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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

People out here waiting for the 5th season of MHA, yet I'm out here waiting for One for All itself to roast Midoriya into next week. The 5th user of One for All gonna be like this:
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Like, Midoriya. Deadass, stop trying to break your bones every chapter. Against Shigaraki? Understandable, however. Literally maiming yourself on live television for the sake of forcing someone to use their full power so you can lose, and then further risking injury by forcing your body to go after Shigaraki despite knowing full damn well you're ass would be grass if he came after you again... In the words of Shoto Aizawa, that is Irrational.

And here we are wondering why U.A isn't attempting to teach Midoriya the importance of self-preservation.
See, here's the issue tho

OFA ENABLES this behavior from Midoriya. It is because he is irrational and breaks all his bones for no reason and nearly dies all the time that OFA stays with him. It ******* loves Midoriya for acting this way, like a "true hero." The predecessors will definitely chastise him for losing control of his emotions and going into a rage, as well as not beating AFO in the end, but on the whole, I doubt they will want him to change his behavior. Do they want him to master the power so he can do what he just did safely? Yes, but him willing to do it when he doesn't have control isn't exactly a deterrent for the quirk. They need someone with such a ridiculous high, near suicidal urge to do good in order to complete the quirk and end AFO.

That's why OFA is probably the stupidest, most ridiculous quirk Midoriya could ever have. He's a perfect fit for it in the best and worst ways possible, and the only person that could even potentially get him to calm down is himself or the users inside going against their main purpose to care for his health.

The worst part of all of this is that him breaking his bones has yet to truly fail him when he needs it. He obliterated Muscular, he beat Overhaul to a pulp the second he was free of consequence, Nine got his ass handed to him on a platter, and he beat the fear of god into Shigaraki while remaining untouched and controlling 3 quirks for the first time ever. When Deku goes all out, it works for his goal, so all he sees is that he needs to last longer. His body is the only thing holding him back.

Its not that no one teaches him self-preservation. Its that, when things are bad, he will never not see a reason to go all out and risk himself. Killing Shigaraki is essentially his life's goal right now, so he likely sees no issues whatsoever with what he did.
 
Midoriya's urge to be a hero and do good is higher than literally any other Shonen protagonists. It is a debilitating, mental disease that has resulted from his own inadequacy being suddenly reverted into what he believes is a grand role he has to play. He has, in less than 2 years, gained more than he's ever had in 14 years, and it shows in how terribly he handles his own life weighed against anything else.

Midoriya is the ultimate commentary on the side of this society that involves "wanting to be a hero." This world has drilled into his head what measures true worth, because he lacked it for all his life. So now that he has attained it, he does nothing but go all out with it at a rate that no one else can compete with. And the quirk that allows him to do this functions off that principle, that goal of being a hero, of protecting. It funnels power into him the more he asks for it. The more he wishes to save, the closer he becomes to the ideal, to All Might, to completing the quirk, to beating AFO, to letting others see the dawn of a new day, to finally having earned this chance.

Plus Ultra until death
 
See, here's the issue tho

OFA ENABLES this behavior from Midoriya. It is because he is irrational and breaks all his bones for no reason and nearly dies all the time that OFA stays with him. It ******* loves Midoriya for acting this way, like a "true hero." The predecessors will definitely chastise him for losing control of his emotions and going into a rage, as well as not beating AFO in the end, but on the whole, I doubt they will want him to change his behavior. Do they want him to master the power so he can do what he just did safely? Yes, but him willing to do it when he doesn't have control isn't exactly a deterrent for the quirk. They need someone with such a ridiculous high, near suicidal urge to do good in order to complete the quirk and end AFO.

That's why OFA is probably the stupidest, most ridiculous quirk Midoriya could ever have. He's a perfect fit for it in the best and worst ways possible, and the only person that could even potentially get him to calm down is himself or the users inside going against their main purpose to care for his health.

The worst part of all of this is that him breaking his bones has yet to truly fail him when he needs it. He obliterated Muscular, he beat Overhaul to a pulp the second he was free of consequence, Nine got his ass handed to him on a platter, and he beat the fear of god into Shigaraki while remaining untouched and controlling 3 quirks for the first time ever. When Deku goes all out, it works for his goal, so all he sees is that he needs to last longer. His body is the only thing holding him back.

Its not that no one teaches him self-preservation. Its that, when things are bad, he will never not see a reason to go all out and risk himself. Killing Shigaraki is essentially his life's goal right now, so he likely sees no issues whatsoever with what he did.
Well, someone is gonna have to teach the fear of god into Midoriya or his legs will be like his arms. It's gonna be either All Might, Banjo, Inko, Aizawa, or Bakugo himself. Would anyone like to place bets on who's roasting him?
 
Well, someone is gonna have to teach the fear of god into Midoriya or his legs will be like his arms. It's gonna be either All Might, Banjo, Inko, Aizawa, or Bakugo himself. Would anyone like to place bets on who's roasting him?
The issue though is that it doesn't matter who is going to tell him to slow down, cause he won't listen. He has to internalize his own worth as a person, but to do that would dampen his urge to save.

I fully believe that if his arms stop working, he will tear them off himself and replace them. That is the difference between Midoriya and anyone else that is self destructive or wants to be a hero. He doesn't care about himself, but refuses to die. He'll fight Shiggy and AFO at the same time with nothing but black whip coming out of his mouth if he has to.
 
See, here's the issue tho

OFA ENABLES this behavior from Midoriya. It is because he is irrational and breaks all his bones for no reason and nearly dies all the time that OFA stays with him. It ******* loves Midoriya for acting this way, like a "true hero." The predecessors will definitely chastise him for losing control of his emotions and going into a rage, as well as not beating AFO in the end, but on the whole, I doubt they will want him to change his behavior. Do they want him to master the power so he can do what he just did safely? Yes, but him willing to do it when he doesn't have control isn't exactly a deterrent for the quirk. They need someone with such a ridiculous high, near suicidal urge to do good in order to complete the quirk and end AFO.

That's why OFA is probably the stupidest, most ridiculous quirk Midoriya could ever have. He's a perfect fit for it in the best and worst ways possible, and the only person that could even potentially get him to calm down is himself or the users inside going against their main purpose to care for his health.

The worst part of all of this is that him breaking his bones has yet to truly fail him when he needs it. He obliterated Muscular, he beat Overhaul to a pulp the second he was free of consequence, Nine got his ass handed to him on a platter, and he beat the fear of god into Shigaraki while remaining untouched and controlling 3 quirks for the first time ever. When Deku goes all out, it works for his goal, so all he sees is that he needs to last longer. His body is the only thing holding him back.

Its not that no one teaches him self-preservation. Its that, when things are bad, he will never not see a reason to go all out and risk himself. Killing Shigaraki is essentially his life's goal right now, so he likely sees no issues whatsoever with what he did.
Since when did deku put the fear of god into shigaraki? Because if anything it was exact opposite. And I still think all for one is the most ridiculous quirk that ever exist because something like all for one just shouldn't exist.
 
Since when did deku put the fear of god into shigaraki? Because if anything it was exact opposite. And I still think all for one is the most ridiculous quirk that ever exist because something like all for one just shouldn't exist.
Shigaraki got absolutely rocked by Deku when he went 100%. He couldn't do anything to stop him other than defend and hope his regen carried him further than Deku's determination. We don't have a concrete answer on which would win out since Endeavor hopped in, though we do now know that Shigaraki's regen isn't infinite and will run out if hurt enough, while Deku hadn't even reached peak anger yet as evidenced from his berserker-like state.

Deku sees Shigaraki's strength, takes hits from him, even sees his mentors get brutalized by him, and only thinks "kill him, this is your duty, save them, win." He doesn't feel fear from Shigaraki when he goes all out, just anger. He doesn't fear anyone when it comes to protecting. Shigaraki is the one that got a reality check on how invincible he is against OFA, not Deku against AFO. Deku knows he's weaker and not ready. Shigaraki didn't, and even after realizing, still thought OFA was easy to handle, but was quickly proven wrong.

You can tell just by Shigaraki's face that he was more worried and frantic fighting Deku than he has been for any other part of the series. Usually he's just insane, cocky or unbothered when fighting. Vs Deku, he got hit with 100% once and had the smile on his face instantly wiped off before getting yeeted all across the sky like a ping pong ball with no way of fighting back that Deku didn't either maneuver around or punch away.
 
Shigaraki got absolutely rocked by Deku when he went 100%. He couldn't do anything to stop him other than defend and hope his regen carried him further than Deku's determination. We don't have a concrete answer on which would win out since Endeavor hopped in, though we do now know that Shigaraki's regen isn't infinite and will run out if hurt enough, while Deku hadn't even reached peak anger yet as evidenced from his berserker-like state.

Deku sees Shigaraki's strength, takes hits from him, even sees his mentors get brutalized by him, and only thinks "kill him, this is your duty, save them, win." He doesn't feel fear from Shigaraki when he goes all out, just anger. He doesn't fear anyone when it comes to protecting. Shigaraki is the one that got a reality check on how invincible he is against OFA, not Deku against AFO. Deku knows he's weaker and not ready. Shigaraki didn't, and even after realizing, still thought OFA was easy to handle, but was quickly proven wrong.

You can tell just by Shigaraki's face that he was more worried and frantic fighting Deku than he has been for any other part of the series. Usually he's just insane, cocky or unbothered when fighting. Vs Deku, he got hit with 100% once and had the smile on his face instantly wiped off before getting yeeted all across the sky like a ping pong ball with no way of fighting back that Deku didn't either maneuver around or punch away.
He couldn't do anything to stop him because his body was unstable and was acting up. With shigaraki regeneration deku was hurting him to the point that the regeneration couldn't keep up endeavor made this worse as well. One for all isn't invincible and while I don't know about shigaraki all for one looked like he was getting ready to laugh his butt off when he saw deku enraged.
 
Well I should note that Shiggy was keeping up pretty fairly while being bombarded with 100% smashes while Aizawa had him power nulled. It was really only after Shiggy's incomplete body started to take its toll and Izuku took the fight into the air that he started to be overwhelmed.

The smugness was also back when AFO's consciousness took over and a pilot with more experience took over.
 
Well I should note that Shiggy was keeping up pretty fairly while being bombarded with 100% smashes while Aizawa had him power nulled. It was really only after Shiggy's incomplete body started to take its toll and Izuku took the fight into the air that he started to be overwhelmed.

The smugness was also back when AFO's consciousness took over and a pilot with more experience took over.
He was never under Aizawa’s quirk when he got hit with 100%, outside of the one hit that nearly took his jaw completely off. After he got regen back, and his body started breaking while attempting to heal itself, he got beat up by 100% Deku with basically no difficulty whatsoever.

AFO was smug because he can handle Izuku like he did AM. Shiggy after that point was barely conscious the whole time and on deaths door. He would’ve died several times over without AFO using his body and quirks for him, and the AFO vestige is literally smug cockiness incarnate.
 
He was never under Aizawa’s quirk when he got hit with 100%, outside of the one hit that nearly took his jaw completely off. After he got regen back, and his body started breaking while attempting to heal itself, he got beat up by 100% Deku with basically no difficulty whatsoever.

AFO was smug because he can handle Izuku like he did AM. Shiggy after that point was barely conscious the whole time and on deaths door. He would’ve died several times over without AFO using his body and quirks for him, and the AFO vestige is literally smug cockiness incarnate.
Yeah but it was said that deku was still going to lose to shigaraki funny enough because like it was stated he can't beat someone with high level regeneration. And Thing is shigaraki basically just got all for one he clearly didn't know how to fully use it as good as afo did heck chapter 295 implies this. Notice how when all for one took over he handle deku easy like he was fodder.
 
He was never under Aizawa’s quirk when he got hit with 100%, outside of the one hit that nearly took his jaw completely off. After he got regen back, and his body started breaking while attempting to heal itself, he got beat up by 100% Deku with basically no difficulty whatsoever.

AFO was smug because he can handle Izuku like he did AM. Shiggy after that point was barely conscious the whole time and on deaths door. He would’ve died several times over without AFO using his body and quirks for him, and the AFO vestige is literally smug cockiness incarnate.
Didn't he like elbow Izuku in the stomach or some shit and made him cough up blood? I don't really remember too much since it's been a few months and I don't feel like reading through all of that stuff again. But I could've sworn that Shiggy was overwhelming Izuku at several points in time before his body just decided to turn into a blood fountain.

While yes, I do understand your point noting how Izuku fought to literal hell and back against shiggy, it is important to note that Shiggy arguably went through worse of a hell right before he got bashed. Shiggy was handicapped in several ways:

1.) His body was incomplete.
2.) Due to his body incompletion, his regeneration failed to work effectively and he was also passively hurting himself with the huge gashes and cracks in his skin.
3.) Shiggy, minutes ago just faced several bombardments from multiple high level heros using lethal force (most notably a vanishing fist straight to the gut from endeavor which did kill off most of his firepower)
4.) Shiggy is heavily inexperienced with AFO and barely knows a few of his options. Shiggy is also clearly inexperienced in the air and couldn't keep up with Deku's blackwhip air gymnastics class.

May I add that most of the bombardments he took while he had no regen from Aizawa's power null.
 
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Yeah but it was said that deku was still going to lose to shigaraki funny enough because like it was stated he can't beat someone with high level regeneration. And Thing is shigaraki basically just got all for one he clearly didn't know how to fully use it as good as afo did heck chapter 295 implies this. Notice how when all for one took over he handle deku easy like he was fodder.
That was a statement from Bakugo made cause he was more worried for Deku at that moment than literally anyone else. As Deku showed, as long as he doesn’t get interrupted by something like getting dragged into the vestige world, he’s just rage out and keep fighting for however long he wants. And AFO didn’t handle him like fodder, he just managed to touch his face to try and steal OFA, you’re acting like he was all of a sudden blitzing and tanking hits or something.

If we’re going by statements, Shigaraki himself said that regardless of his body being damaged or worn out or incomplete, OFA is still the biggest possible object in his way, and something he didn’t know how to handle.

Didn't he like elbow Izuku in the stomach or some shit and made him cough up blood? I don't really remember too much since it's been a few months and I don't feel like reading through all of that stuff again. But I could've sworn that Shiggy was overwhelming Izuku at several points in time before his body just decided to turn into a blood fountain.

While yes, I do understand your point noting how Izuku fought to literal hell and back against shiggy, it is important to note that Shiggy arguably went through worse of a hell right before he got bashed. Shiggy was handicapped in several ways:

1.) His body was incomplete.
2.) Due to his body incompletion, his regeneration failed to work effectively and he was also passively hurting himself with the huge gashes and cracks in his skin.
3.) Shiggy, minutes ago just faced several bombardments from multiple high level heros using lethal force (most notably a vanishing fist straight to the gut from endeavor which did kill off most of his firepower)
4.) Shiggy is heavily inexperienced with AFO and barely knows a few of his options. Shiggy is also clearly inexperienced in the air and couldn't keep up with Deku's blackwhip air gymnastics class.
30-45% is weaker than Shiggy, 100% is not. And after Izuku coughed up blood, he just got pissed off and fully restrained Shigaraki right after, then proceeded to tank an Air Cannon to the face before catching and yanking Shiggy mid air.

Im not saying Shigaraki wasn’t weakened by that point, but I am saying he underestimated OFA and got the shit kicked out of him with no effort when he tried to fight Deku in his condition.

Also, let’s not act like Deku has a perfect handle on OFA either. He has 3 other quirks inside him, has yet to fully master the 3 he’s using right now except maybe Black Whip, breaks every bone in his body when he moves, and has been training for 1 year, only 4 months of which he had black whip, compared to Shigaraki’s entire life training with AFO.

Neither of them were at full strength for their encounters this arc. It’s just Shiggy was on top first because Deku wasn’t going all out, then flipped to Deku on top when he did go all out and Shiggy started facing the repercussions of his own body.
 
That was a statement from Bakugo made cause he was more worried for Deku at that moment than literally anyone else. As Deku showed, as long as he doesn’t get interrupted by something like getting dragged into the vestige world, he’s just rage out and keep fighting for however long he wants. And AFO didn’t handle him like fodder, he just managed to touch his face to try and steal OFA, you’re acting like he was all of a sudden blitzing and tanking hits or something.

If we’re going by statements, Shigaraki himself said that regardless of his body being damaged or worn out or incomplete, OFA is still the biggest possible object in his way, and something he didn’t know how to handle.


30-45% is weaker than Shiggy, 100% is not. And after Izuku coughed up blood, he just got pissed off and fully restrained Shigaraki right after, then proceeded to tank an Air Cannon to the face before catching and yanking Shiggy mid air.

Im not saying Shigaraki wasn’t weakened by that point, but I am saying he underestimated OFA and got the shit kicked out of him with no effort when he tried to fight Deku in his condition.

Also, let’s not act like Deku has a perfect handle on OFA either. He has 3 other quirks inside him, has yet to fully master the 3 he’s using right now except maybe Black Whip, breaks every bone in his body when he moves, and has been training for 1 year, only 4 months of which he had black whip, compared to Shigaraki’s entire life training with AFO.

Neither of them were at full strength for their encounters this arc. It’s just Shiggy was on top first because Deku wasn’t going all out, then flipped to Deku on top when he did go all out and Shiggy started facing the repercussions of his own body.
If Midoriya had the ability to go Full Cowl at 100%, it would've been a rap. Shigaraki would've been a blood stain on the metaphorical pavement. Although, I'm intrigued to see them eventually go at it again if they fight later down the line. Only God knows what type of havoc they'll unleash.
 
If Midoriya had the ability to go Full Cowl at 100%, it would've been a rap. Shigaraki would've been a blood stain on the metaphorical pavement. Although, I'm intrigued to see them eventually go at it again if they fight later down the line. Only God knows what type of havoc they'll unleash.

I’m actually interested in whether Deku will be fighting AFO or Shiggy first. They’re both out and about, and Shiggy probably has to focus on recovery more than anything.

I’d really like to see Deku fight AFO himself, with Shiggy as the real final boss but amped out on every quirk AFO can give to him.
 
Shigaraki and Deku will have a competitive battle when they're both at their peak, that much is a guarantee.

The only real issue is speed. 30%-45% Deku was keeping up with Shigaraki, so logically, a 100% Deku would blitz. However, Shigaraki probably has a speed quirk that he wasn't able to use.
 
30-45% Deku was doing very little against Shigaraki. He needed 100% in order to overwhelm him when they were battling in the sky.
 
Speed Wise 30% Izuku was kinda blitz by Shigaraki alongside Bakugo, 45% was the one that could keep up with Shigaraki and outpaced Gran Torino.
 
He was still using 30%-45% (it seems we assume he's using 45% like how he did 20% in the past) while fighting Shigaraki speed-wise and was able to keep up with Shigaraki and even control the battle in the sky (although that has to do with the aid of his other quirks).
Which means, without any speed boosting quirks, Shigaraki is gonna get blitzed by Deku with higher percentage of OFA (unless Shiggy's halted body development means his speed was slower than the intended finished product).
 
I don't think the air battle had anything to do with speed. Shigaraki was restrained and being swung around, not a good position for him with his body literally falling apart.

At what point did 30% Izuku keep up with Shigaraki though?

In universe 45% is only slightly more than 2x slower than 100%, not the most massive difference in the world.
 
So we treat OFA as a linear speed boost instead of exponential now? Not that I'm complaining.

Deku being able to keep up with Shigaraki at 45% still means he can outpace him at 100%. 2x speed difference is already massive in MHA if I'm not mistaken.
 
I said in universe, which means I'm ignoring our calcs/standards. Also where is it stated a 2x speed difference is massive in story?

Since the story doesn't care about our calcs/standard, the speed difference we use is irrelevant to what may happen in the story.
 
Based on what happens in the story. Deku went from 5% to 8% and Bakugo already considered it a big increase in his perspective. Deku went from 8% to 20% against Overhaul and he became so fast, the only reason he didn't beat Chisaki was because of how telegraphed his movements were.

The story normally disregards or doesn't go into detail with lots of things, I'm only making an observation based on what we have seen. I'm not saying Hori will absolutely have 100% Deku blitz Shigaraki, especially because Shiggy will be 100% the next time they meet anyways.
 
Shigaraki and Deku will have a competitive battle when they're both at their peak, that much is a guarantee.

The only real issue is speed. 30%-45% Deku was keeping up with Shigaraki, so logically, a 100% Deku would blitz. However, Shigaraki probably has a speed quirk that he wasn't able to use.
Yeah but shigaraki kept on getting faster on that battlefield so who knows his real speed. And yeah I'm confident afo let shigaraki a speed quirk.
 
It was never stated that Chisaki was only able to keep up because of his telegraphed movements, just that his movements were easy to predict. No indication that if they weren't he'd be blitz by him.

Bakugo still blocked 8%, he couldn't dodge the kick but a block was still possible and he reacted to it. Despite saying he's way faster, Izuku wasn't shown to be blitzing faster. Izuku himself later says the increase was small.

"Normally, the boost from 5% to 8% wouldn't really be much. But in that instant, that small difference was enough..."
 
Also, let’s not act like Deku has a perfect handle on OFA either. He has 3 other quirks inside him, has yet to fully master the 3 he’s using right now except maybe Black Whip, breaks every bone in his body when he moves, and has been training for 1 year, only 4 months of which he had black whip, compared to Shigaraki’s entire life training with AFO.
I mean, blackwhip helps him control float and the danger sense quirk is a passive thing.
It’s just Shiggy was on top first because Deku wasn’t going all out, then flipped to Deku on top when he did go all out and Shiggy started facing the repercussions of his own body.
It flipped when Deku went all out against an already tolled Shiggy who literally couldn't stand straight moments ago and was rapidly declining in physical health due to his incomplete body. It also happened on a terrain which Shiggy has little to no experience fighting in (being high up into the air).
 
It was never stated that Chisaki was only able to keep up because of his telegraphed movements, just that his movements were easy to predict. No indication that if they weren't he'd be blitz by him.

Bakugo still blocked 8%, he couldn't dodge the kick but a block was still possible and he reacted to it. Despite saying he's way faster, Izuku wasn't shown to be blitzing faster. Izuku himself later says the increase was small.

"Normally, the boost from 5% to 8% wouldn't really be much. But in that instant, that small difference was enough..."
What would "wouldn't really be much" in this case be when he went from competing with Bakugo to completely whipping his ass? He almost couldn't react to that same kick you mentioned and once again only won in the end because Midoriya held back, and that his fighting style is predictable. Midoriya was extremely close to blitzing him.
 
Pardon me, he threw one kick and dodged one attack before they jumped into the air.

How was he close to blitzing him?
 
Pardon me, he threw one kick and dodged one attack before they jumped into the air.

How was he close to blitzing him?
You forget that at that point, Katsuki stated he had the advantage. I mean, he's the one which is airborne. It's not like Midoriya can pull an All Might and double jump using air pressure yet, let alone maneuver that well against someone who's in his natural territory.
 
...What does that have to do with blitzing, they jumped into the air. Izuku threw a 5% punch which caught Bakugou off guard, how is that blitzing or close to blitzing?
 
...What does that have to do with blitzing, they jumped into the air. Izuku threw a 5% punch which caught Bakugou off guard, how is that blitzing or close to blitzing?
It has everything to do with blitzing when you're at a rightful disadvantage in the air. Not to mention, how would a 5% punch be close to blitzing?
 
I don't understand what your saying. You said he was close to blitzing him, when nothing of the sort happened.

Izuku's 5% punch hit him because he was caught off guard, he was expecting a kick.

They jump into the air, Bakugo is ready for a kick, Izuku goes to 5% and throws a punch instead which takes him off guard. Where is the blitz here?
 
The only person who ever blitzed Bakugo is USJ Nomu. Now that I think of it, the speed difference was so massive back then cause the kids especially Bakugo were looking right at USJ Nomu yet couldn't even perceive him move. They were literally statues to him.

If current Shiggy is just as fast as USJ Nomu then while he's faster than Deku and Bakugo and almost tagged Bakugo with speed alone, they can still perceive him.

Another example of how fast they've gotten is Gran Torino and how he basically danced around 5% Deku but now Deku's even faster than that.
 
I don't understand what your saying. You said he was close to blitzing him, when nothing of the sort happened.

Izuku's 5% punch hit him because he was caught off guard, he was expecting a kick.

They jump into the air, Bakugo is ready for a kick, Izuku goes to 5% and throws a punch instead which takes him off guard. Where is the blitz here?
I'm saying 8% was close to blitzing him, not 5%. You can clearly see how Bakugo is barely able to react to Midoriya. He's noticeably slower. And I said he's close to blitzing him, not exact. As in, Bakugo's barely able to react to his attacks in time.
 
When did 8% get close to blitzing him, Izuku jumped up into the air and Bakugo followed. The only attack Izuku threw was a 5% punch, where is the blitz?
 
Yeah, 8% can't blitz Bakugo. In universe, the only characters to blitz Bakugo are USJ Nomu and exam arc All Might.

Bakugo has insane reactions so even if a character is faster than him, he can still perceive them. He had trouble reacting to 8% Deku but not to the point he couldn't defend himself.
 
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