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Naruto: Kaguya upgrade

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Well...hi...

A little upgrade to Kaguya...would be...nice. 1. Kaguya, as we all know, has the ability to create and destroy entire dimensions via her Expanding Truth Seeking Ball technique, of which all were shown / implied to have a Star revolving around it.

The realms which Kaguya has control over all have a day-night cycle,indicative of a Star.

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The scan above showcases the Core Realm to have outer-space, hence essentially explaining the rays of light that were previously on the surface of the ice realm.

Kaguya was going to destroy this dimension, and was going to create another one, with the ETSO, as highlighted by Black Zetsu and the recent Databook:

<http://www.**********.com/naruto/689/7>

"Kaguya's Expansive Truthseeker Orb (Þå¿Õ╝Áµ▒éÚüôþÄë, Bōchō Gudōdama) is listed as a Kekkei Mora ninjutsu. It says that she used the Divine Tree to absorb chakra from all of the shinobi and create a maximized (µÑÁÕñºÕîû) Truthseeker Orb. _Comprised of all five elements and yin-yang, it had the power to oblitrate the world and return it to nothing.__"_

At least Star+ Kaguya from the use of dimension creation / destruction. This is also consistent with recent showings in the Boruto Movie, which I can elaborate on later.

2. Kaguya has been depicted as being far superior to Naruto in terms of speed, whom has been calculated to be Light Speed.

<https://plus.google.com/+Goku15/posts/VZAbprHG9Bg>

Kaguya is 4x this speed on the basis of:

Hagoromo having half of her power.

Naruto having half of Hagoromo's power.

Sharingan / Precognition, Teleportation and such abilities would suffice for Kaguya as well. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Credits to Akashi le Britannia Again, to go through Kaguya's feat.

Kaguya was going to destroy her core realm, which she initially created beforehand.

In Kaguya's Ice Realm, we can see a moo - in Kaguya's core realm, we can see outer space. Ergo, Kaguya's realms have outer space. Hence, the logical explanation for sun rays in the ice realm is that of a star.

When Naruto and Sasuke fought Kaguya is her ice realm, it was day time. When Sasuke fought Momoshiki in Kaguya's ice realm, it was night time.

Therefore, Kaguya's realm's have a day-night cycle, indicative of a Star.

Also, in the recent Anime Episode for Naruto: Shippuden, a Star was literally shown to be present inside the dimension.

As a reminder of what her dimension consists of:

- A Star providing light.

- And the Planet itself.

Kaguya was going to destroy this, and created this thousands of years prior.Star+ feat, while somewhat casual.

Citations:

<http://imgur.com/aOu7JhX>

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<http://imgur.com/eQcT0Hj>´╗┐ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Again, Credits to Akashi le Britannia
 
The plus is only used when a calc denotes the higher end of a tier. The link to the light speed calc isn't working (also, faulty powerscaling). We generally don't deem anime feats as canon to the Naruto verse. I have no problem with star level Kaguya if it's with TSB only, and even then Likely or possibly may be more appropriate, as the only time one was shown is in the anime.
 
TheMightyRegulator said:
The plus is only used when a calc denotes the higher end of a tier. The link to the light speed calc isn't working (also, faulty powerscaling). We generally don't deem anime feats as canon to the Naruto verse. I have no problem with star level Kaguya if it's with TSB only, and even then Likely or possibly may be more appropriate, as the only time one was shown is in the anime.
Ok. So, Possibly Star or Likely Kaguya?

I will also see if i can find the Calc since it seems the person that made it blocked me.

"We generally don't deem anime feats as canon to the Naruto verse." How so?

And no. It was also shown in the Manga.
 
If Kaguya was star level she would've disintegrated Naruto and Sasuke without a sweat. Her tier is fine where it is
 
I really dont think Naruto is lightspeed in any way...

As far as the Kaguya thing goes, I agree with that. The ice realm has a day/night cycle and a confirmed moon, the sand dimension was shown with light rays and Sasuke had to shade his eyes from the sun, and the core dimension had outer space. Since Kaguya could create/destroy those dimensions I agree with "Star Level with ETSB". Please note only with ETSB, if Kaguya's regular attacks were Star Level she should have splattered Naruto and Sasuke...
 
Faisal Shourov said:
If Kaguya was star level she would've disintegrated Naruto and Sasuke without a sweat. Her tier is fine where it is
Not at all. This is only with ETSB.
 
FinalBattleX01 said:
I really dont think Naruto is lightspeed in any way...
As far as the Kaguya thing goes, I agree with that. The ice realm has a day/night cycle and a confirmed moon, the sand dimension was shown with light rays and Sasuke had to shade his eyes from the sun, and the core dimension had outer space. Since Kaguya could create/destroy those dimensions I agree with "Star Level with ETSB". Please note only with ETSB, if Kaguya's regular attacks were Star Level she should have splattered Naruto and Sasuke...
Totally agreed.
 
ZeusGOH said:
Not at all. This is only with ETSB.
The ETSB is completely featless and we're assuming her stats as it is. She was never stated to destroy anything tangible on panel, her being able to bust stars in her dimension is reaching.
 
Faisal Shourov said:
ZeusGOH said:
Not at all. This is only with ETSB.
The ETSB is completely featless and we're assuming her stats as it is. She was never stated to destroy anything tangible on panel, her being able to bust stars in her dimension is reaching.
Wrong. It has statements that have NEVER been contradicted.

And even if we are assuming that everything i posted with proofs Is completely legit and canon as it is.

Her ETSB was.

It isn't. I want you to try and debunk all the things i posted since it seems you are ignoring them.

It is proven that there is at least 1 star in her dimension. And ETSB is stated to destroy the dimension and create a new one.
 
@Zeus Just checking, but I currently will kept a eye on this thread to prevent the derail of this thread. Also you don't tell people on what they should do anyway.
 
There is nothing to debunk. ETSB is completely featless as it is and her being able to bust star is nothing but speculation. Please show a single scan where it says she could bust a star. We don't give upgrades based on speculation.

This same logic is used by fanboys to make Kaguya universal/multiversal by saying there's outer space in her dimension. You could keep trying to increase her tier however you like with the outer space logic
 
Kaguya star level was already discussed and it is considered as inconsistency if I remember correctly. Either way I say we leave Kaguya the way she is since the ETSB is featless as Fiasal said.

For speed the link is broken for me.
 
AllanSaiyan said:
Kaguya star level was already discussed and it is considered as inconsistency if I remember correctly. Either way I say we leave Kaguya the way she is since the ETSB is featless as Fiasal said.
For speed the link is broken for me.
In fact it was. But i'm pretty sure they didn't show the links and things i posted.

I don't think i need to repeat myself.

Read my other comment please.

"it is considered as inconsistency" How? I showed a link to everything i said except the FTL Thing that is not working.
 
In fact it was. But i'm pretty sure they didn't show the links and things i posted.
I don't think i need to repeat myself.

read my other comment please.

Yes it was actually, more than ONCE. This thread will be locked pretty soon since the exact thing was made months before with exact scans and not approved. This topic will likely be banned if you don't drop it now.

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/133136

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/115346

As AllanSaiyan said, remove the star busting your OP and show scans for speed, otherwise this thread will get locked
 
Faisal Shourov said:
In fact it was. But i'm pretty sure they didn't show the links and things i posted.
I don't think i need to repeat myself.

read my other comment please.
Yes it was actually, more than ONCE. This thread will be locked pretty soon since the exact thing was made months before with exact scans and not approved. This topic will likely be banned if you don't drop it now.
https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/133136

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/115346

As AllanSaiyan said, remove the star busting your OP and show scans for speed, otherwise this thread will get locked

Wow! Claps*

I want to know how it isn't approved. Like seriously.

Give me a solid reason to drop it.

Oh, now i gotta remove Kaguya from my OP? oh, Amazing.

I'll show the scans for the speed in a second.

I still do not see how his is not approved.
 
@Faisal

The fact that it never actually blew up a star on panel means very little. Yhwach is also featless so for all we know his plan to merge the worlds is mere bluster. Goku and Beerus' punches shaking the universe apart is also mere statement since the universe never actually exploded. The list goes on and on. Statements are totally valid as long as they are reasonable. In this case the statement that Kaguya can destroy her dimensions is backed up by Zetsu, Kakashi and the Databook (and the fact that her dimensions have literally no other way of coming into being).

Also as I understand the other threads wanted Solar System Kaguya (one of them even argued this for all attacks) so I can see why there would be a problem.

I understand that Star Level is damn large, but if she can only exert that power through ETSB where's the inconsistency? Hell, Misaka Mikoto went from "Small Island" to "Small Star" and we accepted that since (much like this) it makes sense. Would it not make less sense to completely disregard the feat since it would leave the existence of Kaguya's dimensions up in the air?

Meh, whatever, I dont care that much either way, Kaguya is the worst thing to ever happen to Naruto...
 
FinalBattleX01 said:
@Faisal
The fact that it never actually blew up a star on panel means very little. Yhwach is also featless so for all we know his plan to merge the worlds is mere bluster. Goku and Beerus' punches shaking the universe apart is also mere statement since the universe never actually exploded. The list goes on and on. Statements are totally valid as long as they are reasonable. In this case the statement that Kaguya can destroy her dimensions is backed up by Zetsu, Kakashi and the Databook (and the fact that her dimensions have literally no other way of coming into being).

Also as I understand the other threads wanted Solar System Kaguya (one of them even argued this for all attacks) so I can see why there would be a problem.

I understand that Star Level is damn large, but if she can only exert that power through ETSB where's the inconsistency? Hell, Misaka Mikoto went from "Small Island" to "Small Star" and we accepted that since (much like this) it makes sense. Would it not make less sense to completely disregard the feat since it would leave the existence of Kaguya's dimensions up in the air?

Meh, whatever, I dont care that much either way, Kaguya is the worst thing to ever happen to Naruto...
Kaguya is trash lol.
 
@Final the difference with all of your points and this is that "destroying the dimension" in incredibly vague as to what that implies to. The Planet? The star? the solar system? Galaxy? Universe?

.Yhwach has countless statements about merging all the world, Goku and Beerus blows are nigh universal by shaking throughout the universe anyway, Misaka's small star was a direct statement with no other assumptions needing to be made whatsoever.
 
@LordAizenSama

Im sorry but I seem to misunderstand. Is the problem here the definition of "dimension"? I think its pretty clear what "dimension" means, the problem is what's contained within said dimension, and we can only go by what we have been shown. The largest celestial body we have been shown is a star, so our cap is Star Level.

Statements, you mean just like those Kaguya has? (also a few of those statements, namely the ones about his power keeping the worlds together were disproven as no cataclysmic event happened upon his death)

Reverberating through the universe and tearing it apart are two different things...

Well what assumptions are being made here? Its a direct statement by someone with no reason to lie and two implied statements by another character and the databook...

Look, like I said I dont much care so I wont bother arguing anymore but how about I offer a compromise:

I mentioned Yhwach so why dont we give her the Yhwach treatment? At least Planet Level, likely much higher? That way we aknowledge the fact that she can destroy her dimensions but avoid the "inconsistency" of Star Level.
 
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