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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

TheRustyOne said:
Hawks is using a sharp weapon, which "ignores durability" to an extent. Using a sharp weapon allows you to harm things with higher dura as that energy is focused into a smaller point.
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Yeah but in order to break a shield such as the mask, it needs a certain amount of kinetic energy behind it, regardless of the sharpness
 
Mazdoesstuff said:
Yeah but in order to break a shield such as the mask, it needs a certain amount of kinetic energy behind it, regardless of the sharpness
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KE is needed for everything, I don't see how me saying it was sharp means anything against KE. Without any KE nothing happens, doesn't matter how sharp something is. Can't break skin if it has absolutely zero kinetic energy.

However you need massively less energy than normal when using a sharp object. As all of that energy is focused into a far smaller surface area than a fist.

So Hawks doesn't need Tier 6 "physical" strength to break the mask. Case in point a mosquito can pierce your skin, despite having a kinetic energy value of 0.00000025 joules with its charge. Which is over 1000000X weaker than 1 joule. Yet they can still pierce into a human's skin.

Now this is a massive exaggeration, as a blade is nowhere as thin as a mosquito's needle. But do you understand the point I'm making? It's easier to crack the mask with repeated hits with sharp weapons for blunt weapons.
 
I don't think either Hawks' swords or AFO's mask should be "power scared" until we get actual info on them. They might not even be that special. I don't even know why AFO's mask is seen as that durable. It survived pretty much the same shit his clothes did.

And we don't power scale Shigaraki's pants either despite them surviving Hell Curtain, Prominence Burn, Keraunos, and even part of the ICBM's nuke-like power.

7B to 6C Shigaraki pants?

I think until we get actual confirmation that any of these items are even special we should just leave them be. Like Deku's compression gauntlets are obviously special and said to be but we know nothing of the new AFO mask or Hawks' swords.
 
Gitagon said:
I don't think either Hawks' swords or AFO's mask should be "power scared" until we get actual info on them. They might not even be that special. I don't even know why AFO's mask is seen as that durable. It survived pretty much the same shit his clothes did.
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Its because the mask has actually been subjected to being targeted as a weak point for him. And was shown to take a hit from All Might as well.

It doesn't follow the same rules as clothing. Especially since it actually protects AFO. As Hawks was confident he could kill him with a slash to his head, yet wasn't able to slice through his mask with one slash. And we have little reason to believe he couldn't do that.

Hawks has also shown the ability to stab AFO's arm, when he mutated it into that giant mouth thing that took Jirou's ear off. Hawks diverted the attack by stabbing into his arm and moving it aside. Though his lack of feathers made it impossible for him to fully deflect it. Too much for the limited amount of feathers he has.

He was also shown to be able to stab into Hood's arm with his feathers also. It's very consistent that Hawks' feathers/weapons can cause damage to these people. Just that physically he isn't anywhere close to them. Just an affect of his weapons being sharp.

Since his mask is important, it's something we can focus on. It isn't clothing, it's life support and seemingly armor as well. Though in all likelihood, Horikoshi just doesn't understand how surface area works. Same reason why bullets harming characters past Tier 9 is not seen as an anti-feat. Despite the piercing power of the bullet not being enough to pierce the surface area of a 9-A character's skin. Since fiction can do whatever the hell it wants.

This is all I'll say on this matter. As I don't really care about discussing this outside of the future CRT. Which is likely not happening for awhile.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Its because the mask has actually been subjected to being targeted as a weak point for him. And was shown to take a hit from All Might as well.

It doesn't follow the same rules as clothing. Especially since it actually protects AFO. As Hawks was confident he could kill him with a slash to his head, yet wasn't able to slice through his mask with one slash. And we have little reason to believe he couldn't do that.

Hawks has also shown the ability to stab AFO's arm, when he mutated it into that giant mouth thing that took Jirou's ear off. Hawks diverted the attack by stabbing into his arm and moving it aside. Though his lack of feathers made it impossible for him to fully deflect it. Too much for the limited amount of feathers he has.

He was also shown to be able to stab into Hood's arm with his feathers also. It's very consistent that Hawks' feathers/weapons can cause damage to these people. Just that physically he isn't anywhere close to them. Just an affect of his weapons being sharp.

Since his mask is important, it's something we can focus on. It isn't clothing, it's life support and seemingly armor as well. Though in all likelihood, Horikoshi just doesn't understand how surface area works. Same reason why bullets harming characters past Tier 9 is not seen as an anti-feat. Despite the piercing power of the bullet not being enough to pierce the surface area of a 9-A character's skin. Since fiction can do whatever the hell it wants.

This is all I'll say on this matter. As I don't really care about discussing this outside of the future CRT. Which is likely not happening for awhile.
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The mask never took a hit from All Might. It was broken with one punch.

Hawks also isn't known for having superstrength. Even if he is striking at super-speed, at most the force he would pack at that speed is what should be applied.

The sword and mask don't seem to be anything special in-universe. Like no one makes a big deal about them apart from saying the current mask is sturdier and obviously Hawks' struggles to break the mask cause he is physically on the weaker side. It doesn't mean mask is suddenly super-durable.

And you know all this tier 9 stuff is only on this site right. Horikoshi never said any of these characters have tier 9 durability or anything. That's just the results of fancalcs. Canonically, you need a durability enhancing quirk to tank bullets and not just that, the whole verse has a huge case of split durability for stuff like piercing, heat, cold, vibrations, light, electricity etc.

Even a single character can have widely varying stats within different parts of their bodies if their quirk only applies at specific areas like Rappa or Mirko.
 
Why was the Izuku page even split? Page splits do not typically occur unless a major timeskip happens or a series is split into parts itself.
 
Excluding the whole "awakening" thing or whatever. Bakugo isn't getting a new key, his Paranormal Liberation Arc key is just going to become a Final Act key. Since Bakugo during the battle with Jaku has literally no reason to be a key. Similar to how we don't have a key for Yakuza Arc Izuku or Kirishima.

We just use their farthest moment, the Joint Training Arc. Same here. So he is at most going to have one new key, assuming his "awakening" is actually important.

Hasn't been called that, but have no idea what else I'd call it. Todoroki's profile is just a complete mess.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Excluding the whole "awakening" thing or whatever. Bakugo isn't getting a new key, his Paranormal Liberation Arc key is just going to become a Final Act key.
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But Bakugou in the current war is stronger than he was in the PLF war. That’s why we made the distinction of PLF Bakugou staying 7-C while him in the current war would become 6-C+
 
Todoroki's ice wall shouldn't be a separate rating from Half-Cold Half Hot when both of his sides are equal to each other. The power of his right side is equal to what he can do with his left. The only difference is his level of control (First Key). Todoroki can't control his fire side as well so all he can do is unleash power without any control.

Ice Wall is just the absolute highest he can freeze, and we later see his absolute highest fire during the Joint Training Arc. Speaking of which.

Joint Training Arc and Endeavor Agency Arc keys should be 7-A+ via scaling to Endeavor. All Might directly says Todoroki's fire is on par with Endeavor. Note: That in the Joint Training Arc he doesn't hit Tetsutetsu with a Flashfire technique and his Endeavor level fire doesn't show any impact. So no 7-A+ physical durability for Tetsutetsu.

Just Heat Resistance.

However Endeavor Agency Todoroki is capable of using Flashfire Fist which is his max output, and we know his max output is on par with Endeavor. So his Flashfire Fist should be 7-A+ as well. I guess we can change this with the High 6-C upgrades later. I'd still like to discuss it here.

Because Leviathan did survive that attack, though it knocked him out. If this is agreed on, would we say he downscales to baseline 7-A or baseline 6-C+ for durability?
 
Mazdoesstuff said:
Yeah Tetsutetsu was literally melting by being in the vicinity of Todoroki’s fire, if Todoroki actually landed the hit he would have died
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Him melting has nothing to do with his physical durability.

Even if he was perfectly fine and it was stated/shown the heat wasn't doing anything to him, he doesn't scale.

He doesn't scale because Shoto never hit him with a Flashfire technique that carries physical impact.

You don't get a rating for "tanking" fire, just resistance. Endeavor's Hellflame and Flashfire Fist attacks are shown to carry force. Which is why they have a scalable rating.
 
I hope we get to see Shoto use more FlashFire moves before series endgame. A Prominence Burn from Shoto or Hell Curtain, Vanishing Fist, Hell Spider outside the movies, etc.
 
I want Shoto to make his own Flashfire moves. Maybe he makes a sword out of flashfire and compresses it to be so hot that it incinerates anything on impact
 
TheRustyOne said:
Excluding the whole "awakening" thing or whatever. Bakugo isn't getting a new key, his Paranormal Liberation Arc key is just going to become a Final Act key. Since Bakugo during the battle with Jaku has literally no reason to be a key. Similar to how we don't have a key for Yakuza Arc Izuku or Kirishima.

We just use their farthest moment, the Joint Training Arc. Same here. So he is at most going to have one new key, assuming his "awakening" is actually important.

Hasn't been called that, but have no idea what else I'd call it. Todoroki's profile is just a complete mess.
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If there weren't any changes in Bakugo's base stats and he only really got Cluster, then yeah, his Paranormal Liberation Arc key should just be a part his Final Act key.

The way we treat temperature feats has always been a mess in general, its application varying depending on who's asked.
Sometimes the AP is strictly only when Flashfire has physical impact. Sometimes the temperature feat only needs to hurt a character of specific Durability for them to scale.
This isn't limited to MHA, it happens all the time.

TheRustyOne said:
Pretty sure Jet Kindling/Burn are the exact same move
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I know, that's what I was referencing.
 
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