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I expected that answer but =-(
Oh wait I’ve been given permission
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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18
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Mapl3Sy4up
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It’s 5.1758369e+19 joules, 12.8 GT, and enough to get AFO Shigaraki, 45%, Endeavor, ya da ya da, into High 7-A, and given that our scaling chain would be 1.28 GT<<Vigilantes All Might<<Prime All Might<Current Deku if we use 1.5 for all the times we go up current Deku gets 6-C and prime AM could get High 7-A+
I did a magic trick =D
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Would love to see it come true some day. Imagine an actual statement like "Deku's punches are as powerful as the combined force of the temiat missiles".
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Oh no, by scaling chain wise 1.28 x 1.5 = 1.92 (Vig AM) x 1.5 = 2.88 (Prime AM) x 1.5 = 4.32 (Current Deku just over baseline)
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Horikoshi is much more likely to state Deku punches like a nuke or something in a data book.
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Where'd you get that 1.5 Multiplier?
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its the highest we’re allowed to use for a character being massively superior (like how Vig AM is to USJ and Prime is to Vig)
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That's not how you use that though?
Mapl3Sy4up
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All Might has a wounded state key which is massively superior to his USJ one (he gets much weaker as his time limit goes down and down, as AFO so lovingly mocks), so that needs to be applied to it first, and then to prime. No one notices because all might is confirmed to always hold back
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The 1.5X thing still is not used that way.
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It's 1GT/1000MT ÷ 748MT = 1.3369 or a 1.337X Difference from the next Tier, 7-A+ to High 7-A
If USJ AM = 748MT, then either
USJ AM (748MT) < Vig AM < Prime AM (1GT)
Or
USJ AM (748MT) < Vig AM (1GT) < Prime AM
The 1.5 value is the max difference used for Upscaling.
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We have no idea, not every missile is considered Nuclear/Atomic. Hypersonic missile in reality can carry nuclear warheads, but they don't have to nor are they made for it.
They're made to hold many types of explosives.
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Shouldn’t we still use vaporization considering smoke is coming out of the crater
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Not at all. Vaporization can only be assumed when the attack in question has high heat to it already. We have no idea how Machia made the crater, but he has not showcase any heat related powers/attacks. There is no reason to assume that is vapor instead just dust from being pulverized.
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Alright. Also I think that since there’s still vapor in the panel, that should mean that the attack happened fairly quickly, so I think the feat can be used
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Considering we don't know if Machia did it one hit or many, there is no proof for either side.
A possibly rating could be used if the calc has higher results than what he has now. If it's lower than we can use it as a supporting feat.
A possibly rating could be used if the calc has higher results than what he has now. If it's lower than we can use it as a supporting feat.
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I don't think it makes much sense if it was in a long period of time. At best I think it took 2 blows, 1 for each crater. Also I don't think dust is supposed to move the way it does there. Like it rises up similar to smoke.
Though a possibly/likely for that feat could also be used.
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We’re going to have a lot of work to do when it comes to CRTs
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Two blows has no support, especially when nothing suggest two craters from two attacks. Could be one attack that started on one mountain and ended at the one behind. I mean Machia throwing even 5 or 10 attacks wouldn't take a long period of time. Less than 30 seconds easily.
That is why possibly is the best we can do. Since nothing also suggest it took multiple hits, we have nothing to go on. All we know for sure is that Machia physically did this feat, as he has yet to showcase power that doesn't rely on his own strength.
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Dunno, the shape of the 2 craters don't scream he needed to use 5 or 10 attacks.
But I also said possibly/likely also works. So IDRC.
Edit: Looked at a clearer image and actually it could lol. I speculate 8 attacks. Though it doesn't help the way the mountain are drawn. Now I'm leaning towards 1 attack needed. Damn horikoshi just doesn't like giving out good or even clear feats.
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Eh, it kind of does. Doubt a smooth crater could have taken more than 1 hit, or at least extremely precise ones, without looking weird. Especially from someone like Gigantomachia. But this is what he made lol
Some parts pretty clearly overlap
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Nope not at all.
I've seen very smooth craters like this take over dozens of punches. That picture isn't what I'm talking about, but it looked similar to it. Fiction doesn't care, it doesn't follow any kind of rules. Many types of craters left by characters have no logic behind them since that isn't how the ground or wall would actually break.
It's simply drawn like that to look cool. There is no point in this conversation.
I've seen very smooth craters like this take over dozens of punches. That picture isn't what I'm talking about, but it looked similar to it. Fiction doesn't care, it doesn't follow any kind of rules. Many types of craters left by characters have no logic behind them since that isn't how the ground or wall would actually break.
It's simply drawn like that to look cool. There is no point in this conversation.
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And that's why I pointed out that it wouldn't make much sense for machia to make craters like you presented in multiple hits. But if you think this conversation doesn't have a point idrc too.
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Oh I'm very dumb, I didn't realize what you actually meant. Just took a second look at what you said.
No yeah I get what you mean.
No yeah I get what you mean.
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Also Rusty because nobody was able to properly react to the sky egg feat you think we could use peak human/superhuman (peak human cause, duh, thats what we’ve been using, and superhuman because some people who were unable to tell what AM did scale above tensei iida)
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Could no heroes react to it?
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Remember Number 6 on the side, it literally took him a few panels to even realize stuff happened, Tensei and Mirko only realized after a bit that the building wasn’t falling, stuff like that
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Number 6 should still have superhuman reactions (lowballed) in base, so I think superhuman is fine
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I mean he is on par with Koichi, who did outspeed a bus which are superhuman so, we’ve got evidence
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We saw Machia make similar craters in the PLW arc.
There's no question how Machia performed the mountain feat. It wasn't with a single hit at all.
There's no question how Machia performed the mountain feat. It wasn't with a single hit at all.
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So how is Deku’s 100% feat of speed in the Shei Hassaki arc calced? Because the revised panel measurements has the hole at 19 meters, and it’s 201 px, the panel height is around 1298 iirc, and if Deku reached the Sky before his shockwave broke the spikes, then couldn’t we like, just assume that he moved ((1298/201) x 19) meters (rounded up to 122.69 (nice)), and that’s without adding in the slight height boost that him moving out of the hole would get us (i don’t have much faith it’s more than 30 meters)? Because the manga doesn’t show him continuing to travel, it just shows him disappear, spikes break, and then shows Deku over the top of buildings.
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Are we going to recalc Deku’s 100% bullet feat, considering he actually travelled a larger distance (he looped around the building)
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The calc already takes this into account. Or am I missing something here?
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I don’t remember it doing that. Even then, it still did a real strange method. Aka (distance x speed) / 16, could have just done (distance bullet moved / bullet speed) as a timeframe, and use Deku’s distance after looping around the building to where Chisaki is as the distance for the later distance/timeframe=speed
Also another question, for Deku’s 100% Shie Hassaki feat (speed), the calc doesn’t seem to take into consideration that Deku moved above all the buildings before the shockwave hit the spikes, because in the very next panel we see him, he to incredibly shocked at his own movement, realizing he didn’t he mean to do it (as he was using 20%, this gap seems normal).
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I have zero knowledge about that Yakuza Arc speed thing, so I'm just going to avoid it. I don't know how this speed stuff works, I only know random calcs without anything that connects them to each other. My knowledge is highly specific and random, and I have no idea what to say about this stuff.
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Yes it does.
"Distance Deku Swung = (2*pi*118.42)*0.375 = 279.02 meters"
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even then Therefir’s method seems wrong. Because it said the distance that the bullet was from overhaul after Deku had dodged the bullet which was shot at him, and started swinging to save overhaul. We saw in the faux 100% Manchester smash, Fa-Jin seems to be used at the peak of blackwhip (or right before kickoff, so no movement slows)
instead, imo we should use the distance from the side of the building Deku was swinging on, and then we px scale the the bullet moved during the two panels. I can’t px scale well, so I’ll assume it was an even 2 meters, and the distance between Deku and chisaki (before the boost) was the average street length (160 meters, from what I’ve seen).
And we use 2/1422 because the bullet moves at that speed, so it’s the timeframe of how fast Deku moved during that timeframe
so it’s 160 / (2/1422). Or 160 / .001406. This is 113760 m/s or Mach 331.66
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