My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

[Jackof_noTrades068]

He raises his arm to block it with his shield, a quick calc give me some bad results though. I found the distance between them is 11.37 cm, but even assuming the explosion lost 50% of it's speed, I'm getting results that are too high. Around Mach 90 or HHS+ Speed, which is an outlier since Wounded All Might is Mach 26.

Even assuming the explosion lost 90% of it's speed I get Mach 18 results, which is still an outlier so.

So yeah it's no good. I'm pretty sure 8% Izuku didn't react but predicted a casual Mirio, so I'm not sure if that means he'll downscale.

Also no on the Rappa thing, Knuckleduster said he couldn't find an opening to attack, but he could parry Rappa's punches just fine and even fake being knocked out by him. So Rappa just scales to Overclock's speed, he doesn't scale above. He may have gotten faster over the years, but by an unknown amount.

Yikes outliers are a pain and unfortunately Mach 18 Rappa is too inconsistent and 8% Reacted to Mirio but we can’t guarantee Mirio was going all out the same way he should’ve against overhaul aside from Amajiki saying Mirio doesn’t know how to hold back

 

[Kingofwolves999]

I mean, that entire fight was Mirio just flexing that he’s better than class 1a, so saying he’s giving it his all wouldn't be strange or out of character for him. And the ease he took them down with was a mix of his quirk and higher strength, not just his speed.

Whether they downscale or not doesn't matter I guess, they’re staying supersonic+ either way.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Anyways, what would Post-Endeavor Bakugo's tier be? And Shoto's? Are there enough reason to assume they're on 30% Deku's level or any calcs?

Post Endeavor Training Bakugo I assume would be At most 8-B for being immensely superior to his Heroes rising self who accomplishments a Large Building+ feat and probably higher with His max explosions

Shoto is completely impossible to scale rn though he doesn’t have any new feats yet aside from Shoving an off guard shigaraki with his Ice

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

I mean, that entire fight was Mirio just flexing that he’s better than class 1a, so saying he’s giving it his all wouldn't be strange or out of character for him. And the ease he took them down with was a mix of his quirk and higher strength, not just his speed.

Whether they downscale or not doesn't matter I guess, they’re staying supersonic+ either way.

Oh they staying Supersonic+ nice
But yeah I get your point and Amajiki saying he doesn’t hold back is supporting evidence for your point

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Do we have any reasons to think Bakugo isn’t as strong as 30% as well? He’s consistently kept up with Deku in all stages of his development, regardless of the gap in power he needs to make. Guy went from 1.28 ton explosions to 8.12 tons just to keep up with Deku. Not to mention, they always train together by fighting each other, and Bakugo is shown capable of hurting some version of Deku with that whole “Catch a Kacchan” game he used to try and unlock float.

Personally, I’d say there’s just more evidence Bakugo should be comparable to 30% than there isn’t.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Do we have any reasons to think Bakugo isn’t as strong as 30% as well? He’s consistently kept up with Deku in all stages of his development, regardless of the gap in power he needs to make. Guy went from 1.28 ton explosions to 8.12 tons just to keep up with Deku. Not to mention, they always train together by fighting each other, and Bakugo is shown capable of hurting some version of Deku with that whole “Catch a Kacchan” game he used to try and unlock float.

Personally, I’d say there’s just more evidence Bakugo should be comparable to 30% than there isn’t.

Issue with the Catch a Kacchan game is that we don’t know what percentage Deku was at during the time and we’d have to assume
If we got a statement like Deku saying he could Use 20% or 30% at the time it would count but for now not enough info
Also you have a point on how their rivals and standardly keep up with each other
Although not really enough feats yet to back up he can keep up with 30% raw power

In case I’ve forgotten can someone remind me if 30% Deku outright Hurt shigaraki since Bakugo’s normal blasts get neged by Shiggy

 

[Kingofwolves999]

30% did no damage to Shigaraki, nor did it do anything the entire fight. Any time Deku got near Shigaraki, he used 45%. The one time Deku uses 30% on Shiggy was after he had pushed him back from Aizawa and tried to use Black Whip to restrain him, but was easily yanked forward.

30% has no feats that would suggest it is above Bakugo in strength. The only reason that can be put up for Bakugo not scaling is him specifying “speed” when he said he won’t get left behind 30%, but that could easily be interpreted as him referring to reaching Shigaraki.

Other than that, there are several reasons for why, after 4 months of training, he should still be relative to Deku’s casual percentages, especially when he already made a huge leap in speed.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Specifically, Bakugo says: “Every time Deku gets stronger, I grit my teeth to keep from falling behind. Even at this 30 percent speed of his, I ain’t gonna be left behind.”

Notice how he never says he has fallen behind Deku in strength, and instead implies that he can actually keep up, but it’s just harder.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Specifically, Bakugo says: “Every time Deku gets stronger, I grit my teeth to keep from falling behind. Even at this 30 percent speed of his, I ain’t gonna be left behind.”

Notice how he never says he has fallen behind Deku in strength, and instead implies that he can actually keep up, but it’s just harder.

You have a good point there so we’ll need more opinions on potentially Baseline 8-A post endeavor Training Bakugo

 

[Kingofwolves999]

As for the leaks, Best Jeanist being alive is such an overwhelming positive for the heroes. Need someone to restrain Machia? Call on the main man himself.

Also, they brought some custom made cables for him to manipulate, like how he explained in the vigilantes manga. This is going to be awesome.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

As for the leaks, Best Jeanist being alive is such an overwhelming positive for the heroes. Need someone to restrain Machia? Call on the main man himself.

Also, they brought some custom made cables for him to manipulate, like how he explained in the vigilantes manga. This is going to be awesome.

Tbh I kinda wish hawks did actually kill Jeanist because it probably would’ve made Dabi look smarter for Manipulating Hawks into killing the hero with the highest popularity rating and was gonna expose it

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Tbh I kinda wish hawks did actually kill Jeanist because it probably would’ve made Dabi look smarter for Manipulating Hawks into killing the hero with the highest popularity rating and was gonna expose it

It fits Dabi’s character more to have that blowback in his face. That probably was his plan, but having heroes continue to screw him over is pretty consistent.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

It fits Dabi’s character more to have that blowback in his face. That probably was his plan, but having heroes continue to screw him over is pretty consistent.

Yeah Dabi kinda just can’t catch a break when It comes to Heroes it feels like he’s always taking Ls
Endeavor Surviving Hood and Mirko arriving just before he could retrieve hood(Like if this wasn’t bad luck idk what is)
Getting Knocked out before he could escape Kamui Woods
Failing to kill Hawks with that stomp fire blast
And on his first Task as leader of the Vanguard action squad lost a good chunk of the group

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Is toga gonna have a redemption and leave the LoV or what?

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Is toga gonna have a redemption and leave the LoV or what?

Honestly I doubt that maybe Leave the Lov as it appears she really couldn’t care less about machias rampage or the destabilization of society at least not now because of twices death but I feel that Deku might end up saying that Toga has crossed that line that she asked about which Toga could end up expecting or maybe he’ll say she hasn’t but she also She clearly just saw Twice as a misunderstood guy So She would likely be frustrated if Deku said she is worth saving especially since Toga has likely done far worse than Twice had done

 

[Gitagon]

Tbh I kinda wish hawks did actually kill Jeanist because it probably would’ve made Dabi look smarter for Manipulating Hawks into killing the hero with the highest popularity rating and was gonna expose it

I know Hawks killed Twice so people treat him as some huge villain but I've never gotten the vibe that Hawks is some huge immoral villain who would do just anything. Thinking of him as a government agent like CIA, it's understandable why he would kill Twice especially during a war. But nothing would justify him killing Best Jeanist unless Hawks was a genuine bad guy.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Honestly I doubt that maybe Leave the Lov as it appears she really couldn’t care less about machias rampage or the destabilization of society at least not now because of twices death but I feel that Deku might end up saying that Toga has crossed that line that she asked about which Toga could end up expecting or maybe he’ll say she hasn’t but she also She clearly just saw Twice as a misunderstood guy So She would likely be frustrated if Deku said she is worth saving especially since Toga has likely done far worse than Twice had done

Although full on redemption for her seems impossible unless your refering to rehabilitation in Prison because there is no way Deku or Uraraka would be crazy enough to just move on from stuff she did

 

[Gitagon]

Is toga gonna have a redemption and leave the LoV or what?

She can't really be redeemed when she's out here killing Grandmas. Before this arc, a lot of the League hadn't actually committed huge crimes.

Right now Toga has already killed several heroes after Twice died and the League is now complicit in Machia killing thousands of civilians. It's terrible to kill heroes but at least it was in a fight. The civilian carnage on the other hand is too much.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

What has Toga done to show she wants to be on the heroes side at all? Her view of society hasn’t changed for the better, it’s only gotten worse since Twice died. She hates this world and wants it gone same a Shiggy so she can be herself, all the heroes are doing (from her perspective) is trying to kill her for being different.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

I know Hawks killed Twice so people treat him as some huge villain but I've never gotten the vibe that Hawks is some huge immoral villain who would do just anything. Thinking of him as a government agent like CIA, it's understandable why he would kill Twice especially during a war. But nothing would justify him killing Best Jeanist unless Hawks was a genuine bad guy.

Dabi could’ve easily said to Hawks he wanted the pro hero’s corpse and was gonna inspect it this way Hawks would’ve been forced to kill Jeanist in a way that doesn’t make him a “bad guy”

She can't really be redeemed when she's out here killing Grandmas. Before this arc, a lot of the League hadn't actually committed huge crimes.

Right now Toga has already killed several heroes after Twice died and the League is now complicit in Machia killing thousands of civilians. It's terrible to kill heroes but at least it was in a fight. The civilian carnage on the other hand is too much.

although with Toga I believe it was mentioned before joining the league she had already murdered several people all across Japan but the cops just couldn’t catch her

 

[Gitagon]

Dabi could’ve easily said to Hawks he wanted the pro hero’s corpse and was gonna inspect it this way Hawks would’ve been forced to kill Jeanist in a way that doesn’t make him a “bad guy”

although with Toga I believe it was mentioned before joining the league she had already murdered several people all across Japan but the cops just couldn’t catch her

He still wouldn't have any justification. It was a literal infiltration mission by the hero commission meaning Hawks has higher-ups he's reporting to.

For Jeanist to be killed the Japanese government in MHA would have to be super messed up. Hawks isn't making these decisions for himself so the hero commission would literally have to order him to kill Jeanist, which even though they have shown some vague imorality, I don't see the hero commission as outright bad guys. It is the same for Hawks, I don't see him as someone who would outright kill an innocent person just cause he killed Twice.

 

[Spinoirr]

Yeah so that's why jeanist is probably still alive

But the HC did allow Hawks to kill some random dude and that's the point dabi will bring up

 

[Metalballrun]

Yeah so that's why jeanist is probably still alive

But the HC did allow Hawks to kill some random dude and that's the point dabi will bring up

Inb4 it was just a recently died corpse that the HC bought and made to look like Jeanist.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Quick question guys why doesn’t UA beginnings saga Bakugo Have Higher for His Howitzer Impact which Oneshot Shouto because I just realized that it’s not mentioned on his page

 

[Damage3245]

Why would that be worth a higher rating?

 

[TheRustyOne]

It's not like he killed him in one blow, you can knock someone out in one hit and even be slightly weaker than them. But Bakugo is going to get higher with his maximum explosions though, be patient, we already agree to that.

Bakugo is getting a higher rating because he can produce explosions with higher power than what he can normally do, however he does injures himself while doing so. Using his gauntlets allows him to use this higher power without injuring himself, but they need to stock up his sweat first, which takes an unknown amount of time.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

So latest chapter is out on Mangaseeonline, apparently Gigantomachia is going 100 Km per hour AKA 305.6 m/s, so yeah, that might mess with some things, but in general, it's nice to see we're finally getting Ochako vs Toga, which has been building up for forever

 

[Damage3245]

Sound about right to me. I doubt most heroes could travel that fast.

 

[Metalballrun]

Machia's at that speed likely because of all the obstacles that's slowing him down. Even if he can easily destroy them. he's still basically swimming through buildings.
Machia travelled quicker during the MVA arc likely because he travelled underground IMO, and Spinner has stated that he can travel faster that way IIRC.

 

[TheRustyOne]

I'm sorry, how are you getting 305 m/s? Am I having a huge blank right now or something, 100 km per hour isn't 305 m/s.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

I see where I ****** up, I individually converted the distance and timeframe instead of converting the speed value itself

 

[TheRustyOne]

Yeah, he's moving at 27.7 m/s or Superhuman speed.

 

[Damage3245]

Wow. That's even funnier.

Especially since all of the heroes consider him to be quite fast.

 

[TheRustyOne]

That's shouldn't be though, Iida in the early chapters had a speed of 16.44 m/s. He covered 50 m in 3.04 seconds. He's gotten faster since then and he could go faster with Recipro Burst, it's kinda weird to say that Machia isn't even two times faster than Chapter 6 Iida.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Travel Speed vs Combat and Reaction Speed

That's the difference here, besides My Hero separates them anyways

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Machia going 100 km/h is hilarious to me. Travel speed is a bitch.

 

[TheRustyOne]

I thought he'd at the least be Subsonic (100 m/s). Wait a minute, how far away was the league during the MVA arc, they made it seem like Machia would've gotten there quickly. It's stated they were in the mountains of Niigata, and they had to go to Aichi. Using google the closest distance between Niigata and Aichi is 300 km, that would've took Machia 3 hours to get there at his current speed.

Machia must move a lot faster underground then.

 

[Gitagon]

Wow. That's even funnier.

Especially since all of the heroes consider him to be quite fast.

It's pretty easy to calculate his speed when he's not running thought cities or carrying anyone with the MVA feat alone.

In MVA he ran 80km without destroying anything so he clearly avoided obstacles as he wasn't even on the news. He wasn't noticed and he covered all that distance in like a few minutes.

Right now he's clearly on a path of destruction specifically targeting cities instead of going around them. He also has some of the League on his back who I doubt can handle mach speeds unshielded.

 

[Gitagon]

I thought he'd at the least be Subsonic (100 m/s). Wait a minute, how far away was the league during the MVA arc, they made it seem like Machia would've gotten there quickly. It's stated they were in the mountains of Niigata, and they had to go to Aichi. Using google the closest distance between Niigata and Aichi is 300 km, that would've took Machia 3 hours to get there at his current speed.

Machia must move a lot faster underground then.

He definitely moved faster in MVA cause he was avoiding obstacles along the way. Right now he's running through cities while destroying stuff purposefully.

 

[Therefir]

27.7 m/s is painfully slow, that's almost like the height of Gigantomachia himself, it's like a human moving at 1.77 meters per second, literally walking. This inconsistency is similar to how All Might struggled to travel 5 kilometers in 30 seconds, Hori should refrain from giving exact data like any other mangaka.

I'm going to assume that is not Giga's full speed due to the buildings, because otherwise it makes no sense.