- 13,335
- 21,318
I don’t think he was actually saying it did, he was using that as an example of how the timeframe is a complete unknown
-
This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.
For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here. -
We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.
Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.
Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page. -
Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.
My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18
- Thread starter TheRustyOne
- Start date
- 31,605
- 28,091
I'm not giving kudos to "Mocking only works if there's truth in it" if that's what you mean. Are there any specific posts you think I shouldn't be giving kudos to?
- 163
- 117
Why would Deku taking minutes to cross the ocean be an outlier (absurdly slow) and not Deku being massively faster than Nagant's bullets that cross a country in miliseconds (absurdly fast) ? This is what I mean. Things are only ever inconsistent on this forum when they don't produce a large number. If something makes a good result, obviously everything else is inconsistent because the author doesn't know what they're talking about, and other anime do this all the time so it's fine to just use the high result and inflate numbers
- 13,335
- 21,318
I love it when characters travel across the ocean in a millionth of a second while complaining how slow they are, and eventually get assistance from piloted jets setting themselves up in a line for them to whip onto, allowing them to reach the location faster. Checks out
These @Damage3245
Now I don’t wanna go full police mode on you, it’s your prerogative and all, but there was admitted mockery in this and that doesn’t sit right with me
- 31,605
- 28,091
Admittedly, I didn't read any mockery to other users in those posts when I first read them. I thought they were making fun of the trope.
- 8,214
- 12,528
Him taking minutes to cross the ocean isn’t an outlier, his Faux 100% would have crossed it instantly. And his Faux 100% is what blitzed Nagant’s bullets.
So both feats for the speed you’re upset about… portray it as faster than anything in the verse and able to get to where it wants better than anything else.
Deku is legit pissed off while flying across the ocean cause he knows he can get there faster, near instantly in fact, but is forced to hold back.
- 13,335
- 21,318
I suppose I can understand that, I saw it as mockery personally (and the latter was admitted to be so later it seems)
- 163
- 117
I was making fun of both the trope and the user suggesting the absurd premise. I don't see the problem, it's making light fun. We're on a battleboarding forum man, it's not personal
- 657
- 546
Again, the minutes thing is not canon. And it's inconsistent because it wouldn't make sense because deku is clearly faster shown by multiple calcs. The sub-rel calc is not inconsistent because this version of deku is much faster than his past self and it doesn't contradict anything or any of his feats. Whilst the supersonic+ feat you're arguing would directly contradict almost every single speed feat in this verse. The sub-rel calc doesn't contradict anything and this version of deku is much faster than his mhs+ old counterpart.
- 13,335
- 21,318
You’re not personal friends with these people to my knowledge, so no, I don’t think it’s very appreciated. I get that sorta banter between friends, I do it too, but I don’t think y’all are friends
I just don’t want things to get toxic
- 163
- 117
His 45% scales to his 100% on his profile dude. Your point still doesn't make sense
- 31,605
- 28,091
Agreed. Let's tone things down a bit on here.
- 13,335
- 21,318
Not quite. It’s a downscale
- 8,214
- 12,528
No it doesn’t, what are you talking about. His 45% speed is inferior to his 100% speed.
- 163
- 117
The mach 17,000 feat contradicts every All Might speed feat in vigilantes, Deku's prior speed feat against Nagant's bullets, all of Deku's previous calcs that don't involve lasers or light, and most other calcs involving other characters
- 163
- 117
It's still sub-rela. It doesn't matter if it downscales or not. It still partially scales. You'd have to divide 45% speed in comparison to 100%'s by 200x in order to make this consistent
- 8,214
- 12,528
That’s not how that works at all. 45% is sub rel because it can react to Nagant’s bullets, and that’s with help from Danger Sense.
100%, as noted on the profiles, blitzes those bullets and would blitz 45% as well.
I would recommend you actually read the profile next time, the reasoning is quite blatant.
- 657
- 546
How many times are we shown prime allmight going all out speed wise in Vigilantes? We barely even see prime allmight in Vigilantes I'm pretty sure. And IT DOESN'T CONTRADICT DEKUS SPEED FEAT AGAINST NAGANTS BULLET, THAT ENTIRE CALC IS BUILD ON THE FALSE PREMISE THAT IT'S A NORMAL BULLET. WHICH IT CLEARLY ISN'T, STOP USING THAT. I'VE ALREADY EXPLAINED THAT TO YOU. And it doesn't contradict dekus previous calcs (that don't involve lasers or light) because this version of deku is much faster than his old self
- 163
- 117
Okay... How does that make sense though. My argument was "Deku taking seconds to cross the ocean contradicts the 100% calc because it should allow Deku to cross the ocean massively faster, even using 45% which is STILL sub-rela"
Your response is "But 45% isn't that sub-rela, so it's not really an outlier" which doesn't make sense
Your response is "But 45% isn't that sub-rela, so it's not really an outlier" which doesn't make sense
- 11,364
- 13,486
- Thread starter
- #32,340
That's not how that works. Being in the same tier doesn't mean anything.
If a character blitz someone who is Supersonic by moving so fast they're frozen like a statue, they're still going to be Supersonic without a calculation.
45% Deku reactions/combat speed and Lady Nagant's bullets are from the Sub-Rela calc, 100% has no Sub-Rela calc it just scales above them massively.
- 163
- 117
We see All Might take time to travel to locations multiple times in Vigilantes. Also why would it be a false premise to assume Nagant's bullet is as fast as a normal one? She's stated to only have slightly above the normal shooting range of an actual sniper rifle.How many times are we shown prime allmight going all out speed wise in Vigilantes? We barely even see prime allmight in Vigilantes I'm pretty sure. And IT DOESN'T CONTRADICT DEKUS SPEED FEAT AGAINST NAGANTS BULLET, THAT ENTIRE CALC IS BUILD ON THE FALSE PREMISE THAT IT'S A NORMAL BULLET. WHICH IT CLEARLY ISN'T, STOP USING THAT. I'VE ALREADY EXPLAINED THAT TO YOU. And it doesn't contradict dekus previous calcs (that don't involve lasers or light) because this version of deku is much faster than his old self
- 8,214
- 12,528
45% ISN’T sub rel in movement speed, demonstrably so. We are literally going to address movement speed in an upcoming thread, if you paid any attention to what other people are saying.
Combat speed and reactions are the only things that are sub rel with Prime AM characters being the only ones with that level of travel speed. Do you comprehend that information?
- 657
- 546
The ocean crossing feat would just be an outlier (or you know, we don't know the timeframe or how it lines up with the events going on in the manga so it's not even usable)
- 163
- 117
Okay, again, this is still inconsistent because 45% to SOME degree scales to Prime All Might's speed, through him being able to block a strike from Shigaraki and from Endeavor/Hawks being able to keep up with Prime AFO. And Deku still wasn't able to cross an ocean with this supposedly Sub-rela speed
- 182
- 155
yeah, we'd have to discard most statements, impressions characters express about speeds in the universe, the information provided by the author, narrative, movie sequences, information in the spin-offs, and the vast majority of feats in all combined material. I think you're very correct in your assertion if we look at the series and all content as a whole, but that doesn't seem to be the agenda or goal.
The 45% Deku feat is him reacting to and kicking Nagant's bullet (or similar instances). While the Faux 100% feat is him outpacing the bullet. I obviously agree with your overall impression and frustration, but this is probably a misunderstanding.
That range (3km) is the range of which she can control, predict, and manage her bullets. It's directly compared to Snipe's quirk in that context. Not the distance their bullets can travel.
- 163
- 117
Still doesn't add up. Prime AFO also takes multiple seconds/minutes to cross Japan, and he's relative to Prime All Might
- 657
- 546
How much time? Of course he takes time to travel. We're not arguing for infinite speed. And we're talking about PRIME All Might not just All Might. Also, wtf does range have to do with speed? Also also, nagant has a range of 200km so the 3km thing is contradicted. As far as I'm aware nagant herself never says her range, it was snipe that said the 3km thing.
- 11,364
- 13,486
- Thread starter
- #32,348
Rewind AFO does not scale to Prime AFO, we've been over this many times. He does not have the same Quirks he did during his fight with Prime All Might.
45% Izuku doesn't scale to Prime All Might at all.
Current Izuku is not accepted as using 45%, since he's vastly stronger and faster.
- 13,335
- 21,318
That and the ocean thing are travel speed. Sub-Rel is for combat speed
- 8,214
- 12,528
Rewind AFO isn’t Prime AFO, and Prime AFO is feat-less so you can’t even say this. Bro can teleport, why would he care about any Quirk that increases his travel speed anyway when he’s so cocky.
- 11,364
- 13,486
- Thread starter
- #32,351
Prime AFO also isn't scaling to Prime All Might's travel speed, we haven't seen anything that shows they're comparable in that manner.
At most his reaction/combat speed scales since he obviously wasn't getting blitzed during their fight.
- 13,335
- 21,318
This is never stated
- 163
- 117
Okay but if Sub-Rel is for combat speed and Deku at 100% can massively outspeed Nagant's bullet using travel speed, and his 45% downscales from his 100%, his 45% travel speed still doesn't make sense
- 13,335
- 21,318
His 45% travel speed does NOT downscale from 100%
- 8,214
- 12,528
It doesn’t downscale from his 100%, why are you even saying that.
- 657
- 546
Outside of using things that are either not canon or contradicted by also every other speed calc in the series, why doesn't it make sense? Like, deku would be much faster than his old self so you can't use the outlier argument since the sub-rel calc wouldn't contradict anything.
- 163
- 117
I'm saying, why wouldn't his 45% downscale from his 100% travel speed? 100% doesn't grant him the ability to travel long distances faster.
- 11,364
- 13,486
- Thread starter
- #32,358
You need to prove that.
The Burden of Proof falls on you to prove 45% should downscale, we don't need to prove that it doesn't.
Your statement is a fallacy.
- 657
- 546
Why wouldn't 100% give him faster travel speed???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
- 8,214
- 12,528
1) That’s a ridiculous statement, why WOULD it downscale? Burden of proof is on you.
2) 100% is faster than 45%. So it lets him get to places faster. Because that’s how speed works. Faster things get to other places faster.
Similar threads
