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My Hero Academia: America Brings Upgrades/Revisions

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Kingofwolves999 said:
What evidence is there of any sort of difference between the High End Nomu?

The entirety of your premise hangs on the belief that a difference is even implied at all. You have no evidence that a difference in pure base statistics even exists, as well as no evidence to prove this particular Nomu had any advantage durability wise to make this feat not apply to its fellow High Ends.

Where is your own reasoning for the Nomu to not scale to each other?
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The Burden of Proof is on the person arguing in favor of the scaling.

You can't shift over burden of proof to say "Well, how do you know this character isn't as strong as this character?"
 
Damage3245 said:
I won't tolerate being dismissed as someone who has some kind of vendetta against the series. That is a blantant Ad Hominem attack.
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Yet again it seems Ur fumes are blinding u, I literally said that's not wat I'm saying, but I guess Ur too proud or something to actually read what I'm writing
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
So you admit that physically, they should all be comparable? So why is the implication that their stats can wildly vary being brought up at all?
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That depends. Is there a statement saying that they're all comparable?
 
Alancaliber said:
Yet again it seems Ur fumes are blinding u, I literally said that's not wat I'm saying, but I guess Ur too proud or something to actually read what I'm writing
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yeah I can read your post at this moment it literally states "not saying u have a vendetta but bruh"
 
Why is Tomura Shigaraki, the pinnacle of Doctor Garaki's creations, being compared to the USJ Nomu when the High-End are on a whole different level to the USJ Nomu?

It's a major inconsistency for them to all be equal to each other.
 
It seems I'm the one who being dismissed because someone was too busy being angry to actually read what someone else wrote
Damage3245 said:
I won't tolerate being dismissed as someone who has some kind of vendetta against the series. That is a blantant Ad Hominem attack.
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Damage3245 said:
That depends. Is there a statement saying that they're all comparable?
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Mirio's statement, yes. And Aizawa + Endeavor then link Shigaraki to them as well.
Damage3245 said:
Why is Tomura Shigaraki, the pinnacle of Doctor Garaki's creations, being compared to the USJ Nomu when the High-End are on a whole different level to the USJ Nomu?

It's a major inconsistency for them to all be equal to each other.
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The doctor explicitly states that he made Shigaraki not as strong because too many strength enhancers would over burden his brain. This worry is absolutely addressed in the story.
 
Damage3245 said:
The only difference stated for the Near-High Ends is that they're not as intelligent and they haven't reached the testing stage.

Claiming they're on a lower order of strength/statistics is pure head-canon.
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So you are agreeing with everyone else, the difference is only intelligence wise.

So the NHE and High-ends all scale to each other in base unless we are specifically shown some using strength or durability enhancing quirks.

I think we all agree with each other here.

High-ends = NHE in physical stats

High-ends > NHE in intelligence. This obviously affects combat power but would not affect base physical stats.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
I have provided evidence and you have yet to fully refute it. Mirio's, Aizawa and Endeavor's statements are your barriers here.
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and given how Aizawa fought the USJ nomu and Endeavour fought Hood their statements should be seen as more than circumstantial evidence, Miruko also had to fight multiple in the lab and made little to no comments on the differences on their strength, that should also be seen as proof
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Mirio's statement, yes. And Aizawa + Endeavor then link Shigaraki to them as well.

The doctor explicitly states that he made Shigaraki not as strong because too many strength enhancers would over burden his brain. This worry is absolutely addressed in the story.
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which page was this stated (I haven't seen the chapters in awhile so I want to get exact quotes)
 
Mazdoesstuff said:
Absolutely nothing suggests that there’s any difference in the quirks of the High Ends. The only difference Hood has is that he’s more intelligent
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Difference in quirks? I think you meant difference in base stats.

Apart from super regeneration, we have never seen any 2 Nomu with the same quirks to this day.
 
Gitagon said:
Difference in quirks? I think you meant difference in base stats.

Apart from super regeneration, we have never seen any 2 Nomu with the same quirks to this day.
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This is true, Nomu vary wildly in actual quirks, but base to base they are never shown any different from one another, and even have implications and statements saying they are comparable.
 
There’s multiple instances in the series that confirm that the High Ends are semi-relative to each other in strength
 
Damage3245 said:
Why is Tomura Shigaraki, the pinnacle of Doctor Garaki's creations, being compared to the USJ Nomu when the High-End are on a whole different level to the USJ Nomu?

It's a major inconsistency for them to all be equal to each other.
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High-ends are special because of their intelligence. That's what puts them on a "whole different level" from other Nomu. One of the most focused on aspects of USJ Nomu is the shock absorption quirk which as far as we know is a Top 10 or even Top 5 defensive quirk in MHA.
 
Alancaliber said:
This guy has been coming for me verytime I say something, I'm not surprised now he wants to ignore his mistakes
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"Not saying you have a vendetta" is an empty statement. It's a subtle insinuation that you think I actually do have a vendetta otherwise why mention it at all?
 
Damage3245 said:
Why is Tomura Shigaraki, the pinnacle of Doctor Garaki's creations, being compared to the USJ Nomu when the High-End are on a whole different level to the USJ Nomu?

It's a major inconsistency for them to all be equal to each other.
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The usj nomu fought on equal grounds with all might himself, albiet he had hax specifically for allmight but still, he was maaad strong so it would make some sense to put into perspective , I mean hood uses different tactic than strength unlike the USJ nomu
 
Alancaliber said:
The usj nomu fought on equal grounds with all might himself, albiet he had hax specifically for allmight but still, he was maaad strong so it would make some sense to put into perspective , I mean hood uses different tactic than strength unlike the USJ nomu
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Yeah, and while all might did take dozen to hundreds of punches, it did match him in a punching contest before he went beyond his limits
 
Damage3245 said:
"Not saying you have a vendetta" is an empty statement. It's a subtle insinuation that you think I actually do have a vendetta otherwise why mention it at all?
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Come on bro stop reaching and just acceprkt u were wrong at least in this instance , my statement has no "secret meaning" and u know it u just want to paint me as some kind of aggressor when I clearly am not
 
Alancaliber said:
Come on bro stop reaching and just acceprkt u were wrong at least in this instance , my statement has no "secret meaning" and u know it u just want to paint me as some kind of aggressor when I clearly am not
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If you want to prove you're not the aggressor then stop responding to me on this subject.
 
Damage3245 said:
If you want to prove you're not the aggressor then stop responding to me on this subject.
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Why would I do that when I have valuable input to disprove what Ur saying and if u want to accept u were wrong you'll apologize to me plus ur literally the only one disagreeing
 
I believe both of you should stop responding and/or talking about it. He didn't respond to you after his inital statement until you yourself responded. Let's just let this lie and focus on the thread for now.
Damage3245 said:
If you want to prove you're not the aggressor then stop responding to me on this subject.
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"Why would I do that when I have valuable input to disprove what Ur saying and if u want to accept u were wrong you'll apologize to me" (from the post above me)
 
Acer__ said:
I believe both of you should stop responding and/or talking about it. He didn't respond to you after his inital statement until you yourself responded. Let's just let this lie and focus on the thread for now
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Oh he meant the other topic oh i agree but still it would be fair for me to get an apology but I'll drop it if needed
 
Acer__ said:
I agree that you be should get one. It was an empty statement, but let's not flood the thread at the moment
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Ok I won't speak on it again, good mediation, honestly thought he meant I shouldn't speak on the scaling, that why I responded like that
 
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