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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

Vigilantes isn't any less logical than the main series, putting Koichi vs 6 aside. In fact it can be too logical and specific sometimes with O'Clock.
O'Clock's/Knuckleduster's analysis is something I wish we would've seen more from Deku.
 
Glances at “Might Sense” and “Might Breath” and All Might somehow switching between his “black eyes” form and “young” form.

Mmm, yes. Logical. All Might and Deku have shown these abilities in the main story.
 
And also Six Flash-Timing an entire squad of cops earlier in the series and now a stronger Six didnt do the same to even less cops, then got distracted by bullets fired from across the street.

Also that one quirk which is basically just a suicide bomb.
 
All Might having super senses is something we already know he possess since very early in the series. Even if he wasn't as sharp as he was in Vigilantes, which was when he was at his prime.

Suicide bomb quirk isn't any less logical than some of the quirks in the main series like belly button laser or manga-face.

Six's speed being inconsistent at times isn't any special either. Deku's been dodging bullets and fighting against characters that makes sonic booms, and he was still slower than Mirio who got tagged by a bullet.

You seem to be mistaking me saying Vigilantes isn't any less logical than the main series and interpreting that as "Vigilantes is super logical."


Off-topic: being condescendingly flippant with "Mmm, yes" mannerisms seems to have become a habit, it would be nice for you to try and drop it. Maybe just do it with Timmy once he comes back.
 
Overclock isn't even that inconsistent. It isn't meant for long distances or long fights. Six has been fighting for like 20 chapters now.

Also ignoring the normal fatigue and need for loads of oxygen, Overclock also gets exhausted faster when used in conjunction with the bomber cells. All in all Six has been overdrawing himself for a while now.
 
Metalballrun said:
Vigilantes isn't any less logical than the main series, putting Koichi vs 6 aside. In fact it can be too logical and specific sometimes with O'Clock.
O'Clock's/Knuckleduster's analysis is something I wish we would've seen more from Deku.
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Endeavor’s weird super moves (why does a hero have a move that does guaranteed damage to his surroundings?). Hellfire Storm doesn’t make much sense either as it seems to overheat Endeavor faster than his flashfire moves even though the technique doesn’t seem like it packs much heat.

Koichi getting Ultra Instinct cause he dodges a lot.

All Might doesn’t even have super senses (at least not hearing) since he literally said he doesn’t have super hearing also might breath is still weird cause that infers his lungs can somehow hold a larger amount of air than his frame would suggest and that OFA enhances his breathing for some reason even though it’s never shown doing that.

Number 6’s plasma form is also pretty weird since it just happens from him exploding and somehow becomes a plasma man who has the power to shoot energy bullets.

Endeavor is also portrayed as an angry idiot at times even though he’s meant to be a hyper competent hero with like 30 years of experience.

It’s also pretty strange that AFO stole Overclock as I’m pretty sure a notable hero suddenly retiring and losing his power would put him on AM’s radar again which he was trying to avoid.
 
When has All Might ever shown “super senses” like having the ability to hear across the entire country of Japan and blow out raging fires with his breath Superman style in the main series?

Outside of Vigilantes, he’s only ever shown brute strength and speed. Because… that’s what OFA’s main ability is, outside of the Vestige quirks. Power enhancement. But it never, not once, in the main series has ever shown hearing enhancement or sight enhancement or lung enhancement.

”Deku's been dodging bullets and fighting against characters that makes sonic booms, and he was still slower than Mirio who got tagged by a bullet.”

Yes, 30% is multitudes faster than 8% Deku, who Mirio won against. That’s more logical than Six flash-timing cops in a much weaker state, and then just not doing that later on against the same cops in a far, far stronger state.

Also Koichi’s existence. Became among the top tiers by fighting common thugs for a few years with no professional hero training. Outspeeding a being faster than a top tier speed hero who only saw All Might as a barrier. Maybe it’s not illogical, just weird writing IMO.
 
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AtomicSekiro said:
When has All Might ever shown “super senses” like having the ability to hear across the entire country of Japan and blow out raging fires with his breath Superman style in the main series?

Outside of Vigilantes, he’s only ever shown brute strength and speed. Because… that’s what OFA’s main ability is, outside of the Vestige quirks. Power enhancement. But it never, not once, in the main series has ever shown hearing enhancement or sight enhancement or lung enhancement.

”Deku's been dodging bullets and fighting against characters that makes sonic booms, and he was still slower than Mirio who got tagged by a bullet.”

Yes, 30% is multitudes faster than 8% Deku, who Mirio won against. That’s more logical than Six flash-timing cops in a much weaker state, and then just not doing that later on against the same cops in a far, far stronger state.

Also Koichi’s existence. Became among the top tiers by fighting common thugs for a few years with no professional hero training. Outspeeding a being faster than a top tier speed hero who only saw All Might as a barrier. Maybe it’s not illogical, just weird writing IMO.
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I understand being confused about supersenses (though I think Deku has them off being able to see Nagant in the dark from kilometers away) but why is super breath confusing. Any character with superstrength and enhanced durability could use the ability.

Over at DC both Superman and Wonder Woman have it. It is just drawing in a lot of air into your lungs. The air simply gets compressed since even the lungs of these characters are super-durable enough to hold the compressed air without injury. It is just a standard application of super strength.
 
In case anyone has forgotten, Toshinori lost half of his respiratory system in a battle against All For One. Not that this makes his whole kit in Vigilantes any less zany and bizarre, but yeah.
 
AtomicSekiro said:
Oh Deku’s profile: “Transonic reactions and combat speed (Comparable to Grape Juice, who can dodge whip attacks)”

Why is this Mineta “feat” allowed? It contradicts the manga and is based off anime timing.
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Perhaps because it doesn't contradict jack shit and Mineta dodges and manages to hit the whip with his Quirk balls, just like the anime.
 
AtomicSekiro said:
When has All Might ever shown “super senses” like having the ability to hear across the entire country of Japan and blow out raging fires with his breath Superman style in the main series?

Outside of Vigilantes, he’s only ever shown brute strength and speed. Because… that’s what OFA’s main ability is, outside of the Vestige quirks. Power enhancement. But it never, not once, in the main series has ever shown hearing enhancement or sight enhancement or lung enhancement.

”Deku's been dodging bullets and fighting against characters that makes sonic booms, and he was still slower than Mirio who got tagged by a bullet.”

Yes, 30% is multitudes faster than 8% Deku, who Mirio won against. That’s more logical than Six flash-timing cops in a much weaker state, and then just not doing that later on against the same cops in a far, far stronger state.

Also Koichi’s existence. Became among the top tiers by fighting common thugs for a few years with no professional hero training. Outspeeding a being faster than a top tier speed hero who only saw All Might as a barrier. Maybe it’s not illogical, just weird writing IMO.
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Why do ppl still use the argument of Mirio getting hit by a bullet
 
Mirio can't make other things intangible so he can't escape with Eri when Chisaki covered the exist. He had no idea Nemoto was shooting a Quirk Erasing Bullet either, though he wouldn't want Eri to get hurt at all so that is irrelevant.

With calcs 5% Izuku is faster than bullets, but in canon I highly doubt that was suppose to make him faster than the bullets. Just that he could avoid them, or maybe even aim dodge. Or course what we calc is what matters, authorial intent is irrelevant. If they wanted one thing they shouldn't have him dodge like that.

Also Mirio was shown using his Quirk to reach Eri faster, his legs are shown to be in the ground and he propels himself using his intangibility. His hand pats Eri's head before the bullet is fired, and after it was fired we see he hasn't moved that far despite being mid air and mid propulsion. So he didn't forget his Quirk.

With calcs scenes like are considered outliers. But in universe Mirio is just not fast enough to move Eri out of a bullet's path. This is just something that is going to happen when you try to calc fictional stories, especially drawings which aren't going to be consistent between panels.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Mirio can't make other things intangible so he can't escape with Eri when Chisaki covered the exist. He had no idea Nemoto was shooting a Quirk Erasing Bullet either, though he wouldn't want Eri to get hurt at all so that is irrelevant.

With calcs 5% Izuku is faster than bullets, but in canon I highly doubt that was suppose to make him faster than the bullets. Just that he could avoid them, or maybe even aim dodge. Or course what we calc is what matters, authorial intent is irrelevant. If they wanted one thing they shouldn't have him dodge like that.

Also Mirio was shown using his Quirk to reach Eri faster, his legs are shown to be in the ground and he propels himself using his intangibility. His hand pats Eri's head before the bullet is fired, and after it was fired we see he hasn't moved that far despite being mid air and mid propulsion. So he didn't forget his Quirk.

With calcs scenes like are considered outliers. But in universe Mirio is just not fast enough to move Eri out of a bullet's path. This is just something that is going to happen when you try to calc fictional stories, especially drawings which aren't going to be consistent between panels.
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If Mirio went intangible to dodge the bullet, Eri would have gotten hit. It’s less of Mirio not being able to dodge a bullet, but more so him not being able to deduce a plan to get Eri out of the situation
 
Combat speed is the speed of your punches, kicks and short movements like moving your head or torso, Mirio can't run nor jump at Hypersonic+ speeds using his own legs.
 
TheRustyOne said:
With calcs 5% Izuku is faster than bullets, but in canon I highly doubt that was suppose to make him faster than the bullets. Just that he could avoid them, or maybe even aim dodge. Or course what we calc is what matters, authorial intent is irrelevant. If they wanted one thing they shouldn't have him dodge like that.
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You wanna know what's canon? That 5% Deku can move faster than the speed of sound and gunfire. Simple as that. If he can dodge bullets and cover several meters before they can hit him, that automatically places him at Mach speeds. This is exactly what happened with the Hypersonic calc.
 
SuperStar said:
Hypersonic+ reactions and combat speed (Comparable to Sir Nighteye, who could defeat a clone of Rappa, whose Quirk is comparable in speed to Overclock),
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It seems like you are misunderstanding the ratings. But I guess it's also the site's fault for having combat speed up there alongside reactions.

But no one in MHA can move even at supersonic without activating their quirks and their quirks have to be ones that specifically boost speed.

Just because characters can perceive supersonic attacks doesn't suddenly make their bodies reach such speeds unless they activate their quirks to accelerate.

If you say Mirio could move without his quirk at to avoid a bullet that would imply his base without using his powers have supersonic movement speed which makes no sense in-universe when even O'clock with a busted speed quirk was only known as the "Supersonic Hero". Clearly supersonic is a big deal. It's not something base humans can hope to achieve.
 
Gitagon said:
It seems like you are misunderstanding the ratings. But I guess it's also the site's fault for having combat speed up there alongside reactions.

But no one in MHA can move even at supersonic without activating their quirks and their quirks have to be ones that specifically boost speed.

Just because characters can perceive supersonic attacks doesn't suddenly make their bodies reach such speeds unless they activate their quirks to accelerate.

If you say Mirio could move without his quirk at to avoid a bullet that would imply his base without using his powers have supersonic movement speed which makes no sense in-universe when even O'clock with a busted speed quirk was only known as the "Supersonic Hero". Clearly supersonic is a big deal. It's not something base humans can hope to achieve.
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Base Deku is Supersonic tho, but only in reaction and combat speed
 
Gitagon said:
It seems like you are misunderstanding the ratings. But I guess it's also the site's fault for having combat speed up there alongside reactions.

But no one in MHA can move even at supersonic without activating their quirks and their quirks have to be ones that specifically boost speed.

Just because characters can perceive supersonic attacks doesn't suddenly make their bodies reach such speeds unless they activate their quirks to accelerate.

If you say Mirio could move without his quirk at to avoid a bullet that would imply his base without using his powers have supersonic movement speed which makes no sense in-universe when even O'clock with a busted speed quirk was only known as the "Supersonic Hero". Clearly supersonic is a big deal. It's not something base humans can hope to achieve.
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You have a point. Just because someone can react to a supersonic attack doesn't mean their supersonic. Whether they're supersonic or not depends on the timeframe in which they reacted to the attack and the distance between them and the attack.

Let's say that Snipe pointed a gun at some random villain from 200 meters away and the villain dodged it. For simplicity's sake, let's just assume that Snipe's bullet is traveling at Mach 1 (340 m/s). The timeframe in which the villain reacted to the gun is approximately 600 milliseconds. Well within the average reaction time for a healthy young adult. Does this mean the villain is supersonic? Shit, even my own reaction time is around 230-240 milliseconds. Does this mean I'm supersonic in reactions and combat speed now?

See, this is why I have an issue with saying that characters are supersonic in combat speed simply because they react to an attack that's supersonic. Anyone can react to a projectile that's going faster than sound as long as the projectile is far away enough from their position since that leaves a decent amount of time for them to react. That's just common sense with dealing with supersonic objects such as bullets.

Or in this case, Rappa's punches.
 
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