Monika vs Novel Kars

[Paulo.junior.969]

She deletes because she realizes that there's no point in keeping the game because everyone will be sad at the end of the day. And it's not an actual fight, and she didn't delete because she was fighting or for power.

She realizes that there's no point in keeping the game because everyone will be sad at the end of the day and deletes Kars.

Also, yes, it was a fight (a fight is literally any type of conflict between two character), Sayori was going to take over the game, Monika appeared and said "lol no" and deleted everything.

 

[StrymULTRA]

As I've understood from the votes

Monika : 2 (Saikou The Lewd King , The Wright Way )

Novel Kars : 2 (EmperorDoom25 , Kyschan21 )

Inconclusive: 0

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Also, keep in mind OP has placed the fight during Act 3, meaning when Kars arrives at the battlefield, the script has already been deleted and the world is a timeless place where nothing can happen against Monika's will.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

She only used the mindhax technique in order to avoid "breaking the fourth wall" and to let the player play the game normally. And she was under absolutely no pressure during this.

Again, once she dropped the act and truly wanted someone dead she went for EE ASAP. It's dumb to assume she'd mindhax Kars and just patientely wait for him to kill her.

 

[Ogbunabali]

Ok never mind that.

Does she or does she not start being non existant?

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Also, I just realized this entire discussion is pointless anyway because the OP said "the Club President wants to delete this bizzare half naked intruder", meaning the current battle assumption is that Monika just wants him deleted.

 

[DMB_1]

Monika's Bizarre Literature Club

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

She doesn't start non-existent. But the point is that her she doesn't need her physical mind to exist and think. So affecting her physical mind won't actually incap her.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

By the way, I'm not voting Monika because this is a total stomp against Kars due to having no defence against Plot.

 

[Paul_Frank]

Do we assume she turns non existent after dying normally too?

 

[Ogbunabali]

It doesn't matter if she exists physically. He will still affect her mind.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

She doesn't need a mind, she can survive as nothingness.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

It's the same issue as people arguing you can knock out someone with Godly regen. If the erasure of your mind as a whole doesn't impede you, neither should just damaging or manipulating it.

 

[Ogbunabali]

Ok that's not how it works. You either treat her as a physical being that gets affected by physical stuff, that after she gets killed turns non existent. Or treat her as a non existent from the start and make her physical body be something like an avatar or a vessel or something at which point this becomes a stomp, because there's nothing Kars can do.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

We also have to keep in mind that whether Whitesnake would work or not is irrelevant, since the fight takes place in a timeless void where nothing can happen against Monika's will, meaning if she doesn't want him to beat her, he won't. The only way this was defeated in canon was because a being who exists outside of the game and is unaffected by the plot in any way decided to erase her.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

"If the erasure of your mind as a whole doesn't impede you, neither should just damaging or manipulating it."

I'd like a counter to this.

Also it's honestly not "She turns nonexistent once killed" and more like "she can keep living even after being erased, thus making her nonexsitent". But lower levels of damage like mindhax or getting punched really hard shouldn't kill her either.

 

[Ogbunabali]

You can't have your cake and eat it too, pick one.

She is either not non existent at all and only becomes one when she is killed, or she is always non existent.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Kars trying to affect her mind triggers her turning into non existent, because its taking away her mind, which she can live without. Also, keep in mind Kars will never get to use any of his Stands on her regardless.

 

[Sadistic_Sleuth]

>Strongest JJBA character vs the Most willing to kill DDLC character

Following, don't mind this image

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

"Also it's honestly not "She turns nonexistent once killed" and more like "she can keep living even after being erased, thus making her nonexsitent". But lower levels of damage like mindhax or getting punched really hard shouldn't kill her either."

She may have a physical body, but her "true" form is nonexistent. Same goes for her mind.

 

[Ogbunabali]

Well it's a stomp then, there's literally nothing Kars can do to a non existent.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Well there is always the option of Kars copying Monika's nonexistence and stalemating, but it's rather unlikely.

 

[Ogbunabali]

Not sure how NLF Kars's understanding is treated. If we do assume he can understand her, that would happen basically instantly when the fight starts.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Yeah, it's a stomp.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Rip, turned this from a stomp for Kars into a stomp for Monika in minutes.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Monika changed the plot to make it a stomp for her.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Seriously tho, close this, Monika crushes.