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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

Bruh said:
Does the quirks also has percentages themselves due to being buffed by OFA. Is there a 8% fajin, 20% float or 45% smoke screen. If so I can't imagine the damage a fully mastered 100% full cowl deku with 100% fajin can cause
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Yes, that’s what happened when Blackwhip came out for the first time.

I imagine each quirk can be amplified if energy is put towards them.
 
So lady nagant and muscular has some sizable AP but even with multiple attacks they still couldn't fully dispersed deku's Smoke screen. Is this due to 45% Smoke screen's density or their lack of any air/shockwave manipulation
 
TheRustyOne said:
Possible problem, it was agreed in the old version of that calc that Stain was swinging his sword. As the anime showed, he was running forward with his sword held out. He was not taking a swing, so the speed used was the fastest human running speed at 12.5 m/s. Which lowers the results to Mach 6 or just Hypersonic.

@Metalballrun: This is how I see the scaling, since Shigaraki's strength is heavily implied to be Kamino/Movie All Might level in strength. And that Shigaraki was still stronger than 45%, which means 45% should be weaker than Movie AM.

The USJ Nomu is equal to USJ All Might, and the Doctor can easily say that Nomu has strength on par with All Might. Chapter 21 "After all the trouble we went through to make him as strong as All Might..." The anime allows us to hear the voices and it's the doctor who says this.

Chapter 276: "It's not quite on par with All Might, sadly! Excessive remodeling of his body would've overburdened his brain." So basically the doctor is fine with calling the USJ Nomu as strong as All Might, while he isn't okay with saying Shigaraki is on par with All Might.

I've already said I don't believe the difference is huge, but the scaling is like. USJ Nomu>Movie All Might>=75% Shigaraki=Kamino All Might>45% Izuku. At best Shigaraki scales equal to the movie feat, while 45% Izuku should be scaling below it. While USJ Nomu and AM scale slightly above the movie feat.
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So the High Ends are stronger than Shigaraki?
 
This is odd. Shigaraki by his feats and statements and hype comes off as stronger than any High End but is only close to All Might while USJ is equal to AM but then High Ends are beyond USJ.

How do we resolve this?
 
I mean, we don’t know what the doctor considers “not quite All Might” level. He could be referring to prime and saying Shigaraki is only above/equal to high ends which scale to weakened All Might
 
Insert_creative_name_here_12 said:
So the High Ends are stronger than Shigaraki?
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What goes against that, did Shigaraki do more damage to Endeavor than Hood?

I'd say Shigaraki is weaker than the USJ Nomu, who is stronger than the High-Ends. But not by any large amount, it's basically almost nothing.

Though Shigaraki was in the air, so I guess his AP dropped by many times since he couldn't put his body into his punch. So Endeavor needs to downscale massively from Shigaraki's AP, or maybe he doesn't scale at all. Back to 8-A with Endeavor I guess.

The same is true with 45% Izuku as well since in that position the elbow attack Shigaraki hit Izuku with, he couldn't put his whole body into it. So 8-A 45%?
 
TheRustyOne said:
What goes against that, did Shigaraki do more damage to Endeavor than Hood?

I'd say Shigaraki is weaker than the USJ Nomu, who is stronger than the High-Ends. But not by any large amount, it's basically almost nothing.

Though Shigaraki was in the air, so I guess his AP dropped by many times since he couldn't put his body into his punch. So Endeavor needs to downscale massively from Shigaraki's AP, or maybe he doesn't scale at all. Back to 8-A with Endeavor I guess.

The same is true with 45% Izuku as well since in that position the elbow attack Shigaraki hit Izuku with, Shigaraki couldn't lean his body into it. So 8-A 45%?
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Well his showings and the way everyone behaved about him made him seem stronger than a High End.

Endeavor, Deku, Bakugo, Gran Torino and Aizawa were getting rocked and struggling super hard against someone below High Ends while quirkless High Ends got handled by Aizawa and a bunch of random heroes

Aizawa can even keep up with High Ends but even Gran Torino gets outpaced by Shigaraki

So wait you’re proposing most of the cast goes back to 8A? That’s a surprise.
 
No I'm being sarcastic, feeling a little petty as well.

This is true, I'm not saying to downgrade anyone.
 
Also it’s canon since the concept is by Horikoshi apparently and it’s written by Yoco, who is basically the second author of the series.

So yay on third movie canonicity I suppose.
 
Movies aren't canon, it's just meant for advertisement.

I don't think the USJ Nomu/High-Ends or Shigaraki have that much different in strength. However the High-Ends are a little strange in all of this, but at least I don't think Hood in Shigaraki differ in strength by any large gap. I can't say who's superior, though narratively, Shigaraki would be stronger for being Garaki's masterpiece.
 
Ah, back on Twitter I see

I only think Shigaraki might be weaker than High Ends physically because Garaki said that too many strength enhancers would’ve taxed his brain, so he might not have done as many as he did on the High Ends.
 
Yeah that’s why it was weird Shigaraki should be stronger narratively but Garaki implies USJ>Shigaraki then says High Ends have stats surpassing USJ so it’s a little odd.

I guess if we go with he wasn’t saying High Ends are above USJ across the board this could work out.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Ah, back on Twitter I see

I only think Shigaraki might be weaker than High Ends physically because Garaki said that too many strength enhancers would’ve taxed his brain, so he might not have done as many as he did on the High Ends.
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Shigaraki had way better base physical feats than the High Ends though. Shigaraki also strangely took less damage from some of Endeavor’s attacks as well.
 
Well like I said when this was being newly discussed, Garaki never explicitly stated that the High Ends were stronger than USJ.
But the visual he used had USJ Nomu represent the black nomus, so we assumed that it meant the High Ends were stronger.

I suggested that it might not be the case as the USJ Nomu was clearly an outlier amongst black nomus but we went with HE>USJ Nomu anyways.
My stance with the entire thing has always been neutral.
 
But why the heck would they draw USJ Nomu in the first place if he’s supposed to be some sort of Outlier? And why have Garaki say that they’re above all the Nomu in stats if that’s not true for the apparent special snowflake, super Nomu? Why did he not care when it was defeated other than like a single sentence?

He treats High Ends like his actual children, boasting of their physical prowess and quirks, but ignores and never tries to replicate the Nomu that literally was as strong as All Might to many people?
 
I think Shigaraki is about equal to them, or at least equal to the All Might they’re scaling to. So yes, he might be PHYSICALLY slightly weaker.

We don’t know which All Might the Doctor is referring to when he says Shigaraki isn’t “quite on par.”

But we do know that Endeavor and Aizawa are comparing him, bare minimum, to USJ All Might, possibly higher.
 
The problem with that is that they did show the USJ Nomu, and stated the High-Ends stand above all other Nomu with stats beyond the Upper-Tier, and with a high capacity for independent thought.

Horikoshi could've used the eyeless Nomu from Hosu to talk about the black Nomu, but he choose the USJ Nomu and Garaki stated they had stats beyond the Upper-Tier Nomu.

Note: We consider this statement valid because Shigaraki was stated to be on par with All Might by Endeavor, and compared to the USJ Nomu by Aizawa. Since they'd scale to Low 7-B/7-B levels of power already, I imagine it was easier to accept them scaling above the USJ Nomu.

The High-Ends being stronger wouldn't break anything if I recall. Since they wouldn't be that much stronger than Shigaraki, and he'd be superior to them due to his high thoughts and the AFO Quirk itself. The difference should be non existence, since they can injure Endeavor in similar capacity as Shigaraki did himself.
 
USJ Nomu matched and injure USJ All Might until he went Plus Ultra, there's really no other All Might he could be referring too.
 
Also, the High Ends actually need a “start up time” in order to properly utilize their bodies, a probable side effect of the strength enhancers they have.

Shigaraki doesn’t have that “start up” despite only being 75% complete. He came out of his tube swinging in seconds.

So I think the High Ends might be somewhat stronger than him physically, but he, while not even complete, is around their strength on top of having all For One and all his mental faculties perfectly preserved.
 
Insert_creative_name_here_12 said:
Then we equally don’t know which All Might the doc is comparing USJ to? For all we know the doctor was comparing USJ to BoS AM.
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That Nomu seemed like a test I think? Because it didn’t even beat USJ All Might when he was over his time limit. It needed help to even trap him.

It’s not like the doctor actually expected Shigaraki to kill All Might there
 
Considering the doctor was there when Prime AM gave AFO a mind blowing experience it wouldn't make sense if he only made shigaraki as strong as USJ AM when a new stronger successor of OFA is right around the block, and the doctor should know that OFA only get stronger over time
 
Bruh said:
Considering the doctor was there when Prime AM gave AFO a mind blowing experience it wouldn't make sense if he only made shigaraki as strong as USJ AM when a new stronger successor of OFA is right around the block, and the doctor should know that OFA only get stronger over time
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He definitely isn’t as strong as Prime All Might, not when he’s only 75% complete. Maybe 100% Shigaraki will be there, but definitely not the one that fought in the war.
 
He can't make Shigaraki All Might level strong though, he said so himself.

He would've overburden Shigaraki's brain, likely become stupid like a standard Nomu.

Shigaraki will probably only reach those level of strength with some kind of Quirks when he's at 100%.
 
You know what I think the problem with why I don’t get this is my thinking. The differences between AM’s levels probably aren’t as large as I’m thinking so saying someone is as strong as AM still allows differences in their level but nothing drastic so USJ was made to beat AM but is still relative to High Ends and Shiggy who could possibly be compared to higher tier All Mights
 
Insert_creative_name_here_12 said:
You know what I think the problem with why I don’t get this is my thinking. The differences between AM’s levels probably aren’t as large as I’m thinking so saying someone is as strong as AM still allows differences in their level but nothing drastic.
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I mean, the only truly massive difference should be Prime All Might who is laughably above everyone else.

Only hint of Prime AM we have is current Deku’s 100% since his speed is almost there so his AP should be too.
 
Alright y’all so apparently there’s a special chapter for the new movie that came out

I advise y’all to go read it lol
 
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