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Minor Whis speed fix.

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KLOL506 said:
Half-serious Beerus > Base DBS Goku after gaining God ki - both are 196 quadrillion c

SSJ1, SSJ2, SSJ3, SSG and Pre-Goku Black Saga SSB- Massively above 196 quadrillion c

U6 Saga SSBKKx10- At least 19.6 quintillion c

SSB from Hit rematch and onwards- at least 19.6 quintillion c (Since apparently Goku only used SSB against Hit after going through a plethora of zenkais, training montages and other power ups due to Goku Black happening and other arcs I completely forgot, and Goku no longer needed to go towards Kaio-Ken on top)

ToP Saga SSBKKx20 Goku- at least 392 quintillion c

UIO1, UIO2 and UIO3 Goku- Massively above at least 392 quintillion c

MUI Goku- Even higher than the previous forms

SSB Goku post ToP- Massively above at least 392 quintillion c as his power level was now at the very least comparable to UIO2, but below UIO3 and MUI

That's the best I could come up with regarding the scaling chain for now.
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Thank you for helping out.
 
DivineAura44 said:
Isn't Post UIO2 SSB Goku stronger than UIO1? That would be a x20 boost cuz UI is stronger than SSBKKx20 right?
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Post ToP SSB Goku would be sorta superior to his first and second UIO forms, thanks for reminding me, also forgot that he then used SSBKKx20 against Jiren again. Will fix it a little bit again.
 
DivineAura44 said:
Wait. If he is stronger isn't that a 400x times boost?
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We don't know, UIO is... messy to begin with, it literally makes Goku jump well into blatant 4-D power, so this is the most conservative estimate I could come up with for speed.
 
KLOL506 said:
Post ToP SSB Goku would be sorta superior to his first and second UIO forms, thanks for reminding me, also forgot that he then used SSBKKx20 against Jiren again. Will fix it a little bit again.
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Why not downscale his base speed from all the power upes which put him above 196 quadrillion xC.
 
San-Kakarot said:
Why not downscale his base speed from all the power upes which put him above 196 quadrillion xC.
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Because his base self already absorbed the God Ki and easily kept up with the half-serious Beerus (Whom I'm assuming to be half as fast as his serious "3/4 that of Whis's speed" 375 quadrillion c self, which would be around 187.5 quadrillion c), not to mention the other Zenkais would boost his base speed to that level eventually even if we downscaled, and the fact that we can't downscale arbitrarily unless we have a properly-calc'd feat showing Goku to be slower in base.
 
What I mean is UIO should be stronger than x20
So UIO x20>
Don't know the boost for the Blue after
Post UIO2 SSBKKx20 don't know either, should scale to UIO1
UIO3 should be more again and from there SSBKx20 should scale to UIO2.
 
KLOL506 said:
Because his base self already absorbed the God Ki and easily kept up with the half-serious Beerus (Whom I'm assuming to be half as fast as his serious 375 quadrillion c self, which would be around 187.5 quadrillion c), not to mention the other Zenkais would boost his base speed to that level eventually even if we downscaled, and the fact that we can't downscale arbitrarily unless we have a properly-calc'd feat showing Goku to be slower in base.
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I mean 196 quadrillion xC is Base BOG arc Goku he should be in the quitillions to xC after the ToP in base.
 
KLOL506 said:
OK so...

Half-serious Beerus > Base DBS Goku after gaining God ki - both are 196 quadrillion c

SSJ1, SSJ2, SSJ3, SSG and Pre-Goku Black Saga SSB- Massively above 196 quadrillion c

U6 Saga SSBKKx10- At least 19.6 quintillion c

SSB from Hit rematch and onwards- at least 19.6 quintillion c (Since apparently Goku only used SSB against Hit after going through a plethora of zenkais, training montages and other power ups due to Goku Black happening and other arcs I completely forgot, and Goku no longer needed to go towards Kaio-Ken on top)

ToP Saga SSBKKx20 Goku 1st bout- at least 392 quintillion c

UIO1 and UIO2 Goku- Massively above at least 392 quintillion c

SSB Goku post ToP- Massively above at least 392 quintillion c as his power level was now at the very least comparable to UIO2, but below UIO3 and MUI

SSB Goku KKx20 post-ToP against Jiren for a second bout, battle-damage edition- At least 7.84 sextillion c

UIO3 Goku- >>>>>>>> At least 7.84 sextillion c

MUI Goku- Even higher than the previous forms

That's the best I could come up with regarding the scaling chain for now.
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KLOL506 said:
Pretty sure according to my even more conservative multipliers he wouldn't get out of the quintillions range.
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Yeah ummm.
 
San-Kakarot said:
I mean his base would be above 196 quadrillion xC at the end of the serie Goku. Using that BOG arc speed for base Goku for EoS base Goku is massive downplay
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Ah. I get you now. Prolly we could find someone within the ToP or Broly Saga that kept up with Goku's higher forms whom Goku then also kept up with in Base.

Like I said, even with my current scaling chain, I am missing out a lot of the other characters' scaling chains, arcs and whatnot, so help would be appreciated to figure out which other characters also scale.
 
KLOL506 said:
Pretty sure Goku got a Senzu after the fight was over.

But yes, it'd be a Zenkai boost alright
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I’m talking about immediately after MUI ran out. But either way, that was his base and he got a Zenkai boost. If it’s a zenkai boost, that’s a power-up, and he fights a Jiren who still has his firey aura (an indication of him not holding back). That should be decent, right?

I don’t remember the senzu bean part, but I don’t think it’s relevant to my point either way.
 
San-Kakarot said:
So you think BOG base Goku speed = EoS base Goku?
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Absolutely not. Like I said, I'm pretty sure we could find someone somewhere in the ToP arc or Broly saga who scales to Goku's higher forms and then Goku also kept up with them in base, as I cannot state clearly enough, my scaling chain is incomplete and doesn't factor in the multiple other arcs that Goku had.
 
We can compare the UIO boost that Goku because if Post ToP SSB Goku is stronger than UI then we can backwards scale.
 
KLOL506 said:
Absolutely not. Like I said, I'm pretty sure we could find someone somewhere in the ToP arc or Broly saga who scales to Goku's higher forms and then Goku also kept up with them in base, as I cannot state clearly enough, my scaling chain is incomplete and doesn't factor in the multiple other arcs that Goku had.
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I definitely didn't, it was just the best I could find.
 
DivineAura44 said:
We can compare the UIO boost that Goku because if Post ToP SSB Goku is stronger than UI then we can backwards scale.
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That and we could also find other characters that could keep up with Goku's higher forms and then Base Goku keeping up with them in return.
 
KLOL506 said:
That and we could also find other characters that could keep up with Goku's higher forms and then Base Goku keeping up with them in return.
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Jiren, actually. Did you read my comment? If not, please do.

There’s a scan I need to find for Jiren’s “heat” aura being an indication of a certain level of power. Once I find that, do you think that’d be usable?
 
Axxtentacle said:
Jiren, actually. Did you read my comment? If not, please do.

There’s a scan I need to find for Jiren’s “heat” aura being an indication of a certain level of power. Once I find that, do you think that’d be usable?
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That'd be appreciated.
 
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