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354, also does a Hell’s Curtain.
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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18
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That would only count as one more at best. All that matters is how much he could produce, all he did was make giant flame fist from his 2 fists. How many punches he threw doesn't matter.
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Speaking of upgrades: the low tiers are getting amped again according to those calcs from Rusty. And if I’m doing my scaling right, we’re getting Tier 7 students.
Now that’s funny.
Now that’s funny.
Ped2018
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Oh brother
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Also why does how much energy they can produce not count as AP for the Todoroki's?
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Because the heat they produce is separate from the actual force of their attacks, so you can’t really prove they can punch with the same energy as their heat.
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I think for AFO, the simplest thing is that Dark Shadow made him feel fear even when he had just rewinded into his prime self and had a full adult body unlike now. Endeavor also did the same and made AFO feel fear and even see a shadow of All Might in him when he came back from the ground and went feral on AFO.
Bakugo basically hasn't achieved what Endeavor and Tokoyami did. He might be able to do so but at the time AFO makes that statement, Bakugo didn't give him the same feeling Tokoyami and Endeavor did.
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But quirks are biological. If they can produce that much energy naturally doesn't that mean they can use it in any way they want? They've also been shown multiple times to be able to concentrate their flames into one compact attack. So at least whey they do that their AP would scale to that right?
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Bakugo is arguably worse than either of them because he reminds AFO of Kudo who he hates more than anything All Might has ever done to him. So he’s likely never gonna give him that All Might feeling because he’s already giving him a far, far worse one.
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Which is cool. You'd expect Deku and Bakugo to only be the ones league's above the other students, but no, Tokoyami is built different.
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Not really. Quirks are biological yes, but the heat energy given off from whatever process is happening in their bodies isn’t the same as throwing a fireball and it destroying a city block with sheer force. A Quirk can be stronger than the physical body that holds it.
Heat would scale to their other statistics if there was a UES in place, but there isn’t. None of them have been confirmed to be able to propel their arms with the same energy you would get if you converted their heat into joules.
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Only in rare cases are bodies weaker than the quirks they hold. Only dabi from the 3 of them would fit that description. Heat energy is just a different form of energy, energy can change states all the time. Their bodies can produce and hold that amount of energy to be able to use it as fire power. That would at least scale to their durability, at least for endeavor and shoto. And dabi would just have extreme endurance. But also, we're shown multiple times that they can compact all that energy into a small point like their hands and make a stronger hit. For example, in one of the scans I show dabi hitting shoto with his fist enhanced by his flames. Shoto was sent flying back with force. Clearly that wasn't just heat energy, he wasn't just burning. They can compact their flames into a small point and hit you with the energy.
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Okay that temperature is way too high, Dabi isn't accepted as melting Carbon Fiber he reduce it to ash or whatever. IDK understand why people keep acting like he did. Also, Dabi's heat is vastly higher than Endeavor and Shoto so he's contributing more than them. So you shouldn't even be using his temperature to begin with.
That's not how mass of a cloud is found. Volume doesn't equal mass and I have no idea why you'd think that. You need to use this calculator. However, considering the high heat involved that means the density is going to be lower.
And only counting moments until Chapter 362 is wrong, since the storm was growing until the Chapter 374 statement. The storm was not that size in Chapter 362, it was just starting to ramp up. Dabi's big and constant Phosphor without a doubt contributed to its size as well.
Did you not notice that it was stated their heat had combined with an already existing Tropical System? There was already a normal storm in existence there, which means whatever energy it already had would have to be removed from the equation.
That's also not accounting for how this doesn't scale to anything either. Since heat energy doesn't translate into usable physical AP without a Universal Energy Source. It's the reason why Endeavor can almost reduce Incomplete Shigaraki to char, yet is inferior to him. And why Shoto isn't Low 7-B with his Quirk anymore.
It's also why AFO couldn't reflect Endeavor's flames with Impact Recoil. They were taking advantage of the fact it was sheer heat and not raw power like with All Might.
I think I've repeated this stuff way too much at this point.
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The value should be divided by more than 6 since even though the storm started forming in 362, it doesn’t mean the storm reached its size of 2200km by then and was still gaining in size, even more so since more heat was being added, so the value being divided should be greater than just 6.
Also “notable” heat attacks aren’t the only things that should be counted for this. Even things like Emdeavor using his flames to fly around and gain speed (which he’s doing pretty much constantly) is all letting out heat and therefore contributing to the cloud formation even outside of his attacks.
And that’s not mentioning Dabi for instance who is at all points in time constantly letting out passive heat with no break the entire fight with Todoroki and when he gets up again to find Endeavor
So yeah, TLDR is that the value cannot be divided the way it’s being done in the calc.
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Any passive heat they left would be dwarfed in comparison to their significant attacks. Those would be the main contributors, not them flying around. The typhoon doesn't play any game here. The energy calculated only concerns the heat aspect. And I believe just because it wasn't fully formed is 362 doesn't mean that it wasn't ready, it can't just suddenly form. And even if I change the requirement from everything before 362 to everything before 372 nothing new is added as far as I can tell. But I'll use the mass calculator TheRustyOne gave into account, and he's also right about him not melting crabon fiber. He just weakened it with his heat so much that it broke down. So instead of 3600C I'll use just 3000C
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We don’t know that and we can’t quantify how much higher an attack is compared to passive heat, also that’s not the issue either. The issue is that the passive heat is given off over time, and Endeavor flying around constantly, using more flames to increase his speed and Dabi always giving off heat can certainly mean that passive heat accumulated is greater than 1 singular attack.
The storm was combined with the typhoon so it plays a contributing factor in the size of the cloud formed, so that should also be factored into the results instead of just ignoring it all together.
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I do think that this part of the news lady sentence kind of sums things up:
The convection currents caused by repeated heat spikes have combined with a tropical Low Presure system in Japan's Southwest...To form an unprecedented type of enormous, inferno cumulonimbus cloud."
the typhoon was already their but is was still the heat made by the todoroki's that manipulate it to what we saw in the manga.
I think I brought a calc at some point asking for opinion on said feat + their was a debate on said feat on comicvine (cav) which one of the knowledgeable debators their think the feat should be a 6b one.
Though am not knowledgeable on calc am indeed curious on reply and how things plays out if this will be ignored just for it to be brought back at some point again or it will be taken care off.
The convection currents caused by repeated heat spikes have combined with a tropical Low Presure system in Japan's Southwest...To form an unprecedented type of enormous, inferno cumulonimbus cloud."
the typhoon was already their but is was still the heat made by the todoroki's that manipulate it to what we saw in the manga.
I think I brought a calc at some point asking for opinion on said feat + their was a debate on said feat on comicvine (cav) which one of the knowledgeable debators their think the feat should be a 6b one.
Though am not knowledgeable on calc am indeed curious on reply and how things plays out if this will be ignored just for it to be brought back at some point again or it will be taken care off.
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Endeavor Goes Monster Hunting (10-10-0)
Endeavor Vs. Teostra Fight Location: SBA Battle Music Normal Teostra will be used Starting Distance: 50 meters Speed Equal Both in character Win by any means Endeavor's AP is 139 gigatons: @Kaio1277999, @Kingofwolves999, @Grand_Astartes, @SODAKU, @Mapl3Sy4up, @TheRustyOne, @SuperStar...
First Endeavor fight in forever
RandomGuy2345
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Made this shit because I was bored (this sounds nothing like All Might lol).
Magicomethkuon
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That thread is fire.Endeavor Goes Monster Hunting (10-10-0)
Endeavor Vs. Teostra Fight Location: SBA Battle Music Normal Teostra will be used Starting Distance: 50 meters Speed Equal Both in character Win by any means Endeavor's AP is 139 gigatons: @Kaio1277999, @Kingofwolves999, @Grand_Astartes, @SODAKU, @Mapl3Sy4up, @TheRustyOne, @SuperStar...vsbattles.com
First Endeavor fight in forever
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My plan is to make more matches that aren't just Deku, Bakugo, All Might, and Shigiraki.
XSOULOFCINDERX
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I did not realize that the flame war in the fight would become a literal flame war in the comments section for that matchup.
Magicomethkuon
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I almost regret actually reading before voting.
XSOULOFCINDERX
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At most I was expecting "Well Teostra has more raw power but it still takes a fat L".
XSOULOFCINDERX
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Oh, if that's true then.... Welp, rip....
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Escanor vs Endeavor
Both High 6-C (Yes that means it stays dawn so Escanor doesn't just last a decently long time and AP-****) Speed Equal Battle takes place in Jurassic Park Escanor: 0 Endeavor: 0 Inconclusive: 0
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No way I didn't notice this please say cap
Magicomethkuon
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Probably a Garaki-made replica even if it is, icl.
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I'm wondering after Bakugo's latest chapter if that changed the Top 10 of this story because
Bakugo's attack power is enough to knock Young AFO away, which is Young AFO > Prime AFO ≈ Prime All Might. In terms of Bakugo's speed, it is said to be faster than Shigaraki's response. The moment Shigaraki = Prime All Might will allow us to conclude whether or not Bakugou is now superior to Prime All Might himself.
Bakugo's attack power is enough to knock Young AFO away, which is Young AFO > Prime AFO ≈ Prime All Might. In terms of Bakugo's speed, it is said to be faster than Shigaraki's response. The moment Shigaraki = Prime All Might will allow us to conclude whether or not Bakugou is now superior to Prime All Might himself.
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Prime Afo isn't = Prime Might though
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Why isn't Prime AFO even close to Prime All Might when he can seriously wound Prime All Might?
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Different quirks compared to back then, we barely know how the fight went down, and All Might messed up AfO's face pretty badly. But others can tell you better.
Spinoirr
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Probably just blood covering it
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Rewind AFO doesn't equal Prime AFO.
AFO's power comes from his Quirks, he lacks the Prime All Might level Quirkless body that Shigaraki has. As such his ability to fight Prime All Might comes from the Quirks he had back then. Which he no longer possess anymore.
In Kamino it was stated by Gran Torino that AFO's Quirks are completely different to what they were previously. Rewind AFO has Weakened AFO's Quirks, he did not regain his Prime Quirks.
Case in point, he's still using the same Quirks his Weakened self had. As such he's superior to Weakened AFO, but we don't know how he compares to Prime AFO without a direct statement or something similar.
Considering AFO just stated Bakugo's attack was inferior to Endeavor's. I highly doubt Rewind AFO scales to Prime All Might level in terms of durability. Since that would make Endeavor on par or stronger than Prime All Might.
Bakugo with this Cluster is on Prime All Might's level in terms of speed however.
However, we aren't updating the profiles until we see more of what he can do.
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While AFO was being petty in his remarks with Bakugo, his claim that Bakugo's attacks weren't as strong as Endeavor's or Dark Shadow's still holds credence.
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