My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

[SuperStar]

Stain can keep pace with 5% Deku and can literally blitz Todoroki from a distance, who can keep up with Iida’s Recipro Burst, which blitzed that one vine girl

is that calc stacking?

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

is that calc stacking?

I don’t think so? Recipro Burst is blatantly FTE, and Todoroki was able to react to it but he couldn’t react to Stain’s attacks. 5% Deku is also relative to FTE Recipro Burst and Stain kept pace with him

 

[Earthyboy]

If we're talking about the Stain Arc, then I think it's worth mentioning this. I did this a while ago.

Basically; it's impossible for anyone to say 5% Deku isn't faster than sound anymore. Like, literally impossible.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

If we're talking about the Stain Arc, then I think it's worth mentioning this. I did this a while ago.

Basically; it's impossible for anyone to say 5% Deku isn't faster than sound anymore. Like, literally impossible.

W

I’m going to blog the Iida calc once I leave from the gym

 

[Earthyboy]

W

I have more stuff, I'm just too lazy to convert Google Doc's into sandboxes.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Iida turns into the Flash

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Here’s the calc, I’m gonna send this to CloverDragon

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

I have more stuff, I'm just too lazy to convert Google Doc's into sandboxes.

I see.
just use the copy paste keys

 

[Therefir]

Scaling Stain's running speed to the FTE Recipro Burst.

When the Recipro Burst was able to vastly outpace his movement and the reason why the calc even exist.

And the reason why Stain only has Hypersonic reactions and combat speed but not movement speed.

Maybe this would have worked if we had used his combat speed instead of his running speed.

But Stain's movement definitely doesn't scale from the Recipro Burst that nearly blitzed him.

That's why the original calc used Superhuman speed for Stain, he doesn't even scale from 5% in terms of movement speed, because he has never shown to move that quick.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Maybe this would have worked if we had used his combat speed instead of his running speed.

Shouldn’t Stain’s combat speed still be FTE tho? Regardless if I used combat speed of movement speed, Stain’s sword swing would still be 34.3 m/s

And the scale is complicated; Todoroki was able to somewhat keep up with Iida’s Recipro Burst while he literally couldn’t react to Stain’s swing

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

If I’m too badly out-argued I’m fine with using Superhuman speed, but I don’t see the issue with using Subsonic speeds since Stain’s actual slashes are FTE (He grazed 5% Deku)

 

[Therefir]

Of course, but Stain was running towards Shoto with his sword to the sides, he wasn't swinging it at him.

At least according to the anime, the manga doesn't make it clear.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Of course, but Stain was running towards Shoto with his sword to the sides, he wasn't swinging it at him.

At least according to the anime, the manga doesn't make it clear.

Wouldn’t Stain’s movement still be somewhat FTE tho? Obviously not on Recipro level, but Todoroki could react to Iida’s Recipro in the tournament, but he physically couldn’t react to Stain’s run

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Of course, but Stain was running towards Shoto with his sword to the sides, he wasn't swinging it at him.

At least according to the anime, the manga doesn't make it clear.

In the manga, it seems more like a slash; when Todoroki launches his fire attack, Stain dodges it and continues running, with his sword out of the frame, maybe behind him preparing for a slash. Then, when he reaches Todoroki, his sword is in a completely different position, so idk

 

[Therefir]

But he did react, Shoto just said he couldn't dodge it at that range.

Using Stain's combat speed would make even less sense, as it would mean that Iida's movement can blitz Stain's combat speed, when this is obviously not the case.

Using Stain's running speed, and then not scaling the results to him was the only reason the calc even got accepted during the times @Damage3245 was still active.

 

[Therefir]

Also, the anime is still far more official than any interpretation we can make of the scene.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Alright I’ll update the calc to mid end Superhuman then if that’s okay?

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Iida turns into the Flash

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Speed is now Mach 35

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Iida turns into the Flash

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Speed is now Mach 35

This would actually be fairly consistent considering Acer’s Mach 21 5% Deku calc got accepted

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

This would actually be fairly consistent considering Acer’s Mach 21 5% Deku calc got accepted

thats the mid end, low ends far more likely to get accepted if more people actually look at it (Most I've seen mods and calc group prefer low end).
That's only 7.7

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

thats the mid end, low ends far more likely to get accepted if more people actually look at it (Most I've seen mods and calc group prefer low end).
That's only 7.7

Didn’t the mid end already get accepted? I saw a comment on the post

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

Didn’t the mid end already get accepted? I saw a comment on the post

Yeah, but given that we're talking about it (and that others like to go and check) it's a chance

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

If Iida is stated to be stronger than base Deku, shouldn’t he be Class 5?

 

[Therefir]

Yes, he should.

Iida turns into the Flash

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I will let Dragon check this.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Yes.

Do we need to wait until all the big revisions or can that be revised now? It should be pretty small, I’ll see if it affects anyone

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Also would that affect Chimera’s LS too? While Iida couldn’t break free of Todoroki’s ice in the tournament, Chimera did so with minimal difficulty

Stain was also able to pin down Iida, even before he paralyzed him

 

[Therefir]

Chimera throwing giant rocks should give better results.

I will calculate it.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Nice also Re-Destro needs “At least Class 25” for restraining Shigaraki with one hand

 

[Therefir]

Nice also Re-Destro needs “At least Class 25” for restraining Shigaraki with one hand

Imagine being Low 6-B but only having Class 25 in lifting strength.

And that point leaving it at Unknown would feel less embarrassing.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Imagine being Low 6-B but only having Class 25 in lifting strength.

And that point leaving it at Unknown would feel less embarrassing.

It’s so sad but Re-Destro hasn’t performed any LS feats on his own, and MHA has so many Unknowns

 

[Sparkive]

Yeah, by the way, speaking of one of the unknowns, why do we have a profile of Ms. Joke? She is more inconsequential than Cammie (whom we at least saw use her quirk), and we deleted her profile a long time ago

a similar case with characters like Vlad King and Power Loader (in the whole manga they have only done one thing, we haven't seen them really fight, and they don't affect anyone's scaling, not to mention that Power Louder doesn't even have Natural Weaponry, the ability more obvious than it should has)

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

Imagine being Low 6-B but only having Class 25 in lifting strength.

And that point leaving it at Unknown would feel less embarrassing.

Genshin has it's 6-C / High 6-C God Tier (Raiden Shogun) with Class 5 Lmao

 

[Spinoirr]

Imagine being 2-C but having at least "Class G, likely Class T, possibly Far Higher" lifting strength

 

[CloverDragon03]

You know what this means? Endeavor can finally face the ultimate opponent... The Ice King!

Just wait until Uraraka starts scaling to the Near High-Ends with her Quirk Awakening.

Complete Shigaraki is going to be annoying to find battles for isn't he? Since with all of his growing hands capable of decay, getting to his real body without coming into contact with them will be difficult, especially to do it long enough to destroy his brain. At least not without stomping him with hax.

If Shigaraki's gonna be Low 6-B, I'd love to see a fight with Zagred

 

[Kingur_RG3]

Does anyone else have the feeling that the main fronts will be put on hold and we will finally move on to Aoyama vs Kunieda?

 

[Metalballrun]

The big AP calcs may end up looking like this.

Bakugo's Howitzer Impact: Cluster = 114.84 Gigatons of TNT (Large Island level)

Star and Stripe's Fist Bump to the Earth = 134.01 Gigatons of TNT (Large Island level)

Star and Stripe's Intercontinental Punch = 1.10 Teratons of TNT (Small Country level)

100% Joint Training Arc = 1.54 Teratons of TNT (Small Country level)

So... can you make this clear for me?

Are we really gonna treat the JT arc 100% Smash as stronger than Tiamat Missiles?
When 75% Shigaraki was capable of taking many of the former, but describes getting direct hit of the latter as a "fatal error"?

I dunno man, unless the ICBMs are somehow gonna be 6-B with a recalculation, this progression is so very sussy.

Shiggy ain't gonna run away from a 1.10 Teraton attack when he was apparently taking possibly dozens of 1.54 Teraton attacks while at a significantly weaker and depowered state.

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

So... can you make this clear for me?

Are we really gonna treat the JT arc 100% Smash as stronger than Tiamat Missiles?
When 75% Shigaraki was capable of taking many of the former, but describes getting direct hit of the latter as a "fatal error"?

I dunno man, unless the ICBMs are somehow gonna be 6-B with a recalculation, this progression is so very sussy.

idk man The Near High End Nomu that was being roasted Alongside Shigaraki managed to survive the attack and it's far weaker than he is.
I mean Therefir can try and wank the hell out of the cloud dispersal, but thats up to him

 

[Metalballrun]

idk man The Near High End Nomu that was being roasted Alongside Shigaraki managed to survive the attack and it's far weaker than he is.
I mean Therefir can try and wank the hell out of the cloud dispersal, but thats up to him

Yeah and it's been agreed that it doesn't fully scale to the explosion either. The Nomu probably would've died shortly after due to the damages it took anyways, IMO.

Though you can reopen that discussion and argue that the Nomu should fully scale, making him Small Country level in durability as well. Which means everyone who harmed a Near High End and a High End would be Low 6-B as well. Which means most of the High 6-C calcs should be disregarded in favor for this ratings, because most of their values are around 1/10th of what should be enough to harm the High Ends.

The discussions are gonna be interesting either way. It's funny that even this forum would be trashing Star and Stripe with the ratings she's gonna have relative to everyone else.

Or maybe not, since with this logic, Star and Stripe should be Low 6-B as well for harming Shigaraki, making her use of Tiamat pointless in the first place since they're relative in power.

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

Yeah and it's been agreed that it doesn't fully scale to the explosion either. The Nomu probably would've died shortly after due to the damages it took anyways, IMO.

Though you can reopen that discussion and argue that the Nomu should fully scale, making him Small Country level in durability as well. Which means everyone who harmed a Near High End and a High End would be Low 6-B as well. Which means most of the High 6-C calcs should be disregarded in favor for this ratings, because most of their values are around 1/10th of what should be enough to harm the High Ends.

The discussions are gonna be interesting either way. It's funny that even this forum would be trashing Star and Stripe with the ratings she's gonna have relative to everyone else.

yeah, it probably would have unless it had regen
honestly I do want to see what would happen if Therefir wanked the ICBTM Calc (idk used 5 seconds instead of 10), but like you know what can we do

 

[Metalballrun]

yeah, it probably would have unless it had regen

If Shigaraki/AFO considered making a mistake in that moment a fatal error I highly doubt super regeneration would've saved the Nomu, the damage dealt to it was severe.

We only decided to scale it somewhat to the explosion because its body remained somewhat intact, enough for Shigaraki to make it detonate and steal its quirk.

honestly I do want to see what would happen if Therefir wanked the ICBTM Calc (idk used 5 seconds instead of 10), but like you know what can we do

I honestly no longer have much thoughts to whatever tiers given to the characters.
I just don't think the scaling itself makes sense if JT 100% OFA and ICBM Tiamat have the same ratings (or in this case, the former even has a higher value).