:
At this argument's core, the message is that what one fraction of the fanbase enjoys is what is best for a story even if the fraction that you are invalidating presents good arguments.
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It was never about what one side of the fanbase enjoyed over the other being what's "best" for the story. That'd be looking at it from the perspective of a consumer who's unable to think about this critically.

What I meant was that subjectivity doesn't really matter in a discussion like this unless you want to starting arguing things and whataboutism's similar to the sky being green.
 
Earthyboy said:
None of those are good examples.
  1. We already knew Bakugo wasn't die the chapter after he got his heart pierced, so it doesn't really count. For what it's worth, him being out of the fight has consequences in of itself, so it's not like the characters got out of scott free here. You'd also have to take into consideration what Hori was planning with his character.
  2. Nagant exploding is more or less in the same boat.
  3. Nobody was really sure that All Might would really die. It was just likely at best.
  4. Dabi WAS a living nuke. He just got neutralized by the combined efforts of the Todoroki family and Shoto himself, the latter of which was already established of being capable of achieving such a feat.

Stop.

Before you can even mention consequences, you need to ask yourself "why?"

What even creates the consequences does there need to be here?

You can't just say that there should be consequences just because the heroes are fighting against the villains. You need a legitimate explanation or reason to kill off a character otherwise there'd be no point other then, again, shock value.

You keep mentioning how there needs to be consequences for the heroes, but you've completely disregarded that in order for those consequences to exist, there needs to be actions that caused them, and they need to make sense.

At this point, there's a few hoops that Horikoshi would have to jump through in order to even rationalize killing off a character.

"Would X this character have a better conclusion to their character arc and development if I killed them off? And if so, what is it bringing to the table?"

That is just a single question that someone in Horikoshi's position would have to ask themselves when writing a story like this. There aren't many characters, if any at all, which fit that criteria except maybe... I don't know, Gran Torino, but at that point, it's 100 chapters too late to be complaining about that while in the final arc of the series.


We more or less encounter the same problem here.

In order for a death to be impactful, it needs to support the narrative that the story has, and or conclude a character arc, otherwise, barely anyone will care. The only way to achieve this would be if you were too kill off anyone who has lots of relevance to the story. And again, I'd like to reiterate, that there is absolutely no room for that to be happening. A lot of the characters that are important to the story either have roles that makes the idea of killing them off a bad idea. Not even just in execution, but on paper. Period.

Why would you kill All Might when Bakugo saving him is the perfect representation of both his and Deku's dynamic?

Why kill Nagant when her saving Deku, and consequently, all of the heroes asses is what validates Deku's idealistic mentality of saving everyone, regardless of moral alignment? Not just because it's "right," but because it builds a better tomorrow and showcases why Deku's ideals>>>>All Might's.

Killing off either of these characters would just... ruin what Horikoshi would have planned for them.

So, we're back to square one here.


It was never about what one side of the fanbase enjoyed over the other being what's "best" for the story. That'd be looking at it from the perspective of a consumer who's unable to think about this critically.

What I meant was that subjectivity doesn't really matter in a discussion like this unless you want to starting arguing things and whataboutism's similar to the sky being green.
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You sound really adamant about not accepting takes divergent from your own on this matter, so I'll go ahead and agree to disagree before we turn endlessly circular here and nothing changes about the way one or the other thinks. My piece is already mostly said anyways.
 
Time for another gushing about MHA's final arc from the good old DemonGod

I can't believe how much better the Villain Hunt Arc is after everything with AFO in this Final Arc. The ultimate conclusion of the Villain Hunt Arc was that Deku should not be handling everything on his own. That if he tries to do everything by himself, he will only tire himself out and won't be able to take down the #1 Threat, being Shigaraki. So far, everyone has worked together to constantly distract and keep AFO at bay so that Deku can focus on Shigaraki. They all have pushed AFO to the brink, allowing Deku to handle Shigaraki. This all culimates with Bakugo being the last one to take on AFO. The guy who always wanted to be #1 in the spotlight, focus firing AFO so that Deku can do what he needs too.

People always say MHA is shallow, but frankly this is perfect setup and payoff. I think Horikoshi has done a great job wrapping up everything.
 
CloverDragon03 said:
The fights that are pushing AFO to his limits in this War are both with the #2's of the current and future heroes (Endeavor and Bakugo). He's never getting that epic, final confrontation with the protagonist that he wanted, and that to me is poetic justice
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Spot on. All that talk about final boss, center stage and now (from his POV) he's just losing to Luigi.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Volume 39 came out and some small but interesting details. Armored All Might and Hercules costed almost all of All Might's money, so yeah the damn thing is expensive as hell. And it was confirmed that All Might rarely spends the money he makes for himself.

Also, due to the rushed nature of this job the suit hadn't been tested beforehand.

There is new art spread about, however Horikoshi straight up added a completely new double page spread for Chapter 390.
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Wait so Todoroki ran into the blast and straight up Negged it?

Damn thats nice
 
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