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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

TimmyTurnero said:
Why is he more powerful than Endeavor?

Endeavor scales to people who are confirmed above USJ All Might, Usj All might being superior to Kamino.
Endeavor~HEN>Usj Nomu=Usj All Might> Kamino All Might

I’m referring to All For One from Kamino. The scaling chain presented by the series depict Endeavor above that variation of Afo, current Afo should be superior to his Kamino self.
Even now, I wouldn’t say this Afo is superior to Endeavor.

But there is a difference and it’s pointed out by All Might himself.
I don’t remember the context but wasn’t he so slow that it took him 30 seconds to travel 5km?
Regardless, point is that he IS weaker, we can’t quantify whether it’s a large gap or a big one, but it’s large enough for All Might to consider it a problem.
Fusing them together based off the idea that there’s no main difference between them is just based off assumption. They’re stated weaker, we treat them that way. That’s how it’s always been.

His awareness was fixed at that point, he had put his quirks down. We see this happen as they all backed off and he’s seen eating one of them. And immediately after he’s capable of moving and using his quirks again, and to a large degree. Unless the series implies that his quirks were still rebelling I don’t see the reason of assuming they were and he couldn’t use his quirks at peak performance.
And AFO was clearly blitz, Endeavor was about a dozen meters away, and traveled all the way to his face before AFO let off any reaction.
If he was surprised by a speed boost, this reaction would have been made before he had made it all the way to his face, he would have put up his shield quirk before he traveled this distance as well. Instead Endeavor traveled several meters to AFO before AFO gave off a reaction. Afo only reacted due to Endeavor losing momentum, the feathers burning up was symbolizing this. He lost momentum and Afo noticed that he was right in front of him. And then he reacted.

Hawks is faster than Afo lol.

So Endeavor physically overpowering entities stronger than usj all might who> kamino all might means nothing, alright
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Is it recency bias or what? You are forgetting that AFO had to get multiple nerfs in this battle+ Endeavor having help from 3 other characters just to dominate AFO.

- AFO literally has his life support broken.

- His quirks are literally rebelling.

- AFO's reactions are slowed down as a result because he actually needs quirks to "see", "hear" etc after losing his sensory organs.

- In chapter 357, AFO literally says: "the swarming gnats crackednmy mask and now my body won't move as I command." The guy is literally almost paralyzed from losing his life support and that's why he can't do anything when Endeavor is dragging him through the ground.

- Endeavor is getting a speed boost from Hawks.

That's 4 major nerfs to AFO and a buff for Endeavor.
 
Gitagon said:
Is it recency bias or what? You are forgetting that AFO had to get multiple nerfs in this battle+ Endeavor having help from 3 other characters just to dominate AFO.

- AFO literally has his life support broken.

- His quirks are literally rebelling.

- AFO's reactions are slowed down as a result because he actually needs quirks to "see", "hear" etc after losing his sensory organs.

- In chapter 357, AFO literally says: "the swarming gnats crackednmy mask and now my body won't move as I command." The guy is literally almost paralyzed from losing his life support and that's why he can't do anything when Endeavor is dragging him through the ground.

- Endeavor is getting a speed boost from Hawks.

That's 4 major nerfs to AFO and a buff for Endeavor.
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Take a shot for every “literally” used in this post
 
Gitagon said:
Is it recency bias or what? You are forgetting that AFO had to get multiple nerfs in this battle+ Endeavor having help from 3 other characters just to dominate AFO.

- AFO literally has his life support broken.

- His quirks are literally rebelling.

- AFO's reactions are slowed down as a result because he actually needs quirks to "see", "hear" etc after losing his sensory organs.

- In chapter 357, AFO literally says: "the swarming gnats crackednmy mask and now my body won't move as I command." The guy is literally almost paralyzed from losing his life support and that's why he can't do anything when Endeavor is dragging him through the ground.

- Endeavor is getting a speed boost from Hawks.

That's 4 major nerfs to AFO and a buff for Endeavor.
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So is afo considered more powerful than the high end nomu?
 
AFO Nerfs

1. Reduced Reactions - Chapter 356
AFO - "I needed to dodge that attack at all costs yet my awareness was delayed"

Hawks (after AFO's mask gets broken) - "up until now, I had to catch him offguard with sneaky moves which wasn't enough"

2. Partial Paralysis - Chapter 357

AFO- "the swarming gnats broke my mask and now my body won't move as I command"
 
That literally ignored my question. My entire premise is that Afo has gotten more powerful, or the scaling chain is inconsistent. Endeavor one shotting someone mirko couldn’t shows this.
 
TimmyTurnero said:
So is afo considered more powerful than the high end nomu?
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Not everything is linear especially since characters have different advantages.

Stamina - wise obviously the High-end is better. It has regeneration and a Nomu physical body even without activating any quirks. Meanwhile AFO has a huge stamina disadvantage and when his mask breaks he experiences partial Paralysis. Without durability quirks, AFO is just a regular guy in-universe while even without quirks, Hood would still be a top tier due to bio-modification. AFO's quirks rebelling also reduces his speed and reactions.

Power - Not only does AFO have a huge stockpile of strength quirks that he can easily combine, he also can use Impact Recoil since Hood only had physical quirks unlike Endeavor. If Impact Recoil can reflect All Might's punches, it won't have any issue reflecting Hoods attacks.

Speed - Hood is on par with or slightly below Hawks. We have also never seen AFO outright use a speed quirk. Plus AFO reactions might be affected by the quirk rebellion so the High-end might have a minor advantage here. But it isn't some big gap.
 
TimmyTurnero said:
That literally ignored my question. My entire premise is that Afo has gotten more powerful, or the scaling chain is inconsistent. Endeavor one shotting someone mirko couldn’t shows this.
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That post had nothing to do with you. I already posted another comment replying to your question.
 
When did i say who would win in a fight? Im not reading all that, it’s a simple yes or a no question. Is Afo physical consider stronger than the high end nomu? If he is I’ll make a CRT when the time comes.
 
TimmyTurnero said:
When did i say who would win in a fight? Im not reading all that, it’s a simple yes or a no question. Is Afo physical consider stronger than the high end nomu? If he is I’ll make a CRT when the time comes.
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There is no simple yes or no when they clearly have different advantages.

AFO can use Impact Recoil against Hood just like against All Might while he can't use the same quirk against Endeavor.

Hood has super-regen while AFO doesn't.

Not everything is A -> B -> C as you seem to want to reduce the scaling to.
 
TimmyTurnero said:
💀 bro it’s that simple. Who is stronger? Who has higher Ap? Is it that hard to answer?
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Is it that you haven't read the manga or something?

AFO has better power output via multiple quirk combinations + an advantage over physical fighters considering he can reflect All Might level physical strength then add on his own when clashing with physical fighters.

And as someone else mentioned Endeavor's attacks like Prominence Burn are considered durability negation considering they can do far more damage on someone like Shiggy than even 100% Deku. However, his physicals are way below all these characters with actual strength enhancement.

So when you mention Endeavor oneshotting Mirko, of course he can with his flames especially when you look at the kind of damage Prominence Burn did to Hood, war arc Shigaraki, and AFO. That's just how hot his flames are in-universe. If Shigaraki isn't tanking Prominence Burn no one else is.
 
Mazdoesstuff said:
Endeavor can oneshot people with his fire, and we currently accept it as dura neg. This is why Endeavor is only 550 MT physically even though he was able to severely harm Shigaraki with a prominence burn
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With raw strength he punched through something that Mirko couldn’t. Not by burning it or melting it down. He broke through it with a punch.
 
It'd already been made very clear that Endeavor can one shot via high heat. He is capable of vaporizing a High-End like Hood with his Prominence Burn. And a single Jet Burn pierced through him and removed an arm. Yet Endeavor confidently states Hood is stronger than him.

Heat does not relate to durability or impact power. Endeavor's ability to propel himself or his fist has less power than what All Might can use in his punch or movement.

AFO is stronger than Endeavor, as shown during the fight. It's head canon to assume AFO is stronger during his fight with Endeavor for some reason that isn't explained. Looking cooler or more intense is not proper reasoning either. AFO>Endeavor and we know All Might is stronger than AFO. Since he was matching him while holding back.

This simply means the "gap" between Kamino and USJ All Might/Nomu might as well be nonexistent. Prime All Might is honestly the only one who would be noticeably stronger. Though note no one around the world ever noticed All Might was losing strength, from Izuku to Endeavor. Despite being obsessed over him.

In fact Izuku's 100% was shown to be on par with All Might during the events of Two Heroes. Which is basically Kamino All Might. Izuku's 100% shouldn't be weaker than USJ All Might, as he got OFA from him beforehand. Yet All Might was shown to be on par with 100%, despite being "weakened" after his fight with Nomu.

Hood, Weakened AFO, USJ Nomu, and Kamino All Might are all stronger than Endeavor. In terms of raw power, yes Mirko is stronger as well. Her kick does more damage to the same High-End compared to Endeavor's punch. Though her durability outside of her legs is horrible, and Endeavor would easily beat her in a fight.
 
Man when mirko kicked the nomu’s head she couldn’t break past his bones. When endeavor punched it he shattered almost all of them. Either way, these bones are more durable thahb the actual nomu
 
How do we regard Re-Destro’s percentages in terms of linearity? With only 1%, he was able to restrain Shigaraki, which is Class 10. Assuming he were to get 100x stronger at 100%, he’d become at least Class K.
 
Mazdoesstuff said:
How do we regard Re-Destro’s percentages in terms of linearity? With only 1%,
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Please provide the moment it was stated he was using 1% in chapter or a data book.

Re-Destro never names a percentage until he reaches 80%. Him being at 1% is baseless. Unless you have some proof I've been missing?

You also have your answer if you look at his profile. He's going up to Low 7-C because of that kind of percentage.
 
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some people hate mineta so much that’s there’s actually a tag on archive of our own called “Homophobic mineta minoru”
 
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