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Most Skilled Characters of Every Tier 6
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How would Soul Caliber characters compare to D&D characters for 5-B?
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Come on, man, 4-A is empty.Ionliosite said:
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Oh dang so it is
Also sorry, forgot to say OvO
No objections to putting Yujiro above Garou?
Also sorry, forgot to say OvO
No objections to putting Yujiro above Garou?
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Also, considering what has been said about Hitman Reborn would they not be placed above the likes of Atomic Samurai, RHG, and Garou?
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RHG characters have consistently matched or outskilled KHR characters in vs threads
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Alright. Because the mid-tiers of Soul Calibur have similar statements to Katekyo characters, with the upper-tiers being far superior to that and having feats and statements similar to RHG and Garou, and being greatly inferior to Olcadan and Edge Master
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Shizuku Kurogane is now Low 7-C, she can be replaced by Master Oogway
Atomic Samurai is now 7-A, I don't have any replacements for him.
In Garou vs Gildedguy, it was agreed that Garou was either equal in skill or superior to Gildedguy. He should probably be tied with 'Characters from RHG'.
Atomic Samurai is now 7-A, I don't have any replacements for him.
In Garou vs Gildedguy, it was agreed that Garou was either equal in skill or superior to Gildedguy. He should probably be tied with 'Characters from RHG'.
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Got it, update in progress...
In the meantime, I might as well post some SoulCal justifications
SoulCal is a series heavily-populated by One Man Armies. Nearly every playable character is one who has absolutely mastered the use of a specific weapon, some of which are particularly bizarre, to a ridiculous degree, able to perform superhuman feats of mobility and coordination with these varied weapons.
The Ling-Sheng Su temple and the monks within it are renowned across the world, even by these superhuman warriors, as unparalleled masters of their craft. Those who learn and master a Ling-Sheng Su style invariably outskill the majority of the verse, to the point that these combat arts are considered fables to the majority of the world until they are directly witnessed in action.
Some characters, such as Seong Mi-Na and Xianghua, are Ling-Sheng Su practitioners who surpassed the monks in their use of the naginata and jian, respectively.
Kilik is the greatest combatant the Ling-Sheng Su temple has ever produced, far surpassing the other monks in each of their combat styles, and favoring the bo-staff to the point that he can fight every monk in the temple simultaneously and tear them to pieces with nothing but said staff. He is only rivaled by his son Xiba and his best friend Maxi, and far surpasses both of them later in life.
Mitsurugi was an unparalleled warrior at the age of 14, repeatedly described as "mowing down opponents like fields of wheat". He fought in every war he could find, and against countless wandering warriors with all kinds of weapons and fighting styles, desperately seeking and surpassing worthy opponents. His skills ultimately improved to the point that he could singlehandedly defeat an entire gun-wielding army with nothing but his sword, and hiring him as a mercenary was considered an absolute assurance of victory. With every new opponent he fights, he learns their fighting style, and expands his own style to perfectly counter them should they meet again. He even dueled against Olcadan at one point, and was the second warrior (after Edge Master) who Olcadan ever called a worthy opponent, praise that would only ever be given again to Kilik. Ultimately later in life, he managed to hold his own in a battle with Algol through nothing but skill, not only surviving but feeling that if they fought again he could win.
Soul Edge itself has been fighting since the age of myths, gaining knowledge of thousands upon thousands of fighting styles, passing them on to each host that becomes Nightmare, while Siegfried is such a prodigy that he can stand against Nightmare as an equal.
By the time of SoulCal V, both Mitsurugi and Kilik have grown close to Edge Master and Olcadan in skill, and acknowledge that among the entire cast there are no longer any worthy opponents for them, including Nightmare, aside from possibly Algol.
Edge Master and Olcadan are unquestionably the most skilled characters in the series, both having invented and/or learned every single fighting style, martial art, and weapon in the Soul Calibur series, and mastered all of them to the point that they regularly defeat others using their own preexisting abilities, and additionally possesses enough knowledge of every character's fighting style to effectively train them to a similar level of perfect mastery. Olcadan was able to witness a single movement made by Kilik, and determine from that that he was a practitioner of Ling-Sheng Su martial arts, as well as the fact that he was trained by Edge Master specifically. Back in the Time of Myths, Edge Master was the rival of Algol the Hero King, defeating him every time they fought, and both he and Olcadan had a completely flawless battle record marred only by a draw against one another. Both of them predate Soul Edge itself, and have amassed even more combat experience than its hosts.
In the meantime, I might as well post some SoulCal justifications
SoulCal is a series heavily-populated by One Man Armies. Nearly every playable character is one who has absolutely mastered the use of a specific weapon, some of which are particularly bizarre, to a ridiculous degree, able to perform superhuman feats of mobility and coordination with these varied weapons.
The Ling-Sheng Su temple and the monks within it are renowned across the world, even by these superhuman warriors, as unparalleled masters of their craft. Those who learn and master a Ling-Sheng Su style invariably outskill the majority of the verse, to the point that these combat arts are considered fables to the majority of the world until they are directly witnessed in action.
Some characters, such as Seong Mi-Na and Xianghua, are Ling-Sheng Su practitioners who surpassed the monks in their use of the naginata and jian, respectively.
Kilik is the greatest combatant the Ling-Sheng Su temple has ever produced, far surpassing the other monks in each of their combat styles, and favoring the bo-staff to the point that he can fight every monk in the temple simultaneously and tear them to pieces with nothing but said staff. He is only rivaled by his son Xiba and his best friend Maxi, and far surpasses both of them later in life.
Mitsurugi was an unparalleled warrior at the age of 14, repeatedly described as "mowing down opponents like fields of wheat". He fought in every war he could find, and against countless wandering warriors with all kinds of weapons and fighting styles, desperately seeking and surpassing worthy opponents. His skills ultimately improved to the point that he could singlehandedly defeat an entire gun-wielding army with nothing but his sword, and hiring him as a mercenary was considered an absolute assurance of victory. With every new opponent he fights, he learns their fighting style, and expands his own style to perfectly counter them should they meet again. He even dueled against Olcadan at one point, and was the second warrior (after Edge Master) who Olcadan ever called a worthy opponent, praise that would only ever be given again to Kilik. Ultimately later in life, he managed to hold his own in a battle with Algol through nothing but skill, not only surviving but feeling that if they fought again he could win.
Soul Edge itself has been fighting since the age of myths, gaining knowledge of thousands upon thousands of fighting styles, passing them on to each host that becomes Nightmare, while Siegfried is such a prodigy that he can stand against Nightmare as an equal.
By the time of SoulCal V, both Mitsurugi and Kilik have grown close to Edge Master and Olcadan in skill, and acknowledge that among the entire cast there are no longer any worthy opponents for them, including Nightmare, aside from possibly Algol.
Edge Master and Olcadan are unquestionably the most skilled characters in the series, both having invented and/or learned every single fighting style, martial art, and weapon in the Soul Calibur series, and mastered all of them to the point that they regularly defeat others using their own preexisting abilities, and additionally possesses enough knowledge of every character's fighting style to effectively train them to a similar level of perfect mastery. Olcadan was able to witness a single movement made by Kilik, and determine from that that he was a practitioner of Ling-Sheng Su martial arts, as well as the fact that he was trained by Edge Master specifically. Back in the Time of Myths, Edge Master was the rival of Algol the Hero King, defeating him every time they fought, and both he and Olcadan had a completely flawless battle record marred only by a draw against one another. Both of them predate Soul Edge itself, and have amassed even more combat experience than its hosts.
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How skilled is Garou? I think Fugil can be above him.
Edit: Forget what I said, Garou is no longer 7-C, so Fugil can take his spot.
Edit: Forget what I said, Garou is no longer 7-C, so Fugil can take his spot.
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Cope is a good contender for Low 7-C, for some of the same reasons RHG is so high up and some other reasons.
As of Luminus Avenger iX he's been fighting Adepts, who have various interesting powers ranging from wormholes to illusions to thread manipulation, for over a century. And Adepts were only getting stronger and more common over time.
As of Luminus Avenger iX he's been fighting Adepts, who have various interesting powers ranging from wormholes to illusions to thread manipulation, for over a century. And Adepts were only getting stronger and more common over time.
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How skilled are Copen and Isaac Netero? I want to compare them to Fugil.
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Now that his downgrades are done, Ikki Kurogane for 1st on every single tier he's in. Also, Garou is no longer 7-C, he should be removed from there.
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Is this list limited only to fighting? Does it factor other physical and mental abilities like swimming, a good debater, singing, biking, etc.?
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It is in the OP: Anyway, Combat skill only
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Whoops didnt see that, because if it's not only limited to fighting Hajime Hinata easily takes 1st place wven above Ikki.
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Ikki isn't High 6-C anymore, so eh.
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Actually, what puts Reinhard at the top of 5-B?
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@Sir
Experience.
@Prof
Well combat skill is mostly the only skill that helps in fights is the idea. Soma might be a better cook at Ikki, but that doesn't exactly help.
Experience.
@Prof
Well combat skill is mostly the only skill that helps in fights is the idea. Soma might be a better cook at Ikki, but that doesn't exactly help.
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If the skill could believably be applied to fighting or combat skill or the character has shown applying it to fighting and combat skill, it can be used of course.
And eh... I do know Reinhard has a **** ton of experience due to all the absorbed souls but not sure it should get him at first still. Oh well.
And eh... I do know Reinhard has a **** ton of experience due to all the absorbed souls but not sure it should get him at first still. Oh well.
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I want to ask again how skilled is Isaac Netero? My comment was ignored.
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Ah, pardon.
All in all is hard to say due to Shingen-Ryu not being very shown, but we know that he's the Grandmaster of the whole school and so above the likes of Biscuit Krueger. The best show of his skill was his battle with Meruem. Meruem had a super intellect and innate skill for analyzing the rhythm of people, outstripping world champions in many board games merely by reading the rules book and playing a few matches, getting better with every single game. After playing with Komugi though, who also kept on improving at massive speeds, he develoepd this skill to the level of near foresight and precognitivenes.
Despite this, Meruem had to take tens of thousands of hits from Netero, who always choose the best course of action to counter Meruem in fractions of moments, and who Meruem described as "flawless" in his execution, before Meruem could actually hit him. Its even described that Meruem didn't find his rhythm, or even his bias for certain moves, but rather something much, much smaller and barely even perceptivle - the merest hint of a predisposition in an otherwise flawless defense. This despite the fact Meruem's skill at foresight would have been developing the more the battle continued.
All in all is hard to say due to Shingen-Ryu not being very shown, but we know that he's the Grandmaster of the whole school and so above the likes of Biscuit Krueger. The best show of his skill was his battle with Meruem. Meruem had a super intellect and innate skill for analyzing the rhythm of people, outstripping world champions in many board games merely by reading the rules book and playing a few matches, getting better with every single game. After playing with Komugi though, who also kept on improving at massive speeds, he develoepd this skill to the level of near foresight and precognitivenes.
Despite this, Meruem had to take tens of thousands of hits from Netero, who always choose the best course of action to counter Meruem in fractions of moments, and who Meruem described as "flawless" in his execution, before Meruem could actually hit him. Its even described that Meruem didn't find his rhythm, or even his bias for certain moves, but rather something much, much smaller and barely even perceptivle - the merest hint of a predisposition in an otherwise flawless defense. This despite the fact Meruem's skill at foresight would have been developing the more the battle continued.
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Alright Fire, I'm calling you out right now. Ikki is not more skilled then Novel Kars. Not even in the slightest. Bull.
Kars and Esidisi (Albeit with a power boost) fought literally every other Pillar Man, which likely included several warriors. He also nearly commited genocide on the Hamon tribes, who are all very skilled in their own right. He's also part of a species that can learn english in seconds. He then became a being with 400 IQ and was able to learn hamon in seconds, only being defeated by his arrogence and Joseph's luck. And that's just what's canon.
Looking at Ikki's intelligence section, which should have all his best skill feats, he has nothing that Kars can't do better. Ikki can replicate any style in a few minates, Kars can replicate any ability (And improve upon it) in seconds. Ikki may be able to learn the style's history, but that's not really applicable to combat skill, but contextual awareness.
Ikki is stupidly skilled, I'm not argueing against that. But Kars is simply better.
Kars and Esidisi (Albeit with a power boost) fought literally every other Pillar Man, which likely included several warriors. He also nearly commited genocide on the Hamon tribes, who are all very skilled in their own right. He's also part of a species that can learn english in seconds. He then became a being with 400 IQ and was able to learn hamon in seconds, only being defeated by his arrogence and Joseph's luck. And that's just what's canon.
Looking at Ikki's intelligence section, which should have all his best skill feats, he has nothing that Kars can't do better. Ikki can replicate any style in a few minates, Kars can replicate any ability (And improve upon it) in seconds. Ikki may be able to learn the style's history, but that's not really applicable to combat skill, but contextual awareness.
Ikki is stupidly skilled, I'm not argueing against that. But Kars is simply better.
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Ikki Kurogane and Kars (JORGE JOESTAR) don't even share a tier.
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>More skilled than ikki
My gawd. People still think that's a thing. I'll get back to those points later.
My gawd. People still think that's a thing. I'll get back to those points later.
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Right, i will just... unfollow this thread until they bumped heads enough. Call me back when they are done k?
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Let's see. @Lancelot
Fugil can control perfectly every muscle of his body, including his heart and is capable of thinking and doing two different actions at the same time.
He has mastered sword techniques to the point that he is capable of vaporizing his opponent with them, without using any kind of supernatural power.
Fugil can make hundreds of slashes in an instant due to his ability to reduce the lag between his movements and can continue to do the technique for several minutes when maintening it some seconds leave you out of air.
Fugil is laughtlably above Lux in dodging skills (take into account that in the seies were said that the capablity to dodge of Lux was stated to be done through skill), and Lux is capable of dodging 17 attacks at the same time, with each of them coming from a different direction and constantly following his movement, without even seeing the attacks that were much faster than he could move and were performed by someone 10 times stronger than him and can even dodge attacks while being uncounscious. And that's just one the feats, there are a lot more.
The Seven Dragon Paladins are an elite group of the world's greatest Drag-Knights, being considered among the best Drag-Knights to have ever lived and whose abilities go beyond anyone else on their countries. Fugil literally played with them and threated them like nothing, with all of them fearing how Fugil was so skilled that none of them could compare to his mastery over Drag-Ride techniques. Not to mention he has canonically outskilled every Drag-Knight to have ever lived for last 1000 years. And Fugil was already the most skilled Drag-Knight when he was only 14 yeasrs old, take into account that the people that he faced were all in constant war and had decades of experience in battle.
He can use every Drag-Ride better than the original user. He is so skilled he can master every single ability and armament the Drag-Ride can offer like swords, lances, pistols, anchors, daggers, etc, including every single use it can have, at the moment he first gets into the Drag-Ride.
His mastery over Drag-Rides is so great that he is more skilled than the Xfer, those who created the Drag-Rides and make them specifically for their use, to the point they believed he was the the perfect Drag-Knight.
Casually defeated Mishis, who has trained herself for her entire life as an anti Drag-Knight specialist, so she has been trained to counter every possible Drag-Ride, and having never lost a battle in centuries, easily outskilling the girls from Syvalles, an elite group of Drag-Knights who are considered to be among the best in the world.
By sheer skill, he can see further into the future than Krulcifer, who can see several seconds into the future and also her opponent's weak spots.
I think I already discussed Fugil's skill feats with you before
Fugil can control perfectly every muscle of his body, including his heart and is capable of thinking and doing two different actions at the same time.
He has mastered sword techniques to the point that he is capable of vaporizing his opponent with them, without using any kind of supernatural power.
Fugil can make hundreds of slashes in an instant due to his ability to reduce the lag between his movements and can continue to do the technique for several minutes when maintening it some seconds leave you out of air.
Fugil is laughtlably above Lux in dodging skills (take into account that in the seies were said that the capablity to dodge of Lux was stated to be done through skill), and Lux is capable of dodging 17 attacks at the same time, with each of them coming from a different direction and constantly following his movement, without even seeing the attacks that were much faster than he could move and were performed by someone 10 times stronger than him and can even dodge attacks while being uncounscious. And that's just one the feats, there are a lot more.
The Seven Dragon Paladins are an elite group of the world's greatest Drag-Knights, being considered among the best Drag-Knights to have ever lived and whose abilities go beyond anyone else on their countries. Fugil literally played with them and threated them like nothing, with all of them fearing how Fugil was so skilled that none of them could compare to his mastery over Drag-Ride techniques. Not to mention he has canonically outskilled every Drag-Knight to have ever lived for last 1000 years. And Fugil was already the most skilled Drag-Knight when he was only 14 yeasrs old, take into account that the people that he faced were all in constant war and had decades of experience in battle.
He can use every Drag-Ride better than the original user. He is so skilled he can master every single ability and armament the Drag-Ride can offer like swords, lances, pistols, anchors, daggers, etc, including every single use it can have, at the moment he first gets into the Drag-Ride.
His mastery over Drag-Rides is so great that he is more skilled than the Xfer, those who created the Drag-Rides and make them specifically for their use, to the point they believed he was the the perfect Drag-Knight.
Casually defeated Mishis, who has trained herself for her entire life as an anti Drag-Knight specialist, so she has been trained to counter every possible Drag-Ride, and having never lost a battle in centuries, easily outskilling the girls from Syvalles, an elite group of Drag-Knights who are considered to be among the best in the world.
By sheer skill, he can see further into the future than Krulcifer, who can see several seconds into the future and also her opponent's weak spots.
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Anyway on to the points @Smashor
Beat pillar men? Commited genocide on the Harambe? Ikki has solo'd armies while not wanting to hurt any of them. Beat the dude who has trained countless generations of soldiers including geniuses like Stella and more all without even getting remotely serious. So....your point? Many things count in a fight, not just skill.
Learns languages in seconds...that's somehow combat applicable?
Yes he can replicate and perfect any style in about 2 minutes at the start of the series. Kars does this through hax not skill.
And even then, Kars has to actually look at something Ikki copies and perfects the entirety of a style just by seeing the stance and to top it off, Ikki learns everything about a style, from secret techniques, to uses, to flaws etc. Kars only understands what he sees being used. Ikki? Nah from the very stance he notices what the style is capable of and knows things even the original user of the style didn't.
More cases? Ikki info analyzed a certain attack even on the first time it was used. Kars to my knowledge isn't capable of such a thing.
Learning a style's whole history is very combat applicable as it shows up to what level he knows the ability. Something kars can't do.
And as i said in the beginning, this is Ikki's raw skill vs Kars' hax that im debating. And up to this point, im seeing Ikki winning even like that.
Beat pillar men? Commited genocide on the Harambe? Ikki has solo'd armies while not wanting to hurt any of them. Beat the dude who has trained countless generations of soldiers including geniuses like Stella and more all without even getting remotely serious. So....your point? Many things count in a fight, not just skill.
Learns languages in seconds...that's somehow combat applicable?
Yes he can replicate and perfect any style in about 2 minutes at the start of the series. Kars does this through hax not skill.
And even then, Kars has to actually look at something Ikki copies and perfects the entirety of a style just by seeing the stance and to top it off, Ikki learns everything about a style, from secret techniques, to uses, to flaws etc. Kars only understands what he sees being used. Ikki? Nah from the very stance he notices what the style is capable of and knows things even the original user of the style didn't.
More cases? Ikki info analyzed a certain attack even on the first time it was used. Kars to my knowledge isn't capable of such a thing.
Learning a style's whole history is very combat applicable as it shows up to what level he knows the ability. Something kars can't do.
And as i said in the beginning, this is Ikki's raw skill vs Kars' hax that im debating. And up to this point, im seeing Ikki winning even like that.
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Netero can control hios muscles well enough that he can contract them on his blood vessels and shut off blood flow like that but nah, he's certainly not even close as skilled as Fugil, at least with the little information we have on him.
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And the funniest part is that Fugil has had three battles on the whole series. Now that the climax is close he might get even more feats.
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Did the OP abandon the thread or something, why isn't Meruem low 7-B
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I will update the thread later today. I just got back into college life so my schedules are very chaotic
Sorry for the delay
Sorry for the delay
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I will try for Fugil to take on Baki characters. What I know about them is that they can copy martial arts by just seeing them and that Yujiro knows every martial arts in the planet or something like that, but what else do they have?
Also, isn't Teresa more skilled than the Characters form Baki sans Yujiro (and in that note Fugil)?
Also I want to compare Fugil to Hayato Furinji again. I know Hayato knows every martial arts in the planet and Fugil massively outskills someone who can deal with every type of Drag-Ride that exists (and that's a lot, since a genius like Magialca considered them to being an "infinite ammount of Drag-Rides" so the number is huge) and Fugil also knows how to use every one of them. Also, I know Hayato has good dodging skills, but I'm almost sure that Fugil is massively better with this one. And his senses apparently let him react to things that his eyes can't follow, but even Lux can do that, let alone Fugil.
Also, isn't Teresa more skilled than the Characters form Baki sans Yujiro (and in that note Fugil)?
Also I want to compare Fugil to Hayato Furinji again. I know Hayato knows every martial arts in the planet and Fugil massively outskills someone who can deal with every type of Drag-Ride that exists (and that's a lot, since a genius like Magialca considered them to being an "infinite ammount of Drag-Rides" so the number is huge) and Fugil also knows how to use every one of them. Also, I know Hayato has good dodging skills, but I'm almost sure that Fugil is massively better with this one. And his senses apparently let him react to things that his eyes can't follow, but even Lux can do that, let alone Fugil.
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Okay so to recap...
Mori Hui should fill the 6-C, 6-B, 6-A, Low 4-C and 4-C spots.
Fugil takes Garou's spot in 7-C
Copen in Low 7-C
Ikki in his new tiers
Fugil edging out Netero, Hayato, and Yujiro
Am I missing anything?
Mori Hui should fill the 6-C, 6-B, 6-A, Low 4-C and 4-C spots.
Fugil takes Garou's spot in 7-C
Copen in Low 7-C
Ikki in his new tiers
Fugil edging out Netero, Hayato, and Yujiro
Am I missing anything?
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Fugil should be above Garou, but I want to hear more about the rest first. Also, Meruem for Low 7-B. Other than that, do it.
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I do believe she should be straight up more skilled than Baki Characters besides Yujiro and Baki.
As for Yujiro, he knows every martial arts technique that exists in the universe - even techniques only passed down royal blood or from nearly unknown places. He learns them expertly at a single glance and all that good stuff. Among those are the like of Vacuum Palm which can force someone to breath in air with a fixed level of oxygen, knocking them out, or even killing them. There's also Xiao Lee, which allowed the 10-A user of it to potentially harm Yujiro with hits that looked like light taps, and to absorb the power of his strikes and circulate it inside his body to reflect it right back at Yujiro. He can also entirely determine the outcomes of fights by merely seeing people's stances, can see what Baki would have done to attack him in perfect detail despite the fact he was all hurt and crumpled in the floor, and has become so utterly adept at martial arts that he can intuitively understand the weaknesses of someone's body on the cellular level with just a look. If you have a barely starting Cancer, Yujiro looks at you and he already knows.
As for Yujiro, he knows every martial arts technique that exists in the universe - even techniques only passed down royal blood or from nearly unknown places. He learns them expertly at a single glance and all that good stuff. Among those are the like of Vacuum Palm which can force someone to breath in air with a fixed level of oxygen, knocking them out, or even killing them. There's also Xiao Lee, which allowed the 10-A user of it to potentially harm Yujiro with hits that looked like light taps, and to absorb the power of his strikes and circulate it inside his body to reflect it right back at Yujiro. He can also entirely determine the outcomes of fights by merely seeing people's stances, can see what Baki would have done to attack him in perfect detail despite the fact he was all hurt and crumpled in the floor, and has become so utterly adept at martial arts that he can intuitively understand the weaknesses of someone's body on the cellular level with just a look. If you have a barely starting Cancer, Yujiro looks at you and he already knows.
