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I'll lead I guess.
Who's stronger?
Mirko's Rabbit Kicks or Prime All Might's Smash?
Who's stronger?
Mirko's Rabbit Kicks or Prime All Might's Smash?
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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18
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He didn't punch a hole in his chest, he caved his chest inward (Blood makes it hard to see). Those are different things and mean different things.
Edit: Also while it wasn't mention... His heart exploded from the inside, as the blast came out of his heart, which means it wasn't only from the punch.
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Prime All Might’s Smash, obviously.
If this is you trying to lead up to “Mirko hurt Shigaraki,” then that doesn’t mean anything since he was having a mental breakdown about Bakugo hurting him which was making him take more damage than he should have been from her attacks. He literally questions why he even staggered from her hits and then focuses on Bakugo, and notes that he was being threatened and is confused.
Saying Mirko scales to his durability when he’s not having a literal meltdown is unfounded. She only hurts him when he’s shaking in fear/anxiety, and his mental state clearly affects his physical capabilities since his body is described as ever changing and looking for an optimal form.
So why did he not cave in Mirko’s head.
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Alright, focus on that and you'll realize something that actually helps your case.
Also his durability didn't get lower because you believe it was. He never said that, she also made him bleed with a series of kicks.
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To be fair Mirko has been out of the fight since then, right? We have no idea what her current status is.
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Last we saw she was standing up and leaning against a wall (369). Though you are right that we don't know what her damage is.
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I’m saying his durability got lower because we literally see him staggering from attacks that should not be staggering him. He says this directly, he has taken no real damage from any of the attacks except Bakugo’s Full Body Cluster, including the kick Mirko literally just did to him. He is panicking and only then does she draw blood from him, and since his body is constantly shifting, his durability getting worse when he’s having a panic attack from taking damage, and then INCREASING in defense to respond to what he perceives as danger, is not just me “wanting it to be.”
And ok, Prime AM is stronger than Mirko. Meaning he should be able to rip apart High Ends way easier than she can. Meaning he should be able to rip apart Mirko easier than High Ends can. Is that the point of this?
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Correct! If Prime All Might is meant to be stronger than Mirko, that means he should be capable of performing greater feats that she can with her kicks?
If Mirko's kicks are strong enough to rip through the body of Weakened All Might level characters like the High-Ends, who are comparable to the USJ Nomu's base strength. Doesn't that mean Prime All Might's attacks should do even more damage than what Mirko's kicks did?
Unless we're saying Mirko>Prime AM, it doesn't make sense for someone on par with him to not produce the same feats.
Can anyone explain this?
If Mirko's kicks are strong enough to rip through the body of Weakened All Might level characters like the High-Ends, who are comparable to the USJ Nomu's base strength. Doesn't that mean Prime All Might's attacks should do even more damage than what Mirko's kicks did?
Unless we're saying Mirko>Prime AM, it doesn't make sense for someone on par with him to not produce the same feats.
Can anyone explain this?
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Bakugou cannot one tap Todoroki lol
Bakugou’s speed >> Todoroki’s speed but Todoroki’s AP/dura > Bakugou’s AP/dura
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Man, sure would be crazy if I had given two explanations for this before hand that got totally ignored in favor of thinking Mirko and Suneater are just more durable than High Ends.
Bakugo hurt Prime AM level Shigaraki. Dabi is just vaguely stronger than Endeavor. Shoto is not more durable than Bakugo’s AP by a long shot.
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Reasoning?
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Bakugou made Shigaraki sting with his explosions; that isn’t AP lol just dura neg
It’s literally listed on Bakugou’s profile that he can slightly injure people due to the sheer heat of his explosions
Season 3 Bakugou made All Might say that his explosions stung. Is Bakugou in Season 3 High 6-C now?
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He hurt him with the force, the heat of those explosions is less than his HIC. He didn’t even burn his face with them, it was clearly the power behind the explosion that hurt him, not he heat, otherwise that would have been noted, as was shown with the HIC.
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Agree on the last part.
But Shiggy said it stung a little and had zero damage on his face. His injury was very light.
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Considering he says that only about that attack, and literally compares a kick from Mirko to “not doing real damage except for Bakugo,” I would say that qualifies it to be enough to surpass Shoto’s durability.
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Regardless tho Prime AM characters cannot oneshot Weakened AM level characters
Bakugou simply cannot oneshot Todoroki
Bakugou simply cannot oneshot Todoroki
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So Mirko is stronger than Prime All Might?
She can rip through Weakened All Might level characters like the High-Ends.
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Mirko one shots Weakened AM characters.
She is weaker than Prime AM.
Prime AM characters can thus one shot Weakened AM characters.
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Explain Suneater and Mirko withstanding an enraged punch from Shigaraki
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Out. Lier. As. I’ve. Said. 100. Times.
Either that, or Defense form is weaker offensively. Literally only those two options exist. That or Mirko is >>>> Prime AM but only in AP with Prime AM durability just being way higher for whatever reason.
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Shiggy's body is weird since Mirko's first kick did literally nothing to him, yet her second kick knocked him down. Her Luna Rush would end up drawing blood.
His body reacted to this and evolved into a defensive form to help protect him, making him more durable than before.
I kind of hope Horikoshi can explain these many inconsistences. Then it gets revealed Izuku is at 45%
His body reacted to this and evolved into a defensive form to help protect him, making him more durable than before.
I kind of hope Horikoshi can explain these many inconsistences. Then it gets revealed Izuku is at 45%
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People with Mirko’s durability? He caves in their chests and can casually squeeze their arms so hard they splurt blood from the broken, tangled mess he makes them.
So how does him punching her in the face with his Defense Mode not cave in her face or send blood spewing everywhere. That literally makes 0 sense at all.
So how does him punching her in the face with his Defense Mode not cave in her face or send blood spewing everywhere. That literally makes 0 sense at all.
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I believe there is an explanation, that's why we're waiting before making these big changes.
He failed to one hit kill Bakugo, Suneater, and Mirko. This is very consistent. Since something stronger than Mirko should've went straight through Bakugo, that damage is too little to take as the same. His heart exploding wasn't even fully caused by Shiggy either, since his heart exploded from the inside out.
Maybe it will get revealed Shiggy isn't Prime All Might level at all.
Or maybe he couldn't unleash his full power due to his weird mental thing going on?
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Maybe he just clipped her tbh. We don't see the actual impact; we just see her flying back after being struck.
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So is this the explanation we’re using? He’s just in permanent freak out mode after Bakugo awakens, so he’s weaker? That’s the same thing I was saying about his durability, how is this any different.
We see Suneater right before he’s hit, he definitely didn’t just clip him.
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Nope. That's an assumption that can't be used, have to wait for the series to tell us first.
Possibilities can only be mentioned when the series ends and we have no answer.
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Just noticed that in Chapter 366, Shigaraki speed blitzed Mirio and disappeared from his perception, who can easily dodge Shigaraki’s hand growths
Kinda proves there is a considerably decent speed gap between Weakened AM and Prime AM
Kinda proves there is a considerably decent speed gap between Weakened AM and Prime AM
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Now that scaling puts everyone and their mother on weakened All Might level, all this confusion abounds.
I would say there are 2 answers to this question based off either: 1. Vs Battle power scaling, and 2. The Manga itself.
It's best to always separate fanscaling from the actual manga itself. Don't mix stuff up. Scaling can put someone on city level when in-universe they are treated as a completely ordinary human who is basically street level.
Scaling can have 2 characters who are in the same ballpark in manga canon somehow be leagues apart like all those Monoma is 1000 times stronger than who and who debates that were on here when in-universe base Monoma is just a regular dude. There is nothing special about him compared to the ordinary BNHA base human being.
So for a lot of these characters, there is the powerscaling version and the intended manga version and for a lot of characters, they don't gel.
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I calculated the feat of Deku’s Blackwhip outpacing Shigaraki before he could touch the ground:
Shigaraki height: 1.75 m (592 px)
Shigaraki torso height: 143 px (0.42 m)
Shigaraki torso height in panel: 84 px
Panel height: 257 px
(0.42*257)/[84*2tan(70/2)] = 1.36 m (Shigaraki’s distance from panel)
Deku’s height: 1.65 m
Deku height in panel: 15 px
(1.65*257)/[15*2tan(70/2)] = 29.83 m
29.83 - 1.36 = 28.47 m
Shigaraki’s finger length: 0.098 m (24 px)
Distance between Shigaraki and ground: 46 px (0.19 m)
Shigaraki is faster than 45% Deku, who can keep pace with and move his limbs at comparable speeds to Nagant’s bullets, which are accepted at 1422 m/s.
0.19/1422 = 0.00013 s (Timeframe)
28.47/0.00013 = 219000 m/s (Mach 638.48, Massively Hypersonic)
Shigaraki height: 1.75 m (592 px)
Shigaraki torso height: 143 px (0.42 m)
Shigaraki torso height in panel: 84 px
Panel height: 257 px
(0.42*257)/[84*2tan(70/2)] = 1.36 m (Shigaraki’s distance from panel)
Deku’s height: 1.65 m
Deku height in panel: 15 px
(1.65*257)/[15*2tan(70/2)] = 29.83 m
29.83 - 1.36 = 28.47 m
Shigaraki’s finger length: 0.098 m (24 px)
Distance between Shigaraki and ground: 46 px (0.19 m)
Shigaraki is faster than 45% Deku, who can keep pace with and move his limbs at comparable speeds to Nagant’s bullets, which are accepted at 1422 m/s.
0.19/1422 = 0.00013 s (Timeframe)
28.47/0.00013 = 219000 m/s (Mach 638.48, Massively Hypersonic)
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There is no proof that Bakugo has the same level of durability as Mirko.
Also as far as I remember, Shigaraki chewed off Mirko's arm by growing teeth on the hands that were holding her. The teeth were biting down on her arm and Mirko forcefully broke off which caused her hand to be cut off. So he didn't just rip off her hand the traditional way.
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He gets smacked by the fingers that can hurt Mirko, literally the same attack as well. He has similar durability to her.
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He also withstood this air pressure attack from Shigaraki alongside Mirko and Edgeshot.
Mirko was fine before that attack. Some bruises from his growth "attack".
But the next time we see her she's bleeding from the head.
Hard to tell since he was already bloody beforehand, but I think Bakugo took that hit better than she did. But that's my opinion.
Mirko was fine before that attack. Some bruises from his growth "attack".
But the next time we see her she's bleeding from the head.
Hard to tell since he was already bloody beforehand, but I think Bakugo took that hit better than she did. But that's my opinion.
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I think that's Best Jeanist, Mirko and Edgeshot being hit by it, not Bakugo.
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He was holding Bakugo in his hand and he casually tossed him back, the attack is also omni-directional.
There's no way Bakugo was not hit by the attack.
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Not sure, I'd call it omni-directional. It's not an explosio, it's a shockwave generated by swinging his arm in a particular direction.
When All Might does an air-pressure punch, he doesn't also create an equal shockwave that goes behind him.
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Ye idk if it was omnidirectional, pretty sure he just hit the pros then walked back to bully Bakugo
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Also can I be honest? I never saw Best Jeanist there whatsoever. I just feel embarrassed, I'm being revealed to be a god damn idiot.
Why did no one mention this despite the fact I've said this many times through out the months since this chapter came out?
Great, now there are more issues with the scaling. I need time to work this out, I'm getting an headache.
At this point maybe Endeavor level characters shouldn't be anywhere near the same tier as Weakened All Might.
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What issues crop up from this? Just means Shigaraki’s air pressure is enough to blast them away and hurt them pretty bad. Unless you were using it for a Bakugo justification?
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