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My main point of the calc and the scene was to make it clear that Izuku was faster than sound in canon.I've also been keeping up with the discussion in the comments of the calc but at the very least the anime ends are usable and okay low ends
Yeah and this is a sentiment I completely agree with and believe myself, it's by no means unfounded at all so you're all good there and considering Damage's like your comment I'd say he also agree's with Deku blatantly being faster than sound normally (I mean he does this with like days of no rest and several untreated injuries all while on the verge of collapsing) though he can say himself if he thinks soMy main point of the calc and the scene was to make it clear that Izuku was faster than sound in canon.
Which means his speed being Speed of Sound for calcs should be alright. It's not a calc, he just very clearly outpaces a sound attack.
We can't use the results I got since that'd be calc stacking. But you get what I mean right?
I know many people who don't see Izuku as faster than sound. Only with Gear Shift he's faster than sound because of that statement.
5% dodging bullets, moves fast enough to make metal glow hot, air force from 20% finger flicks being called shockwaves, and 45% just straight up outpacing sound.
I mean yeah? I’d assume this means full power Dark Shadow is just comparable to Prime AM in pure strength. He directly overpowers Prime AFO, while causing AFO to feel fear for the first time ever in the series, he’s just built like that.Question for everyone. Weakened All For One was capable of catching and stopping All Might's attacks, even while in mid air. Yet Prime All For One tried and failed to stop himself from being driven into the ground from Dark Shadow's full power. He even had to use another Quirk to free himself.
Would you say Dark Shadow in this moment is stronger than Weakened All Might? Inasa is helping yeah, but we've seen what just Inasa does to AFO. So I'd say the majority of that is Dark Shadow keeping him down here. Yeah All Might was holding back, but he was still using enough power to hurt AFO and match his Air Cannon.
Maybe but question is how much stronger. Is he Mirko level of stronger than Weakened AM or Fist Bump to the Earth level of stronger or is he just Prime AM level straight upQuestion for everyone. Weakened All For One was capable of catching and stopping All Might's attacks, even while in mid air. Yet Prime All For One tried and failed to stop himself from being driven into the ground from Dark Shadow's full power. He even had to use another Quirk to free himself.
Would you say Dark Shadow in this moment is stronger than Weakened All Might? Inasa is helping yeah, but we've seen what just Inasa does to AFO. So I'd say the majority of that is Dark Shadow keeping him down here. Yeah All Might was holding back, but he was still using enough power to hurt AFO and match his Air Cannon.
I think the general principle of the conclusion is sound.
Stronger than Mirko in my eyes. He's comparable to Prime All Might, which I think we all put above Mirko.Maybe but question is how much stronger. Is he Mirko level of stronger than Weakened AM or Fist Bump to the Earth level of stronger or is he just Prime AM level straight up
She's lower than Endeavor's Flashfire Fist (FFF for short), so I'd assume that Prime AM >>>>> Mirko (I may have missed a few >'s)Stronger than Mirko in my eyes. He's comparable to Prime All Might, which I think we all put above Mirko.
Oh no contest there. This had me thinking, between all the "stronger than Weakened but weaker than Prime" who do you think is stronger: Wolfram's big Cube, Nine's big storm, Fist Bump to the Earth, Ultimate quirk combination and finally just Mirko. My bet on Mirko since she have more showingsStronger than Mirko in my eyes. He's comparable to Prime All Might, which I think we all put above Mirko.
She's higher going by feats. She does more damage to the same High-Ends compared to him. Talking about her AP, her dura seems to just be comparable to his.She's lower than Endeavor's Flashfire Fist (FFF for short), so I'd assume that Prime AM >>>>> Mirko (I may have missed a few >'s)
There is a coliseum and you throw all of these students in:
Phosphor Todoroki
Dark Shadow at Peak Darkness
Full Body Cluster Bakugou
Awakened Shoji
45% Dark Deku (No Gear Shift)
2nd War Arc Jirou
Mirio with Nejire’s Energy Boosts
2nd War Arc Froppy
2nd War Arc Uraraka
Unbreakable Kirishima
Who comes out on top?
Describe how the actual fight would go down as wellThere is a coliseum and you throw all of these students in:
Phosphor Todoroki
Dark Shadow at Peak Darkness
Full Body Cluster Bakugou
Awakened Shoji
45% Dark Deku (No Gear Shift)
2nd War Arc Jirou
Mirio with Nejire’s Energy Boosts
2nd War Arc Froppy
2nd War Arc Uraraka
Unbreakable Kirishima
Who comes out on top?
I feel like Tokoyami is probably more resistant to light than he used to be in the pastWon't Shoji, Froppy and Uraraka be completely useless thanks to lacking AP and Dura. Also 2 light user means Tokoyami might as well not be there.
He gets one tapped by Bakugo before he even pulls up Phosphor, and he can’t nullify the force of attacks, only heat. By the time he slightly moves to attack, Bakugo has already blasted him in the face and made him lose focus on Phosphor.Funnily enough Shoto could probably counter Bakugou if he froze the entire area, preventing him from sweating or just necrosis him. Same deal with Mirio, cover yourself and the entire area with ice or fire and Mirio is pretty much dead as he can't stay underground forever and has to pop up for air which will burn or freeze him to death and if he somehow survives that then he can't hurt Shoto since his fist would either get vaporized or crumbled away even before contact
Feats>Statements. (Get the Japanese raws translated, I've seen different ways of translating that line)Also, to reiterate something: Weakened AM characters cannot even scratch Prime AM characters skin. As confirmed by Mirio punching Shigaraki, regardless of whatever scuff marks there seem to be, they are literally incapable of damaging them.
So I once again ask how the ever living **** we don’t take Mega Defense Mode Shigaraki not one tapping Mirko and Suneater as an outlier and instead claim they scale to him when his weakest attacks brutalize them.
Aside from the HIC, what attack that he used hurt Shiggy?Also Bakugo should blitz everyone and body them since his attacks can actually hurt Shigaraki,
It was stated that Bakugo's Cluster attack to his face stung him a little. Though it didn't visibly leave any kind of mark on him.Aside from the HIC, what attack that he used hurt Shiggy?
Mirio isn't on the same tier as Weakened AM though, right?Also, to reiterate something: Weakened AM characters cannot even scratch Prime AM characters skin. As confirmed by Mirio punching Shigaraki, regardless of whatever scuff marks there seem to be, they are literally incapable of damaging them.
So I once again ask how the ever living **** we don’t take Mega Defense Mode Shigaraki not one tapping Mirko and Suneater as an outlier and instead claim they scale to him when his weakest attacks brutalize them.
Nejire's energy enhancing his punch. That should've been obvious.Mirio isn't on the same tier as Weakened AM though, right?
Ah. I don't personally consider her to be that high so didn't take it into account.Nejire's energy enhancing his punch. That should've been obvious.
I thought Nejire is only around Endeavor/45% level?Nejire's energy enhancing his punch. That should've been obvious.
Bakugo, who is equal to Mirko in durability, got his face sheared by Shigaraki scraping past to grab his arm. Which was broken in an instant, literally shattered in several areas and bleeding severely from a simple grab.Feats>Statements. (Get the Japanese raws translated, I've seen different ways of translating that line)
Also durability feats don't mean anything for how strong someone is. Just because he tanked that hit with some light bruises doesn't mean he can one shot them.
These are literally Shiggy's only showings of power.
We accept Nejire’s blasts on that level for harming Near High Ends. He punched Shigaraki with those blasts and said he didn’t even scratch his skin. Someone get the raws if they don’t like that translation.Mirio isn't on the same tier as Weakened AM though, right?
Well her attacks can destroy his Growth, which has comparable durability to Mirko.Ah. I don't personally consider her to be that high so didn't take it into account.
Lifting Strength doesn't equal Striking Strength. Those are different ways of unleashing force.If grabbing someone’s arm would instantly break it and leave it a twisted mess, punching them in the face should do the exact same to their facial bones. Explain why that did not happen.
Him grabbing Bakugo’s arm is not an LS feat, he is literally crushing it so hard it burst into blood around his palm. Wiki does not accept that as LS, otherwise fights would be won with Deku just grabbing someone with inferior LS and squeezing.Lifting Strength doesn't equal Striking Strength. Those are different ways of unleashing force.
Bakugo's skin being ripped by Shiggy's graze hit is just fine. That's just his surface layer skin at best, unless we have reason to believe that went deeper.
Also is there any reason to assume Shiggy's punch didn't break bones? We can't really see inside of them. Aizawa got his orbital floor broken by the Nomu and was like that for awhile. No reason Mirko and Suneater aren't in a similar boat as well. Considering I doubt they'll fight again, we're probably not seeing their injures.
The Burden of Proof lies on you to prove he should decapitated them with one punch or something. He just lacks the feats.