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Alright. Updated at least semi-accurately
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Most Skilled Characters of Every Tier 6
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Also I will be collecting material on Assassination Classroom that I feel could give them quite the boost
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Hiiargi and Xue Ying can keep up with Ikki in terms of skill? What?
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Because its Xue Ying
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Counter argument.
This is Ikki. Also called The Skill.
This is Ikki. Also called The Skill.
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Xue Ying can also be called The Outskill as he learns a technique that takes for other billions of years or more and out skills those that have trillions of years of combat experience but that's in verse like how Ikki does for his verse.
Through sher skill alone created a technique that pierces through matter, soul, energy, space and time. Can control 4 additional hands with the same mastery as he controls his original 2.
Can control every particle in his body.
It is known as a Great-Master Spearsman which is something great within the verse knowing that beings that live for several hundreds of years can't reach that level through training every day. He's so in love with the Art of Spear that he's called Spear Demon because he would forget about everything around him for weeks and focus only on perfecting his skills.
Even when he was affected by a poison that attacked his body at a sub-atomic level, mind, and soul created by a Demonic God for 100 years, tormenting him for in every second and reducing him to someone who can't cultivate anymore, he still practiced the Art of Spear to perfect his skills cause he was a fanatic. After 100 years of just practicing it, he could use his skills not only with a spear but with anything to do the same effects (piercing through matter, energy, soul, space-time). He preferred using leaves.
He did all those before the age of thirty.
But I'm curious why he's on the High 7-C while he has no key for that tier, he's actually High 7-A
Through sher skill alone created a technique that pierces through matter, soul, energy, space and time. Can control 4 additional hands with the same mastery as he controls his original 2.
Can control every particle in his body.
It is known as a Great-Master Spearsman which is something great within the verse knowing that beings that live for several hundreds of years can't reach that level through training every day. He's so in love with the Art of Spear that he's called Spear Demon because he would forget about everything around him for weeks and focus only on perfecting his skills.
Even when he was affected by a poison that attacked his body at a sub-atomic level, mind, and soul created by a Demonic God for 100 years, tormenting him for in every second and reducing him to someone who can't cultivate anymore, he still practiced the Art of Spear to perfect his skills cause he was a fanatic. After 100 years of just practicing it, he could use his skills not only with a spear but with anything to do the same effects (piercing through matter, energy, soul, space-time). He preferred using leaves.
He did all those before the age of thirty.
But I'm curious why he's on the High 7-C while he has no key for that tier, he's actually High 7-A
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Most of that would get disqualified by virtue of "can cut through souls, time and space with skill". That's not possible unless there is an actual explanation given for the exact mechanics of how it can be reached and why it can be reached by virtually anyone as long as they have the skill. The controlling additional hands isn't anything impressive though.
Need more context.
Any feats with said spear?
This falls under the same category as the first, with i guess this being a bit more impressive logically as he can do it with a lot of weapons. But still it would need an explanation.
I mean Ikki did all of his stuff before the age of 15.
And lol.
Need more context.
Any feats with said spear?
This falls under the same category as the first, with i guess this being a bit more impressive logically as he can do it with a lot of weapons. But still it would need an explanation.
I mean Ikki did all of his stuff before the age of 15.
And lol.
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Actually Xue Ying's skill feat sounds way more impressive ngl. He outskill someone trillions of years experience and learned skill that takes billions of years when he was before the age of 30 is something too big for Ikki.
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Oh. I saw Ikki above Kars on the 6-B list. I guess there must have been revisions recently. Well, now I don't honestly care.
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That's just fancy talk without feats though. Me outskilling an crab that has lived for 3000 years isn't exactly impressive, it's actually offensive not being able to do that. Similarly someone having 0 feats throughout his years of experience means nothing to a guy who develops at several decades an instant.MrDrProfessorPatricio said:
And learning skills that take "billions of years" is still below learning things that are literally impossible by everyone else. Years of experience is just fancy talk of skill, nothing quantifiable without clear feats of what he can do in a fight with those years of experience.
Example. We know Ikki can fight anyone stronger than him, because he can just reflect or redirect the damage, that is quantifiable because in a combat situation he will be able to use that skill to beat someone stronger. Take the same thing but with years of experience, what will be the argument? Xue Ying fight someone stronger, but he just throws his 3 trillion years of experience and wins? It's just silly
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Ikki just lost the Key, but Edelweiss will be in that same key now.
@Creator
Edelweiss for 1st 6-C and 6-B. She is massively above Ikki in terms of skill.
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I'm gonna be honest, I was pretty sure Kars barely outskilled Ikki, mostly due to his skill feats sounding like very slightly better versions of Ikki's (Improving an ability vs just copying it and knowing it's history, for example). Edelweiss definately outskills Kars.
Kars still beats her with relative ease, tho, since literally nothing she has can beat D4CU and Kars can just copy her stuff while she just knows how his stuff works and maybe she could copy his biological stuff and hamo
I'm gonna be honest, I was pretty sure Kars barely outskilled Ikki, mostly due to his skill feats sounding like very slightly better versions of Ikki's (Improving an ability vs just copying it and knowing it's history, for example). Edelweiss definately outskills Kars.
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@Earl. This are apparently Rinko's skill feats
Rinko is described as a one woman army due to gaining the skill and experience of an entire military unit (keep in mind this is a senshinkan military unit) within a mere 6 months out of the over 100 years worth of kantan cycles they took. Thanks to this she is able to perfectly create new tactics or traps in the middle of combat to adapt to any situation.
This allowed her to match Keira, despite the later being extremely skilled herself to the point where she is capable of taking note of her foes' center of gravity and the centrifugal force of their attacks to predict and dodge them mid attack. Keira also had her elite unit the Steel Fang which is composed of thousands of elite soldiers. These soldiers are considered elite by Senshinkan standards where it is common to have people with 10k years of combat experience engrained into them. The entire unit also has the ability to share their mind, experiences and consciousness allowing them to perfectly function as a single unit and Rinko alone was able to match them.
Yoshiya's skill is basically just scaling to his dad, the other members of Senshinkan like Rinko, or Amakasu
I could argue Fugil is superior to them because most of it sounds like experience, but I'm on my phone rn, so I will do it later
Rinko is described as a one woman army due to gaining the skill and experience of an entire military unit (keep in mind this is a senshinkan military unit) within a mere 6 months out of the over 100 years worth of kantan cycles they took. Thanks to this she is able to perfectly create new tactics or traps in the middle of combat to adapt to any situation.
This allowed her to match Keira, despite the later being extremely skilled herself to the point where she is capable of taking note of her foes' center of gravity and the centrifugal force of their attacks to predict and dodge them mid attack. Keira also had her elite unit the Steel Fang which is composed of thousands of elite soldiers. These soldiers are considered elite by Senshinkan standards where it is common to have people with 10k years of combat experience engrained into them. The entire unit also has the ability to share their mind, experiences and consciousness allowing them to perfectly function as a single unit and Rinko alone was able to match them.
Yoshiya's skill is basically just scaling to his dad, the other members of Senshinkan like Rinko, or Amakasu
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I mean even then, Edelweiss is basically just Ikki+. She doesn't have many major feats outside of the statement of her being superior to Ikki.
So if Kars can outskill Ikki, it could be good enough for a tie. He really doesn't though. You can bring in the understanding hax from kars and it would STILL not be good enough to outskill Ikki.
Yeah it was closed because at that rate it was just gonna devolve into a shitstorm. I can tell you Edelweiss passively stomps here too if that makes you feel better, but if i do this thread is gonna get closed too because of...you know...shitstorm incoming.
So if Kars can outskill Ikki, it could be good enough for a tie. He really doesn't though. You can bring in the understanding hax from kars and it would STILL not be good enough to outskill Ikki.
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Though at this point we should make a thread of "Ikki tries to outskil your verse". So that people throw their fav verse's skill at Ikki. Hehehe.
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And something bad authors do when trying to make tryhard skilled characters while being lazy and unoriginal ovo
It's being lazy or unoriginal, that's how old the characters are (and even older) that training for all this duration of time. All these techniques are impossible to the normal people and even to those geniuses within the verse. All those techniques are almost on the level of Xue Ying's Extreme Piercing, equal or even better. These techniques are named True Meanings which are comprehension of the Laws of the World. Through your own intelligence, training, experience, and comprehension all those things are possible.
Xue Ying is such a genius that everytime he felt his Spearmanship is lacking he searched for a way to perfect it (adding the softness and hardness of the water, the stability of the earth, the bursting power of the fire and the swiftness and mobility of the wind to his Art) creating his own Art - Extreme Piercing. Something to a degree that even beings from other worlds that train for countless years can't do. Even beings that can control the past and the future looking through countless Worlds wanted to recruit him but he refused. Then they sent beings to stop him killing a Demon but because of his Extreme Piercing, the mission to stop him was ranked as Nightmare (90% chance of dying for them).
He fought without problems with more foes while under illusions (that affect even his soul) as his body reacted instinctually.
Because of his skills, he always equal to beings who are two realms above him.
He created techniques that combine different Laws of the World, even those that should reject such combination like (water and fire, light and darkness).
At his own Xue Ying too will be that old, with each breakthrough from a Realm to another Realm taking longer to reach even for him as you can be the most blessed, most chosen, most talented being but you still need to comprehend and created a foundation before you advance otherwise you will the most baseline being with mediocre skills and power. If you look on Xue Ying profile you could have seen that in this actual moment (2-B Key) he's several trillion years old.
Yeah, normally you could say that those are not skills as they can affect the Laws of the World, grant soul attacks, time-space piercing but then you should think of something, nothing Ikki does can be normal skills (all he does is supernatural - I won't debate this).
99% of the characters on this list are more or less supernatural in terms of skills and techniques.
Ps. Remove Xue Ying from High 7-C as he has no such key.
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@Zarathrustra Taking the points one by one:
Nothing concrete just flowery language on unquantifiable things like "geniuses can't do this but Ikki can". The same thing as literally every genius ever in rakudai being unable to do the most basic of basics of what Ikki does (i mean it, the worse things he does are better than what geniuses can achieve even with hard work).
He tried to perfect his style, ikki perfects styles while learning all their history, ideas and phylosophy mid battle or just by seeing it's stance. So there goes that feat. I don't see how him refusing to join guys who have precog is a skill feat, you may need to elaborate on why that's a skill feat. The mission being 90% death just means he dwarfs everyone else in terms of skill, ap, speed or whatever he's superior in, not a concrete skill feat. Because again i can use the example of "i can beat a whole army of crabs, doesn't mean i can beat muhammad ali in a fight" dwarfing someone is a case by case feat of skill (example would be Edel being > Ikki being a case by case skill feat that's quantifiable cus Ikki has skill feats, whereas Ikki being better than his own great grandfather isn't really a skill feat you see me bring up as the dude has no skill feats, he was just supposedly an immense genius that won japan the war).
He fought without problems against fear and will hax that made his soul shriek (against Edelweiss). About instinctive reaction, Ikki fights while being completely unconscious and even copies and addapts to things while being fully unconscious.
Comparative skill feat. Similarly, with skill Ikki's superior to Stella Vermillio a genius who completely dwarfs him in ap dura, range, ability etc and also trains a lot, Ouma Kurogane, and even Amane Shinomiya who is literally protected by a goddess and has fate/probability hax. Not quantifiable, just there for the sake of being there.
Combine fire and water? First of all that's already using abilities that are not skill based, and 2nd of all it's not all that impressive, he's just evolving his hax. Ikki broke through causality, so if we wanna count those then sure.
Just age. Ikki literally reached the peak of his fate (got as good as the world would allow him to be and still pushed through and got better). So again, age is not quantifiable.
Except all of ikki's feats are technically possible. Just impossible cus you lack the skill to do it. There is a difference between being good enough to make all your muscles so relaxed you can transfer the force of an attack from 1 to the other is different from being skilled enough to control the laws of the world. One is possible with enough skill, one is not, no matter how much skill.
Nothing concrete just flowery language on unquantifiable things like "geniuses can't do this but Ikki can". The same thing as literally every genius ever in rakudai being unable to do the most basic of basics of what Ikki does (i mean it, the worse things he does are better than what geniuses can achieve even with hard work).
He tried to perfect his style, ikki perfects styles while learning all their history, ideas and phylosophy mid battle or just by seeing it's stance. So there goes that feat. I don't see how him refusing to join guys who have precog is a skill feat, you may need to elaborate on why that's a skill feat. The mission being 90% death just means he dwarfs everyone else in terms of skill, ap, speed or whatever he's superior in, not a concrete skill feat. Because again i can use the example of "i can beat a whole army of crabs, doesn't mean i can beat muhammad ali in a fight" dwarfing someone is a case by case feat of skill (example would be Edel being > Ikki being a case by case skill feat that's quantifiable cus Ikki has skill feats, whereas Ikki being better than his own great grandfather isn't really a skill feat you see me bring up as the dude has no skill feats, he was just supposedly an immense genius that won japan the war).
He fought without problems against fear and will hax that made his soul shriek (against Edelweiss). About instinctive reaction, Ikki fights while being completely unconscious and even copies and addapts to things while being fully unconscious.
Comparative skill feat. Similarly, with skill Ikki's superior to Stella Vermillio a genius who completely dwarfs him in ap dura, range, ability etc and also trains a lot, Ouma Kurogane, and even Amane Shinomiya who is literally protected by a goddess and has fate/probability hax. Not quantifiable, just there for the sake of being there.
Combine fire and water? First of all that's already using abilities that are not skill based, and 2nd of all it's not all that impressive, he's just evolving his hax. Ikki broke through causality, so if we wanna count those then sure.
Just age. Ikki literally reached the peak of his fate (got as good as the world would allow him to be and still pushed through and got better). So again, age is not quantifiable.
Except all of ikki's feats are technically possible. Just impossible cus you lack the skill to do it. There is a difference between being good enough to make all your muscles so relaxed you can transfer the force of an attack from 1 to the other is different from being skilled enough to control the laws of the world. One is possible with enough skill, one is not, no matter how much skill.
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You're using feats that are not that Key range (the High 7-C). You're using feats from his entire profile for a lower Key, while I just used the Feats from Xue Ying's High 7-A. I was not even debating Ikki vs Xue Ying as they don't fight for High 7-C (Xue doesn't have that Key) position on the top 5.
Just realized, that you use the entire profile skills feats set for any key like this case of Ikki being High 7-C but you use his entire skills set from all keys. It should be jus the skills that he had shown in that key not the entire story for a lower key.
All Xue Ying feats are possible for those that have a comprehension comparable to him or train enough (aka being old enough to train to that level). Age's matter, not always but many cases does. Some verses have those that can learn any skill they see or in few days compared to those that take years or tens of years because their average lifespan is limited (could max at 100 or a few hundreds, maybe reaching thousands like the guy from Negima who trained his Sword Art for 800 years and now can cut concepts). In Lord Xue Ying, lifespan is something relative, techniques take millions, billions and even trillions of years because they can expend that much as for them that period its nothing but a flash before their eyes.
Just realized, that you use the entire profile skills feats set for any key like this case of Ikki being High 7-C but you use his entire skills set from all keys. It should be jus the skills that he had shown in that key not the entire story for a lower key.
All Xue Ying feats are possible for those that have a comprehension comparable to him or train enough (aka being old enough to train to that level). Age's matter, not always but many cases does. Some verses have those that can learn any skill they see or in few days compared to those that take years or tens of years because their average lifespan is limited (could max at 100 or a few hundreds, maybe reaching thousands like the guy from Negima who trained his Sword Art for 800 years and now can cut concepts). In Lord Xue Ying, lifespan is something relative, techniques take millions, billions and even trillions of years because they can expend that much as for them that period its nothing but a flash before their eyes.
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Im using just feats that are for his High 7-C. Ikki has no key beyond High 7-C in the first place.
The only key that you can say this for is his 8-A key, which is still stupidly skilled, just lacks a very minor thing (edelweiss' sword style, the rest is still rather comparable).
Yes, but you cannot equate that. Someone can take 3 billion years of training in one verse and reach a conclusion that ikki reached in about 3 minutes, because each author values 1 moment of training differently that's why using big numbers is pretty much useless. The guys you mentioned have trained for a billion years and can still improve, ikki trained for 10 years and reached the max amount of growth fate allowed him to reach. So due to being different series, Ikki did in 10 years what other people couldn't do in 3 billion years.
The only key that you can say this for is his 8-A key, which is still stupidly skilled, just lacks a very minor thing (edelweiss' sword style, the rest is still rather comparable).
Yes, but you cannot equate that. Someone can take 3 billion years of training in one verse and reach a conclusion that ikki reached in about 3 minutes, because each author values 1 moment of training differently that's why using big numbers is pretty much useless. The guys you mentioned have trained for a billion years and can still improve, ikki trained for 10 years and reached the max amount of growth fate allowed him to reach. So due to being different series, Ikki did in 10 years what other people couldn't do in 3 billion years.
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I'm pretty sure you can use the feats from a lower key to scale to the higher key, they are the same character after all.
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Ikki should be in the topics of this thread by now.
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Ey smashor. I wonder how about ikki vs kars? I mean sssaf ikki vs normal kars.
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Ok. Time to say why Fugil should (and he is) superior to Yujiro.
> As for Yujiro, he knows every martial arts technique that exists in the universe - even techniques only passed down royal blood or from nearly unknown places.
Fugil masters every type of Drag-Ride that exists in the planet (I'm pretty sure saying that Yujiro knows every martial arts technique in the universe is exagerating and is just from the planet), and he masters a lot of types of weapons ranging from swords, lances, scythes, pistols, daggers, whips, and many many more. And also Fugil massively outskills Mishis who has trained to counter every type of Drag-Ride for hundreds of yearsat this point I should propose Mishis for the list
> He learns them expertly at a single glance and all that good stuff.
Fugil is more skilled than Singlen Shelbrit who can learn everything he sees instantly (this was said by his master) and has created Senjin, these are techniques so complicated that take several years for elite Drag-Knights to learn, and this techniques are so complicated that if you miss doing them in battle you may even die and even Singlen said that using them poorly is suicidal. Fugil is also more skilled than Lux who mastered two Senjin techniques by watching Singlen doing them and also is implied to have learned his opponent's techniques at the tournaments in the New Kingdom where he faced over 100 opponents.
> Among those are the like of Vacuum Palm which can force someone to breath in air with a fixed level of oxygen, knocking them out, or even killing them. There's also Xiao Lee, which allowed the 10-A user of it to potentially harm Yujiro with hits that looked like light taps, and to absorb the power of his strikes and circulate it inside his body to reflect it right back at Yujiro.
While I don't know how to compare Fugil's techniques to these ones, I could try. Fugil can reduce the lag of his movements to the point that people who are 10x faster than him can't percieve him while doing it. End Action is a technique in which you reduc the lag of your movements to the point that you can make several hundreds of slashes in an instant and Fugil can continue doing it for at least several minutes, and this technique requires extreme concentration and Fugil was caable of doing it while being under attack and was capable of using it as a counter againts his opponent's attacks. And then there is Recoil Burst, in which he basically pours "energy" into his blade and allows him to vaporize things.
> He can also entirely determine the outcomes of fights by merely seeing people's stances, can see what Baki would have done to attack him in perfect detail despite the fact he was all hurt and crumpled in the floor, and has become so utterly adept at martial arts that he can intuitively understand the weaknesses of someone's body on the cellular level with just a look. If you have a barely starting Cancer, Yujiro looks at you and he already knows.
Fugil predicted the perfect direction that Greifer would be and he put his sword in such a place that would expoit Cuelebre's weakness, and destroyed Cuelebre despite the fact the he shouldn't be capable of generating enought friction to do so, but he still did it, and he wasn't even seeing Greifer in that moment. He also countered every plan that Magialca made that were specifically made to counter every ability Fugil could throw at them. He can also know the name of the technique that his opponent used alongside how it works by just seeing it (he did that againts Mel), althoug, not sure if this was due to the fact that Fugil masters every Drag-Ride, but eh.
Let's not get into Fugil's dodging skills, I'm pretty sure Fugil dwarf Yujiro in that category. Also Yujiro's 0.5 Seconds of Uncounciousness is basically something that Yoruka can make with Instant Strike, which is inferior to Quick Draw.
> As for Yujiro, he knows every martial arts technique that exists in the universe - even techniques only passed down royal blood or from nearly unknown places.
Fugil masters every type of Drag-Ride that exists in the planet (I'm pretty sure saying that Yujiro knows every martial arts technique in the universe is exagerating and is just from the planet), and he masters a lot of types of weapons ranging from swords, lances, scythes, pistols, daggers, whips, and many many more. And also Fugil massively outskills Mishis who has trained to counter every type of Drag-Ride for hundreds of years
> He learns them expertly at a single glance and all that good stuff.
Fugil is more skilled than Singlen Shelbrit who can learn everything he sees instantly (this was said by his master) and has created Senjin, these are techniques so complicated that take several years for elite Drag-Knights to learn, and this techniques are so complicated that if you miss doing them in battle you may even die and even Singlen said that using them poorly is suicidal. Fugil is also more skilled than Lux who mastered two Senjin techniques by watching Singlen doing them and also is implied to have learned his opponent's techniques at the tournaments in the New Kingdom where he faced over 100 opponents.
> Among those are the like of Vacuum Palm which can force someone to breath in air with a fixed level of oxygen, knocking them out, or even killing them. There's also Xiao Lee, which allowed the 10-A user of it to potentially harm Yujiro with hits that looked like light taps, and to absorb the power of his strikes and circulate it inside his body to reflect it right back at Yujiro.
While I don't know how to compare Fugil's techniques to these ones, I could try. Fugil can reduce the lag of his movements to the point that people who are 10x faster than him can't percieve him while doing it. End Action is a technique in which you reduc the lag of your movements to the point that you can make several hundreds of slashes in an instant and Fugil can continue doing it for at least several minutes, and this technique requires extreme concentration and Fugil was caable of doing it while being under attack and was capable of using it as a counter againts his opponent's attacks. And then there is Recoil Burst, in which he basically pours "energy" into his blade and allows him to vaporize things.
> He can also entirely determine the outcomes of fights by merely seeing people's stances, can see what Baki would have done to attack him in perfect detail despite the fact he was all hurt and crumpled in the floor, and has become so utterly adept at martial arts that he can intuitively understand the weaknesses of someone's body on the cellular level with just a look. If you have a barely starting Cancer, Yujiro looks at you and he already knows.
Fugil predicted the perfect direction that Greifer would be and he put his sword in such a place that would expoit Cuelebre's weakness, and destroyed Cuelebre despite the fact the he shouldn't be capable of generating enought friction to do so, but he still did it, and he wasn't even seeing Greifer in that moment. He also countered every plan that Magialca made that were specifically made to counter every ability Fugil could throw at them. He can also know the name of the technique that his opponent used alongside how it works by just seeing it (he did that againts Mel), althoug, not sure if this was due to the fact that Fugil masters every Drag-Ride, but eh.
Let's not get into Fugil's dodging skills, I'm pretty sure Fugil dwarf Yujiro in that category. Also Yujiro's 0.5 Seconds of Uncounciousness is basically something that Yoruka can make with Instant Strike, which is inferior to Quick Draw.
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There comes a point where it really feels like Earl cannot conceive of anything but the way Rakudai does skill feats as being better so everything else is directly below or just empty words.
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No, every other method of skill is just dumb. Because it's as i've said time and time again, just pretty words. Rakudai has tons of those, i don't use them for a reason.LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
What can Ikki do in a fight with skill?
Simple, all of his skill feats, notice invisible people by using his hearing to notice voids in sounds, copy your style with a mere glance, reflect your attacks, redirect your attacks, predict every move you're gonna make with 100% accuracy by understanding your identity, become hard to perceive by using a form of footwork etc.
If Ikki fights someone the argument is "X ability gets negged by Y skill feat, Z skill feat helps with this etc".
What does a dude who's trained for 3 billion years?
Well he kinda like...throws his skill. And physically hurts people by throwing that skill...i guess. His skill weighs a literal ton, so if he fights someone the argument is literally just "He wins via skill".
Yes i can totally see how the 2nd form of skill measurement is more legit. Idk why i ever doubted it.
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I would throw in Sasaki Kojiro from Record of Ragnarok into contention for a 9-B slot. Reasoning below:
Thousand Image Defense
Sasaki Kojiro has spent his entire life, and a good portion of his time in Heaven, honing his natural skill for 'visualizing' opponents (in order to fight and best them without actually fighting) and perfected it into the Thousand Image Defense. Summed up, he mentally simulates every single eventuality in battle against a perso based on analyzing their combat style (or even simply how they walk, breathe, and hold themselves if they're not being kind enough to show off for Sasaki).
Of note, this is all 100% innate skill and not something esoteric. He just is this goddamn good, good enough to dodge or deflect hundreds of attacks that are explicitly FTE to him from an opponent moving so fast their afterimages form a dome around Sasaki
He can also utilize it offensively as a form of combat precog, seeing the next attack from a massively FTE-to-him opponent and actually attack back in a timeframe such that his foe is nearly caught offguard, and also being able to weave through FTE attacks by the dozen to blitz his superior foe. The god of war, Ares, also comments that Sasaki is actively reading thousands of steps ahead in the midst of combat
Also, there's the fact that Sasaki can use this ability and 'Scan' things without even sight, and scans all of creation at once, proclaiming himself capable of copying even the techniques of Gods after a single battle with Poseido
Nito Ganryu Style
Sasaki in his life was canonically a single-sword wielder, preferring an overly large nodachi. However, in death, he kept using his image-training to copy the man who bested him in battle, Miyamoto Musashi, and emulate him so well that the man's own son believed Sasaki was Miyamoto
Sasaki also has, according to Miyamoto (whom most other swordsman thought was Humanity's best representative of 'Swordmaster' against the Gods in this tournament), perfectly burned every swordstyle of every opponent he's ever faced into his Nito Ganryu Style, exceeding the point of being mere 'imitation'
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Sasaki Kojiro, a 9-B combatant, is capable of perfectly copying techniques with mental image-training, can dodge hundreds if not thousands of FTE blows at once with his Thousand Image Defense, and generally he's never going to be hit by a foe unless said foe is so absurdly faster than Sasaki that his seeing thousands of attacks ahead in combat and perfectly knowing, for a fact, what his opponent is about to do will not aid him.
Further, unless his foe is somehow immune to....skill in general??....Sasaki is going to slowly start stealing their techniques for his own, and simply surpass them. Sasaki only needs them to exist and his scanning prowess will apply, seeing how as eyesight isn't even necessary.
For all these reasons, I think Sasaki should be in contention for most skilled in the 9-B bracket, thanks.
I would throw in Sasaki Kojiro from Record of Ragnarok into contention for a 9-B slot. Reasoning below:
Thousand Image Defense
Sasaki Kojiro has spent his entire life, and a good portion of his time in Heaven, honing his natural skill for 'visualizing' opponents (in order to fight and best them without actually fighting) and perfected it into the Thousand Image Defense. Summed up, he mentally simulates every single eventuality in battle against a perso based on analyzing their combat style (or even simply how they walk, breathe, and hold themselves if they're not being kind enough to show off for Sasaki).
Of note, this is all 100% innate skill and not something esoteric. He just is this goddamn good, good enough to dodge or deflect hundreds of attacks that are explicitly FTE to him from an opponent moving so fast their afterimages form a dome around Sasaki
He can also utilize it offensively as a form of combat precog, seeing the next attack from a massively FTE-to-him opponent and actually attack back in a timeframe such that his foe is nearly caught offguard, and also being able to weave through FTE attacks by the dozen to blitz his superior foe. The god of war, Ares, also comments that Sasaki is actively reading thousands of steps ahead in the midst of combat
Also, there's the fact that Sasaki can use this ability and 'Scan' things without even sight, and scans all of creation at once, proclaiming himself capable of copying even the techniques of Gods after a single battle with Poseido
Nito Ganryu Style
Sasaki in his life was canonically a single-sword wielder, preferring an overly large nodachi. However, in death, he kept using his image-training to copy the man who bested him in battle, Miyamoto Musashi, and emulate him so well that the man's own son believed Sasaki was Miyamoto
Sasaki also has, according to Miyamoto (whom most other swordsman thought was Humanity's best representative of 'Swordmaster' against the Gods in this tournament), perfectly burned every swordstyle of every opponent he's ever faced into his Nito Ganryu Style, exceeding the point of being mere 'imitation'
Summatio
Sasaki Kojiro, a 9-B combatant, is capable of perfectly copying techniques with mental image-training, can dodge hundreds if not thousands of FTE blows at once with his Thousand Image Defense, and generally he's never going to be hit by a foe unless said foe is so absurdly faster than Sasaki that his seeing thousands of attacks ahead in combat and perfectly knowing, for a fact, what his opponent is about to do will not aid him.
Further, unless his foe is somehow immune to....skill in general??....Sasaki is going to slowly start stealing their techniques for his own, and simply surpass them. Sasaki only needs them to exist and his scanning prowess will apply, seeing how as eyesight isn't even necessary.
For all these reasons, I think Sasaki should be in contention for most skilled in the 9-B bracket, thanks.
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Ok. Here I go. Lux Arcadia for a spot in 8-B, possibly 4th. Why?
Master Ooway's Skill: Have over 500 years of experience, and is far more skilled than the likes of Po who learnt the forbidden techniques after seeing them once, whereas Kung Fu masters, like Shifu who has a hundred years of experience couldn't learn even one of the techniques.
Lux mastered Senjin after seeing once, techniques that are so complicated that take several years to elite Drag-Knights and has copied the techniques of his opponents during the tournaments he was in in the New Kingdom, take into account that he faced over 100 opponents. I'm 100% sure that Lux dwarf Oogway in terms of dodging skills. Lux can also reduce the lag of his movements to make sveral dozens to several hundreds of slashes in an instant. Lux defeated people who have his own Hidden Techniques, his own dodging skills (which are pretty ridicoulous) and even people who stole his Reload on Fire (basically the only hax that Lux has and it's basically just an amp), and someone who had those three. Do I need to say more?
Eternal Champion's Skill: I will answer what I found one by one.
> The guy is more skilled than 99% of the Empire that includes people that can dodge 6 bladesmen and 9 archers and a giant scorpion while naked for 20 minutes straight without as a scratch.
Are we really comparing dodging skills? With Lux? Ok, Here we go. Lux came out unscratched from fighting againts 100 Drag-Knights and 30 Abyss (take into account that each Abyss needs between 3 and 7 Drag-Knights to be defeated). Lux dodged 17 attacks from different directions that were faster than him and they were also homing him while not seeing some of them. Lux dodged invisible spatial cuts and was also capable of dodging something that was attacking him in his uncounciousness and that he couldn't perceive. And there's much more.
Ansei, who like I said, can cut the atoms through sheer skill, they have fought 6 vs an army and won. A guy who won more than 90 duels, of similarly skilled opponents, learned the 38 grips, the 750 offensive and 1800 defensive stances, and the 9000 strikes.
Cutting atoms through sheer skills sounds dumb. You can't physically do that, but ok. I already commented that Lux fought againts an entire army and won. Lux won over 100 matches when he was 12 or something like that. I can say that he copied his opponent's techniques in those matches, but they were above 100, so I'm not too sure, but Lux can also know the weaknessess of his opponents by looking at their battle style and make his movements even more difficult to predict based on that.
Above the Morang Tong, who managed to assassinate Reman, who in turn casually fought armies by himself when he was 12 with just his "female companions" if you know what I mean.
Lux also fought an army when he was 12, but he did it alone. And he is also more skilled than the Seven Dragon Paladins (bar Singlen), whp are the strongest and more skilled Drag-Knights in their country, and all of them are one wo/man army.
Master Ooway's Skill: Have over 500 years of experience, and is far more skilled than the likes of Po who learnt the forbidden techniques after seeing them once, whereas Kung Fu masters, like Shifu who has a hundred years of experience couldn't learn even one of the techniques.
Lux mastered Senjin after seeing once, techniques that are so complicated that take several years to elite Drag-Knights and has copied the techniques of his opponents during the tournaments he was in in the New Kingdom, take into account that he faced over 100 opponents. I'm 100% sure that Lux dwarf Oogway in terms of dodging skills. Lux can also reduce the lag of his movements to make sveral dozens to several hundreds of slashes in an instant. Lux defeated people who have his own Hidden Techniques, his own dodging skills (which are pretty ridicoulous) and even people who stole his Reload on Fire (basically the only hax that Lux has and it's basically just an amp), and someone who had those three. Do I need to say more?
Eternal Champion's Skill: I will answer what I found one by one.
> The guy is more skilled than 99% of the Empire that includes people that can dodge 6 bladesmen and 9 archers and a giant scorpion while naked for 20 minutes straight without as a scratch.
Are we really comparing dodging skills? With Lux? Ok, Here we go. Lux came out unscratched from fighting againts 100 Drag-Knights and 30 Abyss (take into account that each Abyss needs between 3 and 7 Drag-Knights to be defeated). Lux dodged 17 attacks from different directions that were faster than him and they were also homing him while not seeing some of them. Lux dodged invisible spatial cuts and was also capable of dodging something that was attacking him in his uncounciousness and that he couldn't perceive. And there's much more.
Ansei, who like I said, can cut the atoms through sheer skill, they have fought 6 vs an army and won. A guy who won more than 90 duels, of similarly skilled opponents, learned the 38 grips, the 750 offensive and 1800 defensive stances, and the 9000 strikes.
Cutting atoms through sheer skills sounds dumb. You can't physically do that, but ok. I already commented that Lux fought againts an entire army and won. Lux won over 100 matches when he was 12 or something like that. I can say that he copied his opponent's techniques in those matches, but they were above 100, so I'm not too sure, but Lux can also know the weaknessess of his opponents by looking at their battle style and make his movements even more difficult to predict based on that.
Above the Morang Tong, who managed to assassinate Reman, who in turn casually fought armies by himself when he was 12 with just his "female companions" if you know what I mean.
Lux also fought an army when he was 12, but he did it alone. And he is also more skilled than the Seven Dragon Paladins (bar Singlen), whp are the strongest and more skilled Drag-Knights in their country, and all of them are one wo/man army.
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Damn I need to read Record of Ragnarok
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Weekly, if you're still here, any defense of SCP-076 being above this guy?
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Master of every martial art on the planet as well as multiple martial arts not native to earth, lead an army against an omniscient god of knowledge and won and then soloed that entire army when said army was made up of a multiverse of beings with the powers of SCP-682, using just a swordCreaturemaster971 said:
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Akali has been trained to kill since the moment she was able to walk, was personally trained in combat by Kenne and Shen (League of Legends), and became a self-taught master of the kama and kunai, her skill becoming so great that she succeeded her mother as the Fist of Shadow when she was only a teenager (A feat that normally takes decades) and despite not possessing any innate supernatural abilities like Shen and Kennen she is considered just as deadly as them.Ionliosite said:
- Shen (League of Legends) is a master of stealth, ninjutsu, and swordsmanship, as well as being extremely hyperanalitical, able to, in a crowded, busy ballroom, instantly deduce that his target was half a finger length too far way for him to be able to attack the moment he saw his target, despite said target being a master of stealth able to disguise himself with shadow ninjutsu techniques and actively avoiding detection
Dr. Mundo was able to have an extensive fight with Ekko nd nearly killed him numerous times, forcing him to flee rather than try to beat mundo
- Ekko's entire fighting style revolves around spamming time rewinds to learn everything possible about an opponent and identify every weakness and blind spot they have to allow him to beat them with ease, which is made even more efficient due to his hyperanalytical perfectionist nature
- Kalista has outmatched Hecarim in a bout of skill
Katarina Du Couteau is credited as being one of the most skilled and deadliest blade masters in all of Valoran, able to match Garen Crownguard (The greatest swordsman in the nation of Demacia) blow for blow on multiple occasions. She is a highly proficient and elite assassin, having been hand picked by Swain, and she is capable of using virtually anything as a tool to kill someone with. She is also a master of controlling her environment, having extensive knowledge of misdirection tactics, a mastery of how to use the enemy's instincts against them, and a highly adaptive combat style that has allowed her to take on multiple opponents in direct combat on multiple occasions.
- Talon (League of Legends) is widely recognized as being only slightly less skilled than Katarina, with dozens of Noxus' best assassins being outskilled and killed by him due to him being seen as a threat to Noxus as a whole
Khada Jhi is such a skilled sniper that he is unhindered by a mask that both constricts his breathing and removes his depth perception, which would normally cripple even a highly skilled sniper
Lee Si is a master of Ionia's martial arts, and just by listening to the movement and breathing of three men he was able to determine that one had lung disease, one had a weak heart that would give out in less than a year, and one had an injured spine that forced him to walk slightly more on his left side. He can also detect even the slightest of flaws in the fighting styles of any opponent just by listening to them fight.
Lux is capable of creating illusions so realistic people who are able to physically see magic cannot tell the difference and is able to reverse engineer and utilize new spells after seeing them used only once
Master Yi is one of the most skilled practitioners of Wuju martial arts, which requires an immense amount of patience and strategy, centered around analyzing the opponent for any openings or weaknesses before killing them with a single cut, and he's been described as never attacking until landing a strike on his opponent was absolutely guaranteed
- Wukong has easily defeated anything that he considered a potentially difficult opponent with little issue, Mastered Wuju Style in a very short time period, something that took Master Yi several dozen years to master, and became so skilled in the art to the point where he was even able to outsmart Yi a few times
Tryndamere is skilled in combat to the point where he wasn't even allowed to wield his greatsword until he had proven that he was a master swordsman, and after he did this he traveled all over the country fighting and defeating the best warriors the Frejord had
Yasuo was regarded as a brilliant pupil at a renowned Ionian sword school, was the only student in a generation to master the legendary wind technique through sheer skill (Essentially his case is similar to that of Assassin (Fate/stay night) where he is so skilled that he is capable of producing magic through sheer skill despite not being an actual magic user), and has spent years on his own fighting off some of the most highly skilled assassins in Ionia, usually multiple at the same time.
- Rive is a highly skilled swordswoman, having trained since childhood in swordsmanship and having the natural skill to quickly learn how to wield a blade larger than herself with deadly efficiency. Her skill is such that the Noxian High Command even recognized her as one of their most skilled soldiers, granting her a runic sword enchanted by the Pale Sorceress to wield in combat. Even years after her self-exile after the end of the Noxian occupation of Ionia she retained her skill, having kept up with a swordsman as skilled as Yasuo blow for blow in single combat.
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