More haxs additions for DMC

[Mister6ame6]

Since my previous threads are finished guess i just post some more haxs additions today

1- BFR: Demons are able to send Dante's soul to the Demon World


2- Statistic Amplification and Improved Invulnerability: Demons are able to get even more stronger by entering their own Devil Trigger state, and can only by harmed as long as the user have his own Devil Trigger state


3- Empathic and Blood Empowerments: Demons can feed off from others strong human's emotions. Demons get stronger by receiving human blood, which can make demons multiple times more stronger than before


4- Space-Time Manipulation and Dimensional Travel Improveds: Demons can live inside and get out of the Mirror World, which is able to block people from traveling across his dimensions. Demons's demonic power can be used to mess with the very fabric of space-time.


High Tier


1- Greatly Improved Analytical Prediction and Precognition: They are able to keep up with Sparda and his descendents which are able to read the future from their opponents


Resistances


1- Sense Manipulation and Perception Manipulation: Demons are unaffected by the Mirror World, which is place contamined by the Demon World, who is impossible to breathe and also distort people's consciousness and take away their visions.


2- Life Force Absorption and Maybe Fate Manipulation: Demons are unaffected by the Demon World's sea, which can also suck the life force of everyone that enters inside there and everyone that enters inside, would not be able to get out of it


3- Energy Absorption: They are also unaffected by the Qliphoth tree, which absorbs energy around the Human World from everything and anything on it.


4- Poison Manipulation: Can survive in the Demon World, which can corrupt the air and make it toxic,


5- Vector Manipulation and BFR: As mentioned by Nero, after the Mitis Forest got contaminated with demonic power, the forest layout change at his own will along with the fact that no matter which way you go, you will always end up right were you started along with also warping his victims in the process. Can make doors vanish from existence


6- Absorption, Mind Manipulation and Possession: Demons are also capable of using the powers of the Beastheads whiteout being absorbed by him and they can also use Devil Arms or any type of demonic power source if you need to have a strong mind and body[2]also soul to not get consumed by a demon if then wishes to uses their powers and even demons that desire a powerful Devil Arm needs to be careful to not get possessed by the weapon himself


7- Sealing and Curse Manipulation: Demons are able to resist each other's abilities of creating seals. Can also resist from the Demon World, which is also able to create seals and can also curse doors, sealing them in the process.


8- Plant Manipulation: Can make crops highly unstable and make them grow when they're not supposed to


9- Space-Time Manipulation and Dimensional Travel: Demons can live inside and get out of the Mirror World, which is able to block people from traveling across his dimensions


10- Extrasensory Perception (Power Level Measurement, Magic Detection, Life Detection, Evil Awareness and Enhanced Sight): They are able to resist sensorial abilities when they are transformed, as show when Agnus was able to easily understands the powers and skills of Nero, Credo, Yamato and Devil Sword Sparda. although Nero was able to adapt to his powers, abilities, analytical and information skills since in their second encounter, Agnus was unable to figure out how stronger and skilled Nero really became at that moment, even failed to calculate the chances of winning against him this time despite being praised by Dante as the most inteligent man in DMC verse and could analyse his powers and skill if he was calm enougth during their figth. V and his summons are unable to sense Malphas's stones on their way, even after being inside Malphas's dimension, V was unable to sense his summons's presence, and they are also unable to figure out Malphas's true power as show that later V mentions a bit later that him and his summons (Including Nightmare) cannot fight or outrun Malphas because they lack demonic power enough to do it while she was also able to easily haxs all of them together. Moreover, V and his summons have show to be able to easily figure out the powers of Dante (Here), Urizen (When he was born and later when he became stronger them Dante), Nightmare (Here), Nero (After his training despite majority of his demonic power being sleeping after he loses Yamato and Devil Bringer, his two main source of demonic powers at that time) and Cavaliere Angelo (Easily figure out it was Trish inside it). Lucia was able to sense the upcoming danger (Argosax) coming in the Dumary Island and realized she needed Dante to defeat him, however, in BtN events she thought that she could match him and Balrog in hard fight, but eventually was only able to realize that they are much stronger them her when she saw Dante and Balrog fighting each other


11- Death Manipulation: Demons are unaffected by the Demon World, who is able to kill people who enter inside there.


12- Clairvoyance: Demons are resistant to each other abilities, like how they can perceive events beyond their physical reach and also influence them if they must, either by manifesting themselves at that event or bringing said event to themselves.


13- Elemental Manipulation: They can resist all types of elemental atributes, since as show that a lower tier demons like Nobody who is considered a failure by demons's standarts, including their own masters, was still able to adapt to survive on the hazardous environment of the Demon World,


14- Improved Paralysis Inducement, Improved Pain Manipulation, Demonic Energy Manipulation, Unholy Manipulation and Magic Manipulation: They are able to resist and adapt to the Demon World's nexus, which despite recharging demons with demonic/magic powers, it's also paralyzed then when they get too much power then they can handle and make them feel agony in pain


15- All Demons's abilities: They are able to survive from others Demons's powers and abilities and also eventually to easily adapt and heal from their injuries,


16- All Demon World's abilities Greatly Improved: Demons can adapt to survive in the Demon World, which the effects became stronger as close to the nexus and Demon World you are


Mid-Tiers


1- Improved Deconstruction (Demons can resist the ability of Dante's pistols, which their shoots are able to disintegrates all types of enemies and caused Gilver's body and weapons to "evaporate", destroying him "molecule by molecule" until no atom remained)

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Just starting and I already see some problems here.

I'll comment later on them

 

[Palito266]

4- Dimensional Travel Improveds: Demons can live inside and get out of the Mirror World, which is able to block people from traveling across his dimensions.

The problem with this is that Dante seems to be refering to the whirlpool on the sky, and he isn't able to reach it due to lacking the ability to fly or get there in the first place (lol)

2- Maybe Fate Manipulation: Demons are unaffected by the Demon World's sea, and everyone that enters inside, would not be able to get out of it

Thing is, it isn't really refering to the boat not being able to get out due to fate itself being haxxed to do so, but it's the seaweed that tangles the boat and doesn't allow it to go free. I suppose the Sargasso's have something to do with the seaweed and the boats never coming back, yes, but it's never really implied that they manipulate fate itself to do so.

Plant Manipulation: Can make crops highly unstable and make them grow when they're not supposed to

The Demon World is not using its Plant Hax directly onto the demons to try and grow plants inside of them or something, it's distorting the crops. DW has Plant Hax, but it never really seems to affect any living thing, like the humans in Mallet Island.


Other things seem fishy, but I would like to let Tony and others talk first, since I wanna see what they think.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Since my previous threads are finished guess i just post some more haxs additions today

1- BFR: Demons are able to send Dante's soul to the Demon World

This is not BFR, this is just plain and simple death the guide is referring to. It would be BFR if the scan said something like demons being able to send his soul to the demon world idk.

2- Statistic Amplification and Improved Invulnerability: Demons are able to get even more stronger by entering their own Devil Trigger state, and can only by harmed as long as the user have his own Devil Trigger state

We have tried getting invulnerability for demons using better scans imo but nothing was fruitful. I kinda agree here but I doubt it will be accepted.
https://imgur.com/a/zMz3y2q

3- Empathic and Blood Empowerments: Demons can feed off from others strong human's emotions. Demons get stronger by receiving human blood, which can make demons multiple times more stronger than before

Isn't this already in the demon phys page. You should check the demon page before making more threads so we don't argue about things already accepted and implemented.
https://imgur.com/a/VZ1XPLd

4- Space-Time Manipulation and Dimensional Travel Improveds: Demons can live inside and get out of the Mirror World, which is able to block people from traveling across his dimensions. Demons's demonic power can be used to mess with the very fabric of space-time.

There are 2 completely different abilities. The first is the ability to travel between realms and the second is space-time manipulation. Don't group them up.

Neutral with the dimensional travel.

Space-time manip is fine, should be noted that demons don't normally apply demonic power in this way tho.

High Tier


1- Greatly Improved Analytical Prediction and Precognition: They are able to keep up with Sparda and his descendents which are able to read the future from their opponents

No. Hell, why would that ability even be shared with the Sparda kin when Dante, specifically Vol 2 Dante, is the one that shows that ability.

Resistances


1- Sense Manipulation and Perception Manipulation: Demons are unaffected by the Mirror World, which makes it impossible to breathe and also distort one's consciousness and take away their visions.

This should be only perception manip (both links end in the same page). Now the scan says Dante has trouble doing shit here but this is just a product of the first game being the first game as he casually dips in the demon world in the next entries in the series.

Should be fine

2- Life Force Absorption and Maybe Fate Manipulation: Demons are unaffected by the Demon World's sea, which can also suck the life force of everyone that enters inside there and everyone that enters inside, would not be able to get out of it

Nothing here remotely even implies life force absorption, let alone fate manipulation. Hard disagree with this.
https://imgur.com/a/jw0ChO5

3- Energy Absorption: They are also unaffected by the Qliphoth tree, which absorbs energy around the Human World from everything and anything on it.

This is fine, just fix the description because the first scan is talking about the earth/planet, the second scan only says world (not Human World) .

4- Poison Manipulation: Can survive in the Demon World, which can corrupt the air and make it toxic

Pretty sure Abstractions debunked this with her thread a long time ago. But anyways, nothing in the scan says the air is toxic or poisonous, just acidic in taste.

Disagree

5- Vector Manipulation and BFR: As mentioned by Nero, after the Mitis Forest got contaminated with demonic power, the forest layout change at his own will along with the fact that no matter which way you go, you will always end up right were you started along with also warping his victims in the process. Can make doors vanish from existence

BFR is fine. I don't know if this would qualify as vector manipulation tho.
https://imgur.com/a/dTJqQUl

6- Absorption, Mind Manipulation and Possession: Demons are also capable of using the powers of the Beastheads whiteout being absorbed by it and they can also use Devil Arms or any type of demonic power source if you need to have a strong mind and body also soul to not get consumed by a demon if then wishes to uses their powers and even demons that desire a powerful Devil Arm needs to be careful to not get possessed by the weapon himself

This one is self evident, granted I have my own plans to undo the bs but that was for later.

7- Sealing and Curse Manipulation: Demons are able to resist each other's abilities of creating seals. Can also resist from the Demon World, which is also able to create seals and can also curse doors, sealing them in the process.

Nothing in the scan implies demons resist sealing.

I know a lot of the weird stuff that happens in Mallet is because of it's connection with the underworld but nothing here implies the demon world does that and even if it did no one resists it anyways. The first scan even implies demons are the ones doing it.

Disagree

8- Plant Manipulation: Can make crops highly unstable and make them grow when they're not supposed to

That's not a resistance.
https://imgur.com/a/Lqsfqh2

9- Space-Time Manipulation and Dimensional Travel: Demons can live inside and get out of the Mirror World, which is able to block people from traveling across his dimensions

Same as point 4 from the hax part.

10- Extrasensory Perception (Power Level Measurement, Magic Detection, Life Detection, Evil Awareness and Enhanced Sight): They are able to resist sensorial abilities when they are transformed, as show when Agnus was able to easily understands the powers and skills of Nero, Credo, Yamato and Devil Sword Sparda. although Nero was able to adapt to his powers, abilities, analytical and information skills since in their second encounter, Agnus was unable to figure out how stronger and skilled Nero really became at that moment, even failed to calculate the chances of winning against him this time despite being praised by Dante as the most inteligent man in DMC verse and could analyse his powers and skill if he was calm enougth during their figth. V and his summons are unable to sense Malphas's stones on their way, even after being inside Malphas's dimension, V was unable to sense his summons's presence, and they are also unable to figure out Malphas's true power as show that later V mentions a bit later that him and his summons (Including Nightmare) cannot fight or outrun Malphas because they lack demonic power enough to do it while she was also able to easily haxs all of them together. Moreover, V and his summons have show to be able to easily figure out the powers of Dante (Here), Urizen (When he was born and later when he became stronger them Dante), Nightmare (Here), Nero (After his training despite majority of his demonic power being sleeping after he loses Yamato and Devil Bringer, his two main source of demonic powers at that time) and Cavaliere Angelo (Easily figure out it was Trish inside it). Lucia was able to sense the upcoming danger (Argosax) coming in the Dumary Island and realized she needed Dante to defeat him, however, in BtN events she thought that she could match him and Balrog in hard fight, but eventually was only able to realize that they are much stronger them her when she saw Dante and Balrog fighting each other

Holy hell, why make the description so big?

This is a word salad that imo doesn't even explain what resistance you are trying to get.
https://imgur.com/a/NKdVruQ

11- Death Manipulation: Demons are unaffected by the Demon World, who is able to kill people who enter inside there.

You either got the wrong scan or misunderstood something from there.

If this is the correct scan then i disagree, nothing here says death hax (and if the scan you meant to use is the one I'm thinking then I still disagree because people die in the demon world due to all the dangerous stuff going on)

12- Clairvoyance: Demons are resistant to each other abilities, like how they can perceive events beyond their physical reach and also influence them if they must, either by manifesting themselves at that event or bringing said event to themselves.

Uh, what? When were demons stated to be resistant to each other abilities? Or when has a demon resisted this?

13- Elemental Manipulation: They can resist all types of elemental atributes, since as show that a lower tier demons like Nobody who is considered a failure by demons's standards, including their own masters, was still able to adapt to survive on the hazardous environment of the Demon World,

I mean, yeah. This seems fine.
https://youtu.be/EFAfX9qKgdQ?t=212

14- Improved Paralysis Inducement, Improved Pain Manipulation, Demonic Energy Manipulation, Unholy Manipulation and Magic Manipulation: They are able to resist and adapt to the Demon World's nexus, which despite recharging demons with demonic/magic powers, it's also paralyzed then when they get too much power then they can handle and make them feel agony in pain

The only ones who have done this are Dante and Mundus, not nearly enough to grant it to every demon on their level.
https://imgur.com/a/apmrE4M

15- All Demons's abilities: They are able to survive from others Demons's powers and abilities and also eventually to easily adapt and heal from their injuries,

This is not how it works. The scan doesn't even mention anything about them resisting anything. Just because you don't die to something and heal later doesn't mean you resist it.

Hard disagree.

16- All Demon World's abilities Greatly Improved: Demons can adapt to survive in the Demon World, which the effects became stronger as close to the nexus and Demon World you are

No demon has ever done that bar Void Mundus and Dante, one who became one with the nexus and the other was straight up immune to it.

Disagree
https://imgur.com/a/evolving-against-dwe-as-tony-s9IToxu

Mid-Tiers


1- Improved Deconstruction (Demons can resist the ability of Dante's pistols, which their shoots are able to disintegrates all types of enemies and caused Gilver's body and weapons to "evaporate", destroying him "molecule by molecule" until no atom remained)

Show me any demon tanking the deconstruction and surviving, otherwise hard no.

 

[Minos_the_Judge]

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[Mister6ame6]

This is not BFR, this is just plain and simple death the guide is referring to. It would be BFR if the scan said something like demons being able to send his soul to the demon world idk.

Oh, i see my friend, fair enougth

We have tried getting invulnerability for demons using better scans imo but nothing was fruitful. I kinda agree here but I doubt it will be accepted.

Well in the last thread Glass says he agrees with you on everithing you said and agree, since you agree with invunerability, i think it got accepted imo

Isn't this already in the demon phys page. You should check the demon page before making more threads so we don't argue about things already accepted and implemented.

Not really, demons have fear empowerement, not emotion empoerement, they can feed on everithing type of emotions not just fear, so i don't think we have that accepted rn

The blood thing is becaue that shows that even just some mere human blood on a low tier demons can make him more them double times stronger them before, while rn we don't have oficial multipliers for blood amps, just that they make you stronger but by unkow amout

There are 2 completely different abilities. The first is the ability to travel between realms and the second is space-time manipulation. Don't group them up.

Neutral with the dimensional travel.

Fair enougth for me

Space-time manip is fine, should be noted that demons don't normally apply demonic power in this way tho.

Well, does the Hell Gates count as space-time shenarigans? or just sealing since demons are the reasons that they are able to open them

No. Hell, why would that ability even be shared with the Sparda kin when Dante, specifically Vol 2 Dante, is the one that shows that ability.

I mean either they get the precog or the ability to resist, both works for me imo

Althout Mundus creating the BH would give him his abilities? I talked with some people and they say he should get them, what you think about that tbh?

If Mundus gets them some demons would scale to that i supose

This should be only perception manip (both links end in the same page). Now the scan says Dante has trouble doing shit here but this is just a product of the first game being the first game as he casually dips in the demon world in the next entries in the series.

Should be fine

Ok

Nothing here remotely even implies life force absorption, let alone fate manipulation. Hard disagree with this.

Fair imo

Althougt would this support life force for DW?

This is fine, just fix the description because the first scan is talking about the earth/planet, the second scan only says world (not Human World) .

Roger that boss

Pretty sure Abstractions debunked this with her thread a long time ago. But anyways, nothing in the scan says the air is toxic or poisonous, just acidic in taste.

Disagree

Really? Well, fair them imo

BFR is fine. I don't know if this would qualify as vector manipulation tho.

Well, this would work no? Since as mentioned by Nero, after the Mitis Forest got contaminated with demonic power, the forest layout change at his own will along with the fact that no matter which way you go, you will always end up right were you started, what do you think about this one for vector haxs?

Nothing in the scan implies demons resist sealing.

I know a lot of the weird stuff that happens in Mallet is because of it's connection with the underworld but nothing here implies the demon world does that and even if it did no one resists it anyways. The first scan even implies demons are the ones doing it.

Disagree

I mean, we see some demons like the Stchyches ghosts getting out of walls in DMC1 depite the places being seald would that count?

Plus, is not only in DMC1 that we see seals being made like that in the DW, we see this in DMC2 and forward games, so would that coult for resistance for sealing?

That's not a resistance.

I mean, when demons are getting transmuted in the tree of the DW by some parasites like the Leecth Seeds, they still are not affected by the DW shenarigans, does that count?

Holy hell, why make the description so big?

This is a word salad that imo doesn't even explain what resistance you are trying to get.
https://imgur.com/a/NKdVruQ

My bad thouth i should add as much as possible to make the resistance valid

I just want resistance to sensory abilites, nothing more there

You either got the wrong scan or misunderstood something from there.

If this is the correct scan then i disagree, nothing here says death hax (and if the scan you meant to use is the one I'm thinking then I still disagree because people die in the demon world due to all the dangerous stuff going on)

I see, i got the wrong scan, my bad there XD

Well, i guess is fair imo if the context is not better

Uh, what? When were demons stated to be resistant to each other abilities? Or when has a demon resisted this?

I mean don't we aceept demons resisting their abilites rn as standart?

The only ones who have done this are Dante and Mundus, not nearly enough to grant it to every demon on their level.
https://imgur.com/a/apmrE4M

I mean, demons can survive in the nexus, and can get to close to it as stronger they are, it would count no? just that stronger demons get better resistances imo

This is not how it works. The scan doesn't even mention anything about them resisting anything. Just because you don't die to something and heal later doesn't mean you resist it.

Hard disagree.

Well, fair imo

No demon has ever done that bar Void Mundus and Dante, one who became one with the nexus and the other was straight up immune to it.

OG Mundus and Argosax did since they can manipulate the DWE, plus the stronger the demons get the stronger they can survive there, so it should count no?

Disagree
https://imgur.com/a/evolving-against-dwe-as-tony-s9IToxu

Show me any demon tanking the deconstruction and surviving, otherwise hard no.

I mean, the DMC3 guidebbok says that Dante's bullets can descontruct his enemies, would that prove it is something automatic?

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Well in the last thread Glass says he agrees with you on everithing you said and agree, since you agree with invunerability, i think it got accepted imo

Well, then that thread should be bumped ig

Not really, demons have fear empowerement, not emotion empoerement, they can feed on everithing type of emotions not just fear, so i don't think we have that accepted rn

You are absolutely right, my bad there.

The blood thing is becaue that shows that even just some mere human blood on a low tier demons can make him more them double times stronger them before, while rn we don't have oficial multipliers for blood amps, just that they make you stronger but by unkow amout

I mean, yeah but it's already in the demon phys page, if anything just add the scans if needed and more explanation

Well, does the Hell Gates count as space-time shenarigans? or just sealing since demons are the reasons that they are able to open them

Hell Gates are one thing and demons sealing doors are another completely different.

Hell Gates are basically portals so leave it as that.

I mean either they get the precog or the ability to resist, both works for me imo

Althout Mundus creating the BH would give him his abilities? I talked with some people and they say he should get them, what you think about that tbh?

If Mundus gets them some demons would scale to that i supose

It doesn't scale to anyone.

No. Site standards need Mundus actually displaying those abilities as we don't grant them by default from stuff someone creates.

Even if Mundus somehow got it no one would scale.

Althougt would this support life force for DW?

I think so, yes.

Well, this would work no? Since as mentioned by Nero, after the Mitis Forest got contaminated with demonic power, the forest layout change at his own will along with the fact that no matter which way you go, you will always end up right were you started, what do you think about this one for vector haxs?

I absolutely have no idea. Idk how vectors are applied as a power or how this would qualify. Wait for staff here ig

I mean, we see some demons like the Stchyches ghosts getting out of walls in DMC1 depite the places being seald would that count?

Plus, is not only in DMC1 that we see seals being made like that in the DW, we see this in DMC2 and forward games, so would that coult for resistance for sealing?

I think that's gameplay stuff because the seals in game work like walls and enemies that can phase through walls can move through the seal while foot enemies can't.

I personally still disagree but wait for staff here.

I mean, when demons are getting transmuted in the tree of the DW by some parasites like the Leecth Seeds, they still are not affected by the DW shenarigans, does that count?

I don't remember that ever happening, can you get a scan for that?

My bad thouth i should add as much as possible to make the resistance valid

I just want resistance to sensory abilites, nothing more there

Let's leave that for it's own thread, deal? cuz the scans and the description make it kinda hard to go through it

I mean don't we aceept demons resisting their abilites rn as standart?

Nope. We need proof of them resisting each other's powers, heck, the reason why Dante has so many resistances is because he explicitly resist said powers.

I mean, demons can survive in the nexus, and can get to close to it as stronger they are, it would count no? just that stronger demons get better resistances imo

The thing is that not only are the demons from the alternative universe stronger they also start falling one by one without ever specifying who, where and how close they were to the nexus. IIRC only one general made it with Dante close enough to the castle before being overwhelmed too.

In short, this is actually hard to quantify (and the reason why I wanted countless/infinite layers of hax) so it can't be used for anyone except the top dogs of the verse (Mundus and Dante in this case)

OG Mundus and Argosax did since they can manipulate the DWE, plus the stronger the demons get the stronger they can survive there, so it should count no?

While, yes, they had control over the DW and the DWE, none of them fused with the Heart/Nexus nor do we have proof to say they got to it so we can't scale them.

It would be a weaker character scaling because a stronger one could do it while the weaker one doesn't have proof of doing so.

I mean, the DMC3 guidebbok says that Dante's bullets can descontruct his enemies, would that prove it is something automatic?

Nope. If it said something like "every bullet" then yeah, you would have a case and we would have a problem but that's not the case here.



ALso please add the tags to the OP so we can find this.
Also, also, care to strike the rejected parts so staff can evaluate the OP easier?

 

[Mister6ame6]

Well, then that thread should be bumped ig

Yeah, re-checked just to make sure, we finally got invunerability to demons i'm guess

I think that's gameplay stuff because the seals in game work like walls and enemies that can phase through walls can move through the seal while foot enemies can't.

I personally still disagree but wait for staff here.

Well, fair imo, but would at least DK levels scale? Since Sparda and co needed to join forces to seal them away along with even using stuff like the Arcanas to keep them at bay

I don't remember that ever happening, can you get a scan for that?

Well, the Chimera Seeds are shown to be capable of fighting off Chimera Seed when they try to take over their bodies[1], which when the seeds parasite their victims, they will sprout weapons from their bodies that will attack with no regards of the host's movements along with making them more aggressive and also more stronger along with eventually they will start absorbing the nutrients of their bodies and turning then into a tree of the Demon World

I was planning to upgrade the Chimera Seeds haxs resistances section since there is more stuff that is explained in the guidebooks

What you think?

ALso please add the tags to the OP so we can find this.
Also, also, care to strike the rejected parts so staff can evaluate the OP easier?

Sure, i will do that

Fair on the rest tho

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Bump

 

[Planck69]

Can someone summarize the current issues? I've read the OP, am I right to assume the crossed out portions are no longer being argued?

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Can someone summarize the current issues? I've read the OP, am I right to assume the crossed out portions are no longer being argued?

Yeah, we can close it now I suppose.