My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

[TheRustyOne]

Re-Destro would be scaling to Edgeshot, who scales to Mirko's durability. Who can survive a 170+ GT throw, but would've been unable to move afterward. So it'd incapacitate her. And we saw the damage it did to her despite cushioning the impact with her legs.

Also when we see Mirko she's bleeding from her head, the shockwave attack Shigaraki hit them with did harm her. So that means Bakugo, Edgeshot, and Mirko have comparable durability. As all three of them were hit by that attack.

But I believe baseline 6-C+ (52.15 GT) is a better fit than baseline High 6-C (100 GT). Feel like High 6-C puts them too close to attacks that incapacitate them.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

I mean Mineta is also my least favorite character in MHA by far

look up Ron the death eater trope on the ymmv for mha aka good character is bad in fanfic. (Make him look bad)


it says fanfiction will make mineta a transphobe or both transphobic and homophobic

cause they hate him just that much.

Also don’t forget to check the Draco in leather pants trope in ymmv section of MHA too.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Re-Destro would be scaling to Edgeshot, who scales to Mirko's durability. Who can survive a 170+ GT throw, but would've been unable to move afterward. So it'd incapacitate her. And we saw the damage it did to her despite cushioning the impact with her legs.

Would Tokoyami scale then? He did manage to overpower Re-Destro. Although Re-Destro was weakened, I feel like it shows some display of comparability

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

If you guys don’t want to look it up I’ll post it here

Spoiler: Draco in leather pants trope for MHA on TV Tropes

• Stain. While he has valid points about the shortcomings of the current hero system, he ends up attacking or even murdering heroes who fall short of his standards, like when he ends the genuinely heroic Ingenium's career, and nearly kills Ingenium's younger brother (who, while blinded by revenge, came to his senses with Midoriya and Todoroki's help).
• Shigaraki has his fair share of fangirls, especially after his woobie traits have been revealed. A lot of his fans went on to forgive his murderous rage against a bunch of fifteen year olds because of this.
• Bakugo gets this treatment from some fans, particularly those who ship him with other characters (Midoriya in particular, but to a lesser extent when he's shipped with others as well). Midoriya seems to be guilty of giving this treatment to Bakugo as well if you consider he always goes out of his way to excuse Bakugo's behaviour towards him. It's also common for some fanfics to portray his relationship with Midoriya, when not romantic, infinitely more amicable than what it really is, sometimes even as Vitriolic Best Buds, and both of them often recurring to each other as an advisor or confidant. A particularly odd little trend that's especially popular on Tumblr is claiming that Bakugo's anger at Midoriya is completely understandable, if not justified, as Bakugo spent years training with his Quirk and becoming stronger so he could reach the top only to be usurped and ultimately end up in the shadow of his rival who was once powerless. This completely ignores the fact that Bakugo bullied Midoriya viciously before Midoriya inherited One For All and also comes with the
  
  rather disturbing side-effect of making it sound as though the continued bullying afterward is Midoriya's fault.
• Dabi has his fans if only due to Evil Is Cool and his interesting design. The theory that he's related to Todoroki and/or Midoriya has also helped somewhat (as many expected, he's Endeavor's son Toya). His fans somewhat expect him to get revenge against Endeavor and get away with it.
• Gentle and La Brava got this a lot. While both of their stories are tragic and sympathetic, people often ignore the fact that they are still criminals. Some even go as far as say that Midoriya is the one being the jerk in that situation for not letting Gentle go on with his dream and that he is the true hero there. However, Gentle's selfishness has also been pointed out, as he admits to be willing to destroy Eri's chance at learning how to smile, as well as all of the work that the heroes-in-training put into the U.A. Cultural Festival, simply just to get some sort of attention.
• Endeavor. Since the start of his redemption arc, many fans have taken to glorifying him and generally demonizing all of his family, denying he was ever abusive to begin with.
• On the other side of that fence, Rei Todoroki also gets some of this. While she's undeniably a victim of Endeavor's abuse, some fans act as though she's purely a victim and ignore or gloss over her dumping boiling water on her five-year-old son's face. Some go so far as to claim that she shouldn't have experienced any consequences from said action.
• To a minor extent, but though he does care about them, Aizawa can be a real jerk to his students at times, but his more diehard fans tend to excuse every single thing he does/says towards them, even when he's being way harsher than he needs to or messing with them for his own amusement.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Here’s the list of Ron the death eater characters in MHA

cause they just hate these heroes

Spoiler: Ron the death eater for MHA

• Mineta. Since a lot of fans hate him he often gets portrayed as even more unlikable, idiotic, incompetent and perverted than what he actually is. He is indeed one of the characters from Class 1-A that needs the most Character Developmentand training, but fanworks tend to make him a lost cause. Fanfics with Ho Yay pairings have gone as far as to portray him as a homophobe. Some works also portray him as a transphobe, and some even combine the two. (However, there is a fic where he responds to Bakugo's coming out as a girl with a joyous proclamation of "Yes! Another set of boobs in the world!")
• Hisashi Midoriya, Izuku's father, is frequently portrayed as being as abusive and neglectful as Endeavor if not an outright villain despite not having a single onscreen appearance, usually as part of a Die for Our Ship to push All Might or Aizawa towards Inko.
• Bakugo gets this, to a certain degree, given how cruel he was earlier in the series, but sometimes his cruelty is overamplified, despite the character development he has been put through as the manga progressed and his haters tend to pretend he has no redeeming qualities.
• On the flipside, some fans who want Bakugo to look better than he was will try to demonize Midoriya somehow, a common one being to portray him as an annoying or even creepy Stalker Without a Crush, justifying Bakugo's actions by saying he wouldn't have had to bully Deku if the latter just left him alone — barring the obviously disturbing implications there, this also undermines the aforementioned character development on Bakugo's part by presenting him as blameless and sympathetic from the start and not as a flawed person who needed to learn to be better.
• Endeavor's Draco in Leather Pants status has caused some fans to demonize his family. Since Natsuo is particularly vocal in his refusal to forgive Endeavor, he is a frequent target and gets demonized into an Ungrateful Bastard with an Irrational Hatred for his father.
• There are fans who claim Rei is just as much of an Abusive Parent as Endeavor since she scarred Shoto's face with boiling water. This ignores that it was a Moment of Weakness (as opposed to part of a pattern) she immediately regretted that came as a result of her husband's abuse hurting her mental state. Another claim is that she was willingly complicit in his abuse of their children and did nothing to stop it. While Rei was a Useless Bystander Parent to an extent, it was shown that she did try to protect Shoto from Endeavor, but his abuse also extended to her and made it harder for her to fight back.
• As mentioned in the Fandom-Specific Plot page, it's common for Midoriya to be a villain, generally under All For One, though this is less of a hate towards the character and more due to the very concept being interesting, as well as his origin story being a tragic one, almost to the point of bordering on Tragic Villain.
• Bakugo's parents, Mitsuki and Masaru, are sometimes portrayed as abusive to Endeavor's degree, with Mitsuki being actively abusive and Masaru being a Useless Bystander Parent. This is due to some fans not taking lightly how Mitsuki has taken to physically disciplining her son after his kidnapping. Some of Bakugo's fans also believe that it is this supposed abuse that made Bakugo such an angered and hateful person to begin with (e.g. when he proposes forcing the Masegaki kids into submission, he remarks that was how he was raised), even though the manga went to lengths to explain that it had nothing to do with his parents, aside from the fact that they failed to notice their kid was becoming a Jerkass.
• Monoma is a Jerkass in-universe, but many fan works exaggerate this, making him more cruel than he actually is. In some cases, he’s simply portrayed as a one-dimensional Butt-Monkey, but other works go as far as to turn him into a Complete Monster, having him do extreme things like mocking people for mourning another person’s death. His Hidden Depths are rarely shown, and most of the time, he is portrayed as the villain of the story, bullying either Midoriya or Bakugo or anyone in Class 1-A without an ounce of sympathy.
• Even Inko isn't safe from this trope, despite being a loving mother and a complete sweetheart. It doesn't seem to be out of dislike for her character personally, but some fanfics will turn her into an abusive parent to make Izuku's life more depressing for whatever reason.
• The Meta Liberation Army are villains in canon primary defined by the idea of using their powers without legal restriction, but in fanfics they have quickly become a go-to group for Quirkless discrimination and mistreatment. On top of this aspect of canon being greatly amplified by fanfics than what canon ever showed, this entire concept applies to the Meta Liberation Army entire from one line by Geten about society being measured by the strength of one's Meta ability, taking a one off line from a non-leader of the group and making the entire organization and linked groups hostile to the Quirkless in everything from being a hero to basic human rights.

 

[Therefir]

It's kind of funny how after Dark Shadow Ragnarok was hyped so much throughout the story he ends up being easily overpowered by an extremely tired 45% Deku.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

It's kind of funny how after Dark Shadow Ragnarok was hyped so much throughout the story he ends up being easily overpowered by an extremely tired 45% Deku.

Disappointing honestly, considering Tokoyami is the most impressive character outside of the Big 3 of 1-A. I’d expect him to at least give Deku somewhat of a run for his money at 45%

 

[TheRustyOne]

Would Tokoyami scale then? He did manage to overpower Re-Destro. Although Re-Destro was weakened, I feel like it shows some display of comparability

Dark Shadow did not overpower him.

I've said this many times and I'll say it again. Re-Destro did not launch an attack. He stood his ground and went to stop Dark Shadow's charge. He was indeed stopping and overpowering the charge actually. Tokoyami stated he almost stopped it, but Re-Destro's fake legs broke because they couldn't withstand the force.

Dark Shadow does not scale to Re-Destro, as Re-Destro was responding to Dark Shadow's attack, not the other way around. Which would be grounds for scaling.

It's basically implied that Re-Destro would've stopped Dark Shadow had his legs not broken. And we weren't shown if he was hurt either.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

if you guys read the tropes and spoilers.

i also wanted to bring this up.

because #GrapeLivesDoNotMatter

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Nonetheless shouldn’t Re-Destro and Edgeshot both be High Hypersonic? Re-Destro reacted to Tokoyami’s charge and Edgeshot kept up with Re-Destro

 

[TheRustyOne]

Nonetheless shouldn’t Re-Destro and Edgeshot both be High Hypersonic? Re-Destro reacted to Tokoyami’s charge and Edgeshot kept up with Re-Destro

Edgeshot will be scaling to Shigaraki's Growth, which is able to keep up with Mirko. And Edgeshot was shown to move as fast as Mirko and vice versa. For obvious reasons we're waiting before changing any profiles. We also don't know if Re-Destro ever landed a direct hit, or if he injured Edgeshot with AOE attacks.

So I think if he is scaling, it'd be a possibly rating at best. Since we never see him land a hit on Edgeshot or dodge an attack from him.

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

Imao Mineta is a far better character than Meliodas could ever be.

Let me guess: Seven Deadly Sins didn't stick the landing with its ending (for context, I've only watched the first season of the anime).

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Tbh comparing Mineta to Meliodas is comparing garbage to a landfill. Not really much of an accomplishment for Mineta to be better

 

[sanicspood]

damn

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Mineta is also cuter than Meliodas.

 

[SuperStar]

Mineta is also cuter than Meliodas.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

look up Ron the death eater trope on the ymmv for mha aka good character is bad in fanfic. (Make him look bad)


it says fanfiction will make mineta a transphobe or both transphobic and homophobic

cause they hate him just that much.

Also don’t forget to check the Draco in leather pants trope in ymmv section of MHA too.

look up Ron the death eater trope on the ymmv for mha aka good character is bad in fanfic. (Make him look bad)


it says fanfiction will make mineta a transphobe or both transphobic and homophobic

cause they hate him just that much.

Also don’t forget to check the Draco in leather pants trope in ymmv section of MHA too.

If you guys don’t want to look it up I’ll post it here

Spoiler: Draco in leather pants trope for MHA on TV Tropes

• Stain. While he has valid points about the shortcomings of the current hero system, he ends up attacking or even murdering heroes who fall short of his standards, like when he ends the genuinely heroic Ingenium's career, and nearly kills Ingenium's younger brother (who, while blinded by revenge, came to his senses with Midoriya and Todoroki's help).
• Shigaraki has his fair share of fangirls, especially after his woobie traits have been revealed. A lot of his fans went on to forgive his murderous rage against a bunch of fifteen year olds because of this.
• Bakugo gets this treatment from some fans, particularly those who ship him with other characters (Midoriya in particular, but to a lesser extent when he's shipped with others as well). Midoriya seems to be guilty of giving this treatment to Bakugo as well if you consider he always goes out of his way to excuse Bakugo's behaviour towards him. It's also common for some fanfics to portray his relationship with Midoriya, when not romantic, infinitely more amicable than what it really is, sometimes even as Vitriolic Best Buds, and both of them often recurring to each other as an advisor or confidant. A particularly odd little trend that's especially popular on Tumblr is claiming that Bakugo's anger at Midoriya is completely understandable, if not justified, as Bakugo spent years training with his Quirk and becoming stronger so he could reach the top only to be usurped and ultimately end up in the shadow of his rival who was once powerless. This completely ignores the fact that Bakugo bullied Midoriya viciously before Midoriya inherited One For All and also comes with the
  
  rather disturbing side-effect of making it sound as though the continued bullying afterward is Midoriya's fault.
• Dabi has his fans if only due to Evil Is Cool and his interesting design. The theory that he's related to Todoroki and/or Midoriya has also helped somewhat (as many expected, he's Endeavor's son Toya). His fans somewhat expect him to get revenge against Endeavor and get away with it.
• Gentle and La Brava got this a lot. While both of their stories are tragic and sympathetic, people often ignore the fact that they are still criminals. Some even go as far as say that Midoriya is the one being the jerk in that situation for not letting Gentle go on with his dream and that he is the true hero there. However, Gentle's selfishness has also been pointed out, as he admits to be willing to destroy Eri's chance at learning how to smile, as well as all of the work that the heroes-in-training put into the U.A. Cultural Festival, simply just to get some sort of attention.
• Endeavor. Since the start of his redemption arc, many fans have taken to glorifying him and generally demonizing all of his family, denying he was ever abusive to begin with.
• On the other side of that fence, Rei Todoroki also gets some of this. While she's undeniably a victim of Endeavor's abuse, some fans act as though she's purely a victim and ignore or gloss over her dumping boiling water on her five-year-old son's face. Some go so far as to claim that she shouldn't have experienced any consequences from said action.
• To a minor extent, but though he does care about them, Aizawa can be a real jerk to his students at times, but his more diehard fans tend to excuse every single thing he does/says towards them, even when he's being way harsher than he needs to or messing with them for his own amusement.

Here’s the list of Ron the death eater characters in MHA

cause they just hate these heroes

Spoiler: Ron the death eater for MHA

• Mineta. Since a lot of fans hate him he often gets portrayed as even more unlikable, idiotic, incompetent and perverted than what he actually is. He is indeed one of the characters from Class 1-A that needs the most Character Developmentand training, but fanworks tend to make him a lost cause. Fanfics with Ho Yay pairings have gone as far as to portray him as a homophobe. Some works also portray him as a transphobe, and some even combine the two. (However, there is a fic where he responds to Bakugo's coming out as a girl with a joyous proclamation of "Yes! Another set of boobs in the world!")
• Hisashi Midoriya, Izuku's father, is frequently portrayed as being as abusive and neglectful as Endeavor if not an outright villain despite not having a single onscreen appearance, usually as part of a Die for Our Ship to push All Might or Aizawa towards Inko.
• Bakugo gets this, to a certain degree, given how cruel he was earlier in the series, but sometimes his cruelty is overamplified, despite the character development he has been put through as the manga progressed and his haters tend to pretend he has no redeeming qualities.
• On the flipside, some fans who want Bakugo to look better than he was will try to demonize Midoriya somehow, a common one being to portray him as an annoying or even creepy Stalker Without a Crush, justifying Bakugo's actions by saying he wouldn't have had to bully Deku if the latter just left him alone — barring the obviously disturbing implications there, this also undermines the aforementioned character development on Bakugo's part by presenting him as blameless and sympathetic from the start and not as a flawed person who needed to learn to be better.
• Endeavor's Draco in Leather Pants status has caused some fans to demonize his family. Since Natsuo is particularly vocal in his refusal to forgive Endeavor, he is a frequent target and gets demonized into an Ungrateful Bastard with an Irrational Hatred for his father.
• There are fans who claim Rei is just as much of an Abusive Parent as Endeavor since she scarred Shoto's face with boiling water. This ignores that it was a Moment of Weakness (as opposed to part of a pattern) she immediately regretted that came as a result of her husband's abuse hurting her mental state. Another claim is that she was willingly complicit in his abuse of their children and did nothing to stop it. While Rei was a Useless Bystander Parent to an extent, it was shown that she did try to protect Shoto from Endeavor, but his abuse also extended to her and made it harder for her to fight back.
• As mentioned in the Fandom-Specific Plot page, it's common for Midoriya to be a villain, generally under All For One, though this is less of a hate towards the character and more due to the very concept being interesting, as well as his origin story being a tragic one, almost to the point of bordering on Tragic Villain.
• Bakugo's parents, Mitsuki and Masaru, are sometimes portrayed as abusive to Endeavor's degree, with Mitsuki being actively abusive and Masaru being a Useless Bystander Parent. This is due to some fans not taking lightly how Mitsuki has taken to physically disciplining her son after his kidnapping. Some of Bakugo's fans also believe that it is this supposed abuse that made Bakugo such an angered and hateful person to begin with (e.g. when he proposes forcing the Masegaki kids into submission, he remarks that was how he was raised), even though the manga went to lengths to explain that it had nothing to do with his parents, aside from the fact that they failed to notice their kid was becoming a Jerkass.
• Monoma is a Jerkass in-universe, but many fan works exaggerate this, making him more cruel than he actually is. In some cases, he’s simply portrayed as a one-dimensional Butt-Monkey, but other works go as far as to turn him into a Complete Monster, having him do extreme things like mocking people for mourning another person’s death. His Hidden Depths are rarely shown, and most of the time, he is portrayed as the villain of the story, bullying either Midoriya or Bakugo or anyone in Class 1-A without an ounce of sympathy.
• Even Inko isn't safe from this trope, despite being a loving mother and a complete sweetheart. It doesn't seem to be out of dislike for her character personally, but some fanfics will turn her into an abusive parent to make Izuku's life more depressing for whatever reason.
• The Meta Liberation Army are villains in canon primary defined by the idea of using their powers without legal restriction, but in fanfics they have quickly become a go-to group for Quirkless discrimination and mistreatment. On top of this aspect of canon being greatly amplified by fanfics than what canon ever showed, this entire concept applies to the Meta Liberation Army entire from one line by Geten about society being measured by the strength of one's Meta ability, taking a one off line from a non-leader of the group and making the entire organization and linked groups hostile to the Quirkless in everything from being a hero to basic human rights.

what about this stuff I said regarding mineta and other characters?

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

what about this stuff I said regarding mineta and other characters?

I dont know how to respond to all of it (The Mineta one "Yes another pair of boobs" is funny) Mineta and pervert characters in general just make me generally uncomfortable, so I dont really pay attention to most posts about him (I just read the cringy fanfics for fun honestly)

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Yeah pervert characters in general are absolutely awful but I can allow some characters like Sanji, because some characters have other redeeming aspects to them (sanji is my fav OP character). Mineta has literally nothing going for him besides being weird

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Yeah pervert characters in general are absolutely awful but I can allow some characters like Sanji, because some characters have other redeeming aspects to them (sanji is my fav OP character). Mineta has literally nothing going for him besides being weird

Is this why grape lives do not matter?

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

Is this why grape lives do not matter?

Yeah, specially the things like him with tsu during the USJ, that made me vomit in my mouth a bit

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Mineta hasn’t been that bad an offender after the Sports Festival, which was where a lot of tonal changes for MHA began. He’s been more respectable and had cool moments even. In comparison to Meliodas or other pervert characters, I’d say he’s not even remotely close other than being creepy at times and just an overly horny teen boy at others.

But his comment to Eri was the worst thing he’s ever done and I will never defend him for it or take back my disdain. Absolutely not ok with that.

Him likely being in love with Deku is still funny and surprising to me though.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Also was reading some chapters, just noticed that Uraraka reacted to Todoroki’s flash freeze heatwave propelling Bakugo and Iida. Upgrade time when.

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

Mineta hasn’t been that bad an offender after the Sports Festival, which was where a lot of tonal changes for MHA began. He’s been more respectable and had cool moments even. In comparison to Meliodas or other pervert characters, I’d say he’s not even remotely close other than being creepy at times and just an overly horny teen boy at others.

But his comment to Eri was the worst thing he’s ever done and I will never defend him for it or take back my disdain. Absolutely not ok with that.

Same opinion, just mostly that I still find those actions very uncomfortable, though thats just how I am with perv characters

 

[Baken384]

Yeah pervert characters in general are absolutely awful but I can allow some characters like Sanji, because some characters have other redeeming aspects to them (sanji is my fav OP character). Mineta has literally nothing going for him besides being weird

Goated Sanji enjoyer

 

[InvisibleInternetMan]

Also was reading some chapters, just noticed that Uraraka reacted to Todoroki’s flash freeze heatwave propelling Bakugo and Iida. Upgrade time when.

To me it looks like she reacted after the fact

 

[Emerald]

But his comment to Eri was the worst thing he’s ever done and I will never defend him for it or take back my disdain. Absolutely not ok with that.

Isn’t that a mistranslation?

 

[Gitagon]

It'd already been made very clear that Endeavor can one shot via high heat. He is capable of vaporizing a High-End like Hood with his Prominence Burn. And a single Jet Burn pierced through him and removed an arm. Yet Endeavor confidently states Hood is stronger than him.

Heat does not relate to durability or impact power. Endeavor's ability to propel himself or his fist has less power than what All Might can use in his punch or movement.

AFO is stronger than Endeavor, as shown during the fight. It's head canon to assume AFO is stronger during his fight with Endeavor for some reason that isn't explained. Looking cooler or more intense is not proper reasoning either. AFO>Endeavor and we know All Might is stronger than AFO. Since he was matching him while holding back.

This simply means the "gap" between Kamino and USJ All Might/Nomu might as well be nonexistent. Prime All Might is honestly the only one who would be noticeably stronger. Though note no one around the world ever noticed All Might was losing strength, from Izuku to Endeavor. Despite being obsessed over him.

In fact Izuku's 100% was shown to be on par with All Might during the events of Two Heroes. Which is basically Kamino All Might. Izuku's 100% shouldn't be weaker than USJ All Might, as he got OFA from him beforehand. Yet All Might was shown to be on par with 100%, despite being "weakened" after his fight with Nomu.

Hood, Weakened AFO, USJ Nomu, and Kamino All Might are all stronger than Endeavor. In terms of raw power, yes Mirko is stronger as well. Her kick does more damage to the same High-End compared to Endeavor's punch. Though her durability outside of her legs is horrible, and Endeavor would easily beat her in a fight.

You summarized everything well. I hate it when people try to make everything A->B->C especially with quirks which is not a unified power system at all. Every quirk is different which means every character has their own specific advantages.

Endeavor can still harm even the strongest characters (Shigaraki, AFO, heck even All Might) via heat damage even if his physical stats are not at their level.

 

[TimmyTurnero]

But what he does was with attack power and not heat mirko kicks the nomu’s head, fails to break any of the bones or do any damage to it’s head. Then when endeavor punches it he shatters all the bones in it’s head. With a propelled fist.

 

[TheRustyOne]

But what he does was with attack power and not heat mirko kicks the nomu’s head, fails to break any of the bones or do any damage to it’s head. Then when endeavor punches it he shatters all the bones in it’s head. With a propelled fist.

She literally breaks multiple giant bones which get sent flying, her leg even gets pieced by a piece of bone that broke off. What are you talking about? Her kick went through all of those bones, and was able to reach his head. Though it lacked the power to do damage after having to go through those bones.

Meanwhile Endeavor's attack was stopped by small layers of bone and only broke small pieces off. He's not even reaching the head. The High-End only created a small amount of bones before Endeavor hit him and Aizawa erased his Quirk so he couldn't grow more. It was caught off guard and couldn't prepare anymore before his Quirk was erased.

While it used its full defense against Mirko's attack, and she broke through all of the bones her kick came into contact with.

 

[Gitagon]

She literally breaks multiple giant bones which get sent flying, her leg even gets pieced by a piece of bone that broke off. What are you talking about? Her kick went through all of those bones, and was able to reach his head. Though it lacked the power to do damage after having to go through those bones.

Meanwhile Endeavor's attack was stopped by small layers of bone and only broke small pieces off. He's not even reaching the head. The High-End only created a small amount of bones before Endeavor hit him and Aizawa erased his Quirk so he couldn't grow more. It was caught off guard and couldn't prepare anymore before his Quirk was erased.

While it used its full defense against Mirko's attack, and she broke through all of the bones her kick came into contact with.

And that was while pulling away from her arm getting twisted off. If she actually didn't have to resist all that, she could have packed way more force.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

So have any good calculations come out of the last chapter?

 

[TheRustyOne]

I'm making my own calc for Bakugo that places his speed at High Hypersonic to Massively Hypersonic.

However I need to know what speed for Bakugo's explosion should I really be using here.

I know 7700 m/s can't be used, as explained here about detonation velocity.

But using the same speed (400 m/s) as the previous calc makes little sense to me, when we know Cluster explosions are far faster than anything he's ever done before.

I really feel like we shouldn't just label this feat as 100% pointless. Here's a calculator from the UN. The detonation velocity for C4 is 8,550 m/s. Do you know what its velocity is after 1 meter? 1,323 m/s or nearly six and half times slower. Bakugo's explosion is less than 1 meter, so I feel like anything slower than 1000 m/s is big low ball.

 

[Spinoirr]

rusty where is Jiro and Tokoyami on the sandbox?

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Yeah Bakugou’s explosions are compressed and anything compressed moves at a massively higher speed. So 400 m/s is WAY too big of a lowball

Also you got a slightly higher distance than me, and also a smaller value for the timeframe so I’ll probably adjust mine

 

[TheRustyOne]

rusty where is Jiro and Tokoyami on the sandbox?

Is there anything beyond a big speed downscale for Jirou? Since she was able to see AFO's attack before it hit her, but didn't notice it until it was right in front of her.

Maybe Tokoyami can scale since he did avoid the attack without Hawks' help.

While I mentioned AFO's mask is durable enough to take a hit from All Might. Hawks had already cracked the mask open, which would've weakened it. I think we need more information before really deciding if his Ragnarok has gotten that strong. Especially when a tired 45% Deku was able to overpower and break through it previously.

So we'll need some really good evidence for scaling here.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

While I mentioned AFO's mask is durable enough to take a hit from All Might. Hawks had already cracked the mask open, which would've weakened it.

Hawks cracked open a single concentrated point, as he said. Tokoyami shattered the entire thing with Ragnarok, so I think some downscaling should be done

 

[TheRustyOne]

Hawks cracked open a single concentrated point, as he said. Tokoyami shattered the entire thing with Ragnarok, so I think some downscaling should be done

Yeah, he shattered it when it was already cracked open. Which does weaken the durability of an object.

And Ragnarok was overpowered by one "attack" from a tired 45% Izuku.

I feel like we need to see more. If he has some reason to scale he'll show it in future chapters.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Would Hawks scale tho? It took him 4 hits to shatter a single point of the mask

Idk if that’s how we treat multiple attack scaling but if AFO’s mask scales to the 173 GT value directly, 173/4 would be 43 Gigatons, a bit below 6-C+

 

[TheRustyOne]

Would Hawks scale tho? It took him 3 hits to shatter a single point of the mask

Idk if that’s how we treat multiple attack scaling but if AFO’s mask scales to the 173 GT value directly, 173/3 would be 57 Gigatons, slightly over baseline

Hawks is using a sharp weapon, which "ignores durability" to an extent. Using a sharp weapon allows you to harm things with higher dura as that energy is focused into a smaller point.

I believe Hawks should be "High 6-C" not for power, but because his bladed attacks can pierce or slash at the High 6-C characters. Not enough to take them down, due to Super Regeneration. But someone like AFO, who didn't have Super Regen, was implied to be killable by Hawks. He was going for a kill shot once his mask was gone.

His durability is still unknown. As he hasn't take any direct hits, only impaled with piercing attacks or being grazed.