My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

[Mapl3Sy4up]

@Acer__ @Mazdoesstuff Found a much better way to measure the rocks that Nine destroyed:

See that bush in the upper left? It's exactly the same bush in both scenes, use it to measure the rock formation that Nine destroys, and don't forget to take at least 30% of hollowness from the volume.

Ok I'll do it later

 

[Therefir]

Ok I'll do it later

Thanks.

Hey (I'm back), is it possible to calculate the energy required to change the weather in the regions that Tamaki affected?

It was calculated at 7-A+ to High 7-A if I remember correctly.

But that was using a height of 8 kilometers, this storm is unnaturally tall.

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

Thanks.

Another thing if I could, I recalc'd the sports festival explosion at 8-B, I'm not expecting it to be used but if you could check it for it's math that'd be nice

It was calculated at 7-A+ to High 7-A if I remember correctly.

But that was using a height of 8 kilometers, this storm is unnaturally tall.

Well damn I wanna see this (also no that was my tamaki pushing UA Calc, which damage doesnt want to be used)

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

@Therefir
I DID SOMETHING WRONG HELP

 

[TimmyTurnero]

I have a question about Afo, in the 1+ month time he was out of jail is it safe to assume he has gotten stronger/stronger quirks?
Endeavor can take attacks from Tomura/ harm Tomura level characters with physical attacks. They’re relative in durability.

Despite this, Afo with his rivet quirk, which is clearly more powerful than when he used it against all might, can rip off Endeavor’s arm which just isn’t possible unless he was vastly above all might level characters which isn’t true for Kamino Afo.

His variation of air canon is also vastly different than the one used in Kamino. Which would only make sense if the newer combination was stronger.

 

[TimmyTurnero]

It doesn’t really affect the scaling chain just a question I’ve had.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Also I see you deleted the scan showing how you supposedly counted 107 rocks, what happened?

I just updated the blog with the scan

So either the rocks are inconsistent between scenes, which I think it's the case since these rocks are not even bigger than Uraraka, or more rocks appeared out of thin air when Nine destroyed them.

Guess it’s just inconsistency

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

I could try scaling an individual rock to the bush and then multiply it by 107 like I did before

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

I could try scaling an individual rock to the bush and then multiply it by 107 like I did before

I already tried measuring it

You can uh, you can look at it in the "I did something wrong help" link

 

[TimmyTurnero]

@Therefir
I DID SOMETHING WRONG HELP

The entire thing isn’t a cone for starters isn’t a cone. Measure the part that represents a cone first, then for the other portion use 1/4th of a sphere

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Doing the bush method and actually multiplying it by the number of rocks instead of the total mass is giving me 12.14 Tons, or 8-B. A solid result.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Noticed hagakure has no weaknesses but she does technically have them (enhanced senses can sense her and she can be Exposed to the elements)

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

Doing the bush method and actually multiplying it by the number of rocks instead of the total mass is giving me 12.14 Tons, or 8-B. A solid result.

Fixing up the cone volume and using the method Timmy suggested gave me 29.455 tons in the end. Which is fairly satisfying. Close to the original in both v.frag and pulv end.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Noticed hagakure has no weaknesses but she does technically have them (enhanced senses can sense her and she can be Exposed to the elements)

First one isn't a weakness, that's just a special ability. Everyone is weak to enhanced senses in that case. That isn't what weakness means. Weakness is something that applies to you, something that effects you more than the average person. Humans can be burned by fire, but they don't have a weakness to fire.

But characters made of snow are easy to melt, and as such have a weakness to fire/heat.

Second one is valid though. In order to be completely invisible she has to remove her clothing which leaves her exposed. This is indeed a downside for her.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

First one isn't a weakness, that's just a special ability. Everyone is weak to enhanced senses in that case. That isn't what weakness means. Weakness is something that applies to you, something that effects you more than the average person. Humans can be burned by fire, but they don't have a weakness to fire.

But characters made of snow are easy to melt, and as such have a weakness to fire/heat.

Second one is valid though. In order to be completely invisible she has to remove her clothing which leaves her exposed. This is indeed a downside for her.

should we add the second one then

 

[Damage3245]

The official translation makes Shoji's line even worse. Apparently it's Spinner who is the one that is powerful enough to crack concrete now after he's gotten stronger.

 

[SuperStar]

The official translation makes Shoji's line even worse. Apparently it's Spinner who is the one that is powerful enough to crack concrete now after he's gotten stronger.

Outlier

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

The official translation makes Shoji's line even worse. Apparently it's Spinner who is the one that is powerful enough to crack concrete now after he's gotten stronger.

I mean he did it by jumping did he not that’s LS right

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

@Therefir

I did the way of measurement you wanted me too, put it somehow got a higher result even when accounting for atleast 30% hollow (19.14 vs 29.455), the only thing the original has higher is the pulverization value which is the unused end

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

,

First one isn't a weakness, that's just a special ability. Everyone is weak to enhanced senses in that case. That isn't what weakness means. Weakness is something that applies to you, something that effects you more than the average person. Humans can be burned by fire, but they don't have a weakness to fire.

But characters made of snow are easy to melt, and as such have a weakness to fire/heat.

Second one is valid though. In order to be completely invisible she has to remove her clothing which leaves her exposed. This is indeed a downside for her.

do you agree with the second valid weaknesss damage for toru?

 

[Damage3245]

The second one is a valid weakness.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Will someone add it then?

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

@Therefir

I did the way of measurement you wanted me too, put it somehow got a higher result even when accounting for atleast 70% hollow (19.14 vs 29.455), the only thing the original has higher is the pulverization value which is the unused end

I’m still worried that I did something very wrong here because of the higher result.

I mean I guess it can be be 50% hollow? But that makes it 21 tons

 

[Gitagon]

The official translation makes Shoji's line even worse. Apparently it's Spinner who is the one that is powerful enough to crack concrete now after he's gotten stronger.

I mean Spinner was just an ordinary guy before the extra quirks. I don't know how he is rated here but in-universe Spinner is at most peak human or something.

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

I mean Spinner was just an ordinary guy before the extra quirks. I don't know how he is rated here but in-universe Spinner is at most peak human or something.

That is true

but here he’s high 8-C at the moment

 

[TheRustyOne]

He should be Unknown, at least we seem to agree on that beforehand.

My excuse is that I'm lazy and don't care about him and Mandalay to justify getting those changes put through.

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

He should be Unknown, at least we seem to agree on that beforehand.

My excuse is that I'm lazy and don't care about him and Mandalay to justify getting those changes put through.

I want to get him vs armor spider done (because both are currently 2.7 and I find that funny) and then yeah we can do the change (It annoys Me when I don’t finish something I willingly started)

But I do think that they scale because people seem to think that pro heroes should have more durability and striking power than students

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

The official translation makes Shoji's line even worse. Apparently it's Spinner who is the one that is powerful enough to crack concrete now after he's gotten stronger.

I mean the High 8-C ratings being for AP and not DC makes sense. Like Aizawa can easily harm characters who can destroy buildings, but I doubt Aizawa can punch through a building with his fist

 

[InvisibleInternetMan]

But the way Spinner is displayed pre-AFO is that he's a peak human. He should neither be able to hurt people who destroy buildings nor destroy a building itself. Same with most of 1A actually. All of them scale to building level or whatever when they're probably peak human.

 

[TimmyTurnero]

@Therefir

I did the way of measurement you wanted me too, put it somehow got a higher result even when accounting for atleast 70% hollow (19.14 vs 29.455), the only thing the original has higher is the pulverization value which is the unused end

70% is a big extreme no?

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

70% is a big extreme no?

I meant to put 30 thanks for correcting me

 

[TimmyTurnero]

But the way Spinner is displayed pre-AFO is that he's a peak human. He should neither be able to hurt people who destroy buildings nor destroy a building itself. Same with most of 1A actually. All of them scale to building level or whatever when they're probably peak human.

What’s “peak human” in MHA? When you consider the fact that normal civilians who lack quirk training, and cannot develop their quirks (its illegal to use quirks) are naturally strong enough to rip apart buildings in their battle, I wouldn’t put building level=peak human (mha) past me.

According to Horikoshi, civilians doing this form of damage became a common occurrence in just 2 days.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Yeah I think it’s clear that normal humans in MHA are much stronger than humans in our world

 

[InvisibleInternetMan]

What’s “peak human” in MHA? When you consider the fact that normal civilians who lack quirk training, and cannot develop their quirks (its illegal to use quirks) are naturally strong enough to rip apart buildings in their battle, I wouldn’t put building level=peak human (mha) past me.

According to Horikoshi, civilians doing this form of damage became a common occurrence in just 2 days.

That's ignoring the quirk singularity theory and the existence of quirks themselves, as well as the fact that they're also fighting against villains who have used their abilities frequently and by the story's own statements are getting demolished. Even children in-verse can shoot cannonballs from their mouths or use energy attacks of some sort. Considering Shoji, an actual trained member of the most prestigious hero academy in the country had to use his strongest attack against Spinner and was surprised he could crack concrete, I highly doubt that average non-hero humans in MHA are building level physically.

 

[InvisibleInternetMan]

Oh yeah also forgetting support items which can easily tear apart concrete pillars. All the possible non-physical factors involved in a conflict like that means there's not nearly enough evidence for building level+ peak humans in MHA. Especially with all the antifeats

 

[Gitagon]

What’s “peak human” in MHA? When you consider the fact that normal civilians who lack quirk training, and cannot develop their quirks (its illegal to use quirks) are naturally strong enough to rip apart buildings in their battle, I wouldn’t put building level=peak human (mha) past me.

According to Horikoshi, civilians doing this form of damage became a common occurrence in just 2 days.

They are using quirks for this type of destruction. Peak human in MHA world just means a character without using any powers cause that's basically what Spinner is.

His quirk does not enhance his stats, he can only cling to walls. He doesn't even get any mutant "gains" where some are always as strong and don't have to turn their powers on and off like Tsuyu, Mirko, etc.

Aizawa, Toga, pre-surgery Shigaraki, Stain, etc are all good examples of how far/high a human can go in MHA world even without a quirk that specifically enhances physical stats. (Though I'm starting to doubt if Spinner was even at this level, maybe a level lower).

And I'm using "peak humans", in the way it is used in DC and Marvel not the real world. Obviously in DC and Marvel characters like Batman, Cap, Daredevil, etc all fit this title even though in the real world they would be downright superhuman. Which is a similar thing in MHA.

In-universe no one sees Aizawa fight and thinks he has superstrength even though he is launching huge guys 10s of meters into the air with just his regular punches.

 

[TheRustyOne]

I'd like to say that Endeavor also counts as this. Considering the sheer amount of crap he survives, despite being a normal human who's only ability is to generate/control his fire. There is no durability enhancements that come from his Quirk nor is such a thing acknowledged in universe.

Some people have baseless speculation or theories on why he's so durable, which can be fun to think about. But in terms of canon, such a thing has no backing.

I'll keep saying it but Spinner has no feats at all, so of course he can't even be at that level. All we got is him swinging a big jumble sword around against a featless Pro Hero. So I don't know why anyone would think Spinner is at any level above a normal MHA Human.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Yeah it makes no sense how Endeavor can withstand being kicked through buildings and skyscrapers, and he can survive attacks from characters that can destroy island-sized storms, all without a durability enhancing quirk

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Though it also doesn’t make sense that BASE Star and Stripe with no rule can withstand 7-C amounts of energy from the Tiamat Missiles and not take that much damage

Guess it just means that peak humans in MHA are different

 

[Damage3245]

Though it also doesn’t make sense that BASE Star and Stripe with no rule can withstand 7-C amounts of energy from the Tiamat Missiles and not take that much damage

Well, it's not like it's a fact that Star and Stripe is being hit with that amount of energy. That's the result of a calc that has a number of variables that aren't set in stone.