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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

Mazdoesstuff said:
Plasma has a value of 10^10 joules per m^3
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You aren't allowed to do that. I know the previous Number 6's calcs were rejected when using that value, due to lacking the proper justification needed.

You need to prove that the plasma he produced has a high energy density, and follows those type of physics. His plasma isn't explained at all, it's just the name of his attack which isn't good enough. Not all plasma applies for HED, so you cannot use that energy density for this. Not without proof it follows those type of physics.

Also Chimera melting or vaporizing ice doesn't scale to anyone, as temperature doesn't care for physical durability. Without a universal/shared energy source temperature related feats are completely worthlessly to calc. They can't be scale to anyone, and anyone hit by it won't scale to that energy value.
 
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TheRustyOne said:
You aren't allowed to do that. I know the previous Number 6's calcs were rejected when using that value, due to lacking the proper justification needed.

You need to prove that the plasma he produced has a high energy density, and follows those type of physics. His plasma isn't explained at all, it's just the name of his attack which isn't good enough. Not all plasma applies for HED, so you cannot use that energy density for this. Not without proof it follows those type of physics.

Also Chimera melting or vaporizing ice doesn't scale to anyone, as temperature doesn't care for physical durability. Without a universal/shared energy source temperature related feats are completely worthlessly to calc. They can't be scale to anyone, and anyone hit by it won't scale to that energy value.
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Yeah I was remembering that part about the plasma
I do wonder why lightning style isn’t allowed to use that, give that it’s literally stated to be highly combusting plasma, but Im not very smart so I’m not gonna question it (even if it would be cool if we Could)
 
Acer__ said:
I do wonder why lightning style isn’t allowed to use that, give that it’s literally stated to be highly combusting plasma, but Im not very smart so I’m not gonna question it (even if it would be cool if we Could)
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Because that formula is only meant for high energy density, which is very specific and needs evidence to be used.

Combusting Plasma doesn't equal high energy dense plasma. What Number 6 has is just normal plasma that explodes.

Wouldn't scale to anyone either, temperature energy meaning nothing. That energy can't scale to anyone. If I can have it my way Todoroki would just have High 8-C attack potency. Until he learns Flashfire Fist which scales to Endeavor's thrust. And remove all **** level against fire/ice attacks from the profiles.

Those ratings don't tell me the temperature of fire they resist.

A fire that is 1000 m^3 and has a temperature of 1200 degrees would have an energy of 300*919(1177) = 324498900 Joules or 0.077 Tons of TNT

But use a lower temperature and increase the size of the fire to 3000 m^3. 900*919(577) = 477236700 Joules or 0.114 Tons of TNT

See the issue? Even though the temperature is now much lower, the energy results is still higher than the first fire. However the first fire is 1200 degrees and the second one is 600 degrees. The first fire can melt copper (1085 degrees), while the second fire cannot melt copper.

The first fire is hotter and therefore can still melt/burn or damage things the "stronger" second fire cannot. This is why temperature energy value shouldn't be labeled unless there is a shared/universal energy source. Like being able to put the energy from the fire to strengthen your physical attacks would be great.

Being 7-C or Low 7-B with fire or ice means nothing. Doesn't tell me how hot or cold it is.

This is how I imagine redoing Todoroki's profile. And if you noticed I put the calcs for his temperature feats in his Feats section. Similar we can put down the feats of temperature his fire/ice have done, such as melting or freezing. I'd like to add Feats section and label temperature feats for Endeavor and other characters as well.

Also would be great if we can find a value to scale the Flashfreeze Heatwave too.
 
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TheRustyOne said:
Because that formula is only meant for high energy density, which is very specific and needs evidence to be used.

Combusting Plasma doesn't equal high energy dense plasma. What Number 6 has is just normal plasma that explodes.

Wouldn't scale to anyone either, temperature energy meaning nothing. That energy can't scale to anyone. If I can have it my way Todoroki would just have High 8-C attack potency. Until he learns Flashfire Fist which scales to Endeavor's thrust. And remove all **** level against fire/ice attacks from the profiles.

Those ratings don't tell me the temperature of fire they resist.

A fire that is 1000 m^3 and has a temperature of 1200 degrees would have an energy of 300*919(1177) = 324498900 Joules or 0.077 Tons of TNT

But use a lower temperature and increase the size of the fire to 3000 m^3. 900*919(577) = 477236700 Joules or 0.114 Tons of TNT

See the issue? Even though the temperature is now much lower, the energy results is still higher than the first fire. However the first fire is 1200 degrees and the second one is 600 degrees. The first fire can melt copper (1085 degrees), while the second fire cannot melt copper.

The first fire is hotter and therefore can still melt/burn or damage things the "stronger" second fire cannot. This is why temperature energy value shouldn't be labeled unless there is a shared/universal energy source. Like being able to put the energy from the fire to strengthen your physical attacks would be great.

Being 7-C or Low 7-B with fire or ice means nothing. Doesn't tell me how hot or cold it is.

This is how I imagine redoing Todoroki's profile. And if you noticed I put the calcs for his temperature feats in his Feats section. Similar we can put down the feats of temperature his fire/ice have done, such as melting or freezing. I'd like to add Feats section and label temperature feats for Endeavor and other characters as well.

Also would be great if we can find a value to scale the Flashfreeze Heatwave too.
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Ah ok
I’d feel good if we could find the KE of the heaven piercing ice wall.
Idk, just seems like a good starting point
 
That planned Shoto profile is very nice, Rusty.

Another heat scaling that should be scrutinized is Dabi melting Geten's ice, as it's being used for scaling. If we're being consistent with not counting that kind of feats it should be removed from Dabi's and Geten's AP section, and it won't really change much at all.
 
Metalballrun said:
That planned Shoto profile is very nice, Rusty.

Another heat scaling that should be scrutinized is Dabi melting Geten's ice, as it's being used for scaling. If we're being consistent with not counting that kind of feats it should be removed from Dabi's and Geten's AP section, and it won't really change much at all.
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Yeah Geten already has another 8-A feat that’s nearly just as high (or is it higher, idk)
 
Metalballrun said:
That planned Shoto profile is very nice, Rusty.

Another heat scaling that should be scrutinized is Dabi melting Geten's ice, as it's being used for scaling. If we're being consistent with not counting that kind of feats it should be removed from Dabi's and Geten's AP section, and it won't really change much at all.
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Yeah that really isn't needed. Dabi's flames can physical clash with Geten's 8-A ice, which even causes a shockwave that sent people flying.

That's fine enough for actual 8-A power for Dabi's Blueflame.

It being mention on Geten's profile is silly since he doesn't scale to the heat energy. And his own feat is higher anyway.
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
i think the fact that it's mostly action might hurt it. Im just hoping they choose to spend the money and time on the right fights.
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Yeah, we don't need high tier animation for most fights.

But Izuku vs Shigaraki needs to be amazing. Shigaraki getting turn into a paddle ball better look great.
 
Pretty sure the Flashfreeze Heatwave in the Sports Festival was calculated once, or someone attempted to, at least.

None of the proceeding Heatwaves later on were ever on the same scale as that, not counting anything from the 3rd movie as I haven't seen that yet.
 
Metalballrun said:
Pretty sure the Flashfreeze Heatwave in the Sports Festival was calculated once, or someone attempted to, at least.

None of the proceeding Heatwaves later on were ever on the same scale as that, not counting anything from the 3rd movie as I haven't seen that yet.
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Hard to calculate anything since Izuku is attacking at 100% and likely made a big shockwave as well.
 
Well, it is sus how Faux 100% can cross 200km "immediately" but 45% can't do it within at least twice or thrice slower?
Not that this necessarily is a ground for any downgrade, it's just OFA being inconsistent with its speed as much as it does with its AP.
 
Therefir said:
Chimera effortlessly overpowered Dark Shadow, Tailman, Sugarman, Red Riot, Tentacole, Cellophane's Tape, and Shoto's Ice.

Froppy and Ingenium being able to restraint him is an outlier.

Chimera is consistently portrayed to be physically much stronger than the heavy hitters of Class 1-A, that's why he is "At least High 8-C+", even in his base form.
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Teamwork makes the dreamwork
Therefir said:
Destroyed in seconds.

Hopefully people stop making wanked time frozen calcs.
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i still find it funny how easily you shredded these types of calcs
you think I could use the speed of a sloth to find Six’s speed instead of tortoise?
 
Metalballrun said:
Well, it is sus how Faux 100% can cross 200km "immediately" but 45% can't do it within at least twice or thrice slower?
Not that this necessarily is a ground for any downgrade, it's just OFA being inconsistent with its speed as much as it does with its AP.
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Horikoshi either doesn't know how percentages work or doesn't care about making them work like actual percentages. Which is why we don't treat them as such.
 
Metalballrun said:
Well, it is sus how Faux 100% can cross 200km "immediately" but 45% can't do it within at least twice or thrice slower?
Not that this necessarily is a ground for any downgrade, it's just OFA being inconsistent with its speed as much as it does with its AP.
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I guess it’s cause the wiki considers “immediately” as different than Deku does. We interpreted it as 5 seconds, but Hori could have a smaller timeframe in mind
 
TheRustyOne said:
Horikoshi either doesn't know how percentages work or doesn't care about making them work like actual percentages. Which is why we don't treat them as such.
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I'm not only talking about linear percentages.

Even if we assume 45% Deku is only as fast as the All Might feat in Vigilantes, which was 9km/s, he would still have the speed to reach UA in less than 23 seconds (or cross the 200km distance).

It's not too bad, it just means Deku got intercepted within that 23 seconds and that's why he wasn't at UA yet. I'm actually not sure which feat 45% scales to since All Might's Kamino key links to a Mach 60 calc while his Wounded key links to the Mach 26 calc FYI.
 
Metalballrun said:
It's not too bad, it just means Deku got intercepted within that 23 seconds and that's why he wasn't at UA yet. I'm actually not sure which feat 45% scales to since All Might's Kamino key links to a Mach 60 calc while his Wounded key links to the Mach 26 calc FYI.
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Mach 26 calc is just a supporting feat. If you read the verse page you can see what number everyone scales too, click on the notes tabber.

Please note: Scaling and ratings will be different in the future. We're still waiting before making revisions.
 
If you’re deku, and just found out that AFO has returned to his former strength and are an equal travel time between both battle fields, are you heading to Shiggy or AFO first?
 
Valiant_Abyss said:
If you’re deku, and just found out that AFO has returned to his former strength and are an equal travel time between both battle fields, are you heading to Shiggy or AFO first?
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Tomura is contained to an extent and depowered giving the heroes there a fighting chance. AFO has no restrictions on him currently and as far as intel goes, he doesn't have Super Regeneration which makes him easier to take out than Tomura. AFO also lacks the ability to steal OFA which is why he cultivated Tomura.

I'd head for AFO first. With those points up above, he is easier to take down and more risky to leave unchecked.
 
Valiant_Abyss said:
If you’re deku, and just found out that AFO has returned to his former strength and are an equal travel time between both battle fields, are you heading to Shiggy or AFO first?
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I’d go for Tomura first. Even quirkless Shigaraki can kill all the heroes present furthermore he’ll be virtually unbeatable without the trap. AFO will still be in Deku’s paygrade once things are over on top of that like Damage said, Shigaraki can take OFA while AFO can’t so deal with the bigger threat and leave the smaller one for later because AFO might go down but Tomura might just swoop in and steal OFA off a tired Deku.
 
Valiant_Abyss said:
If you’re deku, and just found out that AFO has returned to his former strength and are an equal travel time between both battle fields, are you heading to Shiggy or AFO first?
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It is a tough question to be honest, fighting Prime AFO, who knows what quirks he has up his sleeve? I would be going in blind, basically with no info, while Prime AFO knows all my quirks expect the last one. I would be at a disadvantage from the start, and the fight hasn't even begin yet. Prime AFO so far has no weakness I think, and my current arsenal is limited as of right now I think going after a depowered Shigiraki would be my best bet
 
AFO first definitely, simply cause there’s no telling who is going to die from him before you beat Shigaraki. It could take a while to defeat Shigaraki even with his quirks nullified, as shown in the war, so leaving Prime AFO up to just do whatever he wants, go wherever he wants and take whatever Quirks he wants seems like a far worse outcome.

There’s no one around to beat Prime AFO since literally no one expected him to level up in the middle of the fight. Shigaraki is being handled by the best possible group of people to handle him, while being contained. Even if there are casualties there, the people left can keep going to at least stall him. It’s a small group rather than a whole legion of heroes.

Bever in my life would I leave a free Prime AFO to skulk in the outskirts of the war, picking apart every hero and team I’ve constructed. He would go to every battlefield and ruin them, take quirks from the best heroes, and by the time you go to fight him, he’s way stronger than his Prime on top of having killed hundreds.

I would place my faith in the Shiggy team first, or at least accept that they might not be coming back due to the circumstances. That’s the faith Deku has tk have in the others; that they HAVE to do things without him while he takes out the biggest threats possible.

AFO is the biggest threat since no one has him contained or can match him. Shigaraki is contained, and even if he kills everyone in UA, it will take time and allow Deku ti actually beat one problem to immediately go to the next. With Faux 100%, he can be anywhere he wants instantly, so all that really matters is the time he needs to win a fight.
 
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