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3x the difference is a way bigger gap than you'd think. Deku's power would be less than half of Bakugo's durability/AP at that point. He caught him off guard anyway so I don't think this is a reason to scale him to 8-C.
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MHA AP and Durability Upgrades
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Oh because 3x kinda sounds small
maybe it’s just all the years of anime multipliers going over 5x and barely changing a fight
Understandable though
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The upgrade to 5% is actually 4.79 Tons which makes the gap even bigger.
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Oh yeah the 4 ton calc
Although it should be noted that also potentially Affects KnuckleDuster and Number 6 since he could Harm a young stain who can withstand 5%
Bare minimum they downscale since stain could’ve gotten stronger over time
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What? Bakugo got a bit stronger after that, we are downscaling Deku and using that feat to support his 8-C+ rating.
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Bakugo got stronger, but it wasn't anything notable. You can't even scale Deku's Base to Bakugo. He completely got destroyed in their first fight.
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What kind of logic is this? Deku hurt Bakugo and that's an undeniable fact.
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Exceptionally flawed just to you, who insist on using headcanons instead of straightforward statements and clear feats, trying to paint them as somehow vague.
If your only argument is that his AP is too high for your taste, then I'm sorry, that's not the way things work here.
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The problem with that is that Bakugo was caught off guard. Not only that, if he hurt him, then he'd be High 8-C in his base, which would be an obvious outlier in comparison to 5%. He even used his own momentum to slam him into the ground. Deku scaling to Bakugo like this would literally make no sense.
It's not headcanon. Deku's statement about his 5% is way too vague to grant a numerical value on how much 5% increases his strength. You can't use "small" as a multiplier. His statement is basically the same thing as saying "I'm way faster than Mach 1." Like, how much faster than Mach 1? Mach 1, Mach 2, hell, even Mach 5? You wouldn't know and your guess would be good as anyones.
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This isn't Dragon Ball, where if you're caught off guard your durability suddenly decreases. As other users have said before, this Bakugo is a bit weaker and Deku didn't severely hurt him, at least compared to his 5% punch in the Final Exam Arc. Deku never used Bakugo's momentum, he blocked and stopped Bakugo's right hook using both arms and then proceeded to slam him into the ground.
I don't think there's anything vague about it, and we never really need an exact numerical value. If the difference is small, then we do the same thing we always do, downscale. Trying to make base Deku dozens of times weaker than his 5% is much more unreasonable for feats and statements than simply downscaling him from High 8-C.
Deku cutting a robot is not even a valid feat anymore, as we don't know their durability, so his scaling with 5% and Bakugo is absolutely all that he has.
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There's evidence to back up how ludicrous the gap between 5% and his base is. It's implied he would've been a pancake after one-shotting the Zero Pointer due to the height he would've fallen from. 5% wouldn't have even broken a bone from that height. He was even getting bullied by some of Bakugo's smaller explosions. His smaller explosions, the explosions that imply he's holding back.
Hell, it's even stated he would've died from his grenade bracer blast had it been a direct hit. And mind you, the bracers are basically some of his strongest attacks. They can get up to about High 8-C. (At 3.71 Tons) In simpler terms, that means he would get one-shotted by a 5% level attack, at least. So explain to me how someone's who's at least capable of withstanding High 8-C level attacks, (or damaging people who are High 8-C) would die from a High 8-C level blast? And it's not like Bakugo or All Might was bluffing. Bakugo flat out stated, "He won't die if it's not a direct hit!"
There's also the fact the landmines are basically stated (by Deku himself) to only be capable of knocking around people. Doing minimal to no damage at all. So in summary, all the 8-C scaling for Base Deku is practically incorrect. His statement has been contradicted several times and has proven to be vague by all the evidence I've posted. So I HEAVILY doubt 8-C, let alone 8-C+ is concrete. There is no downscaling from this.
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I'm pretty sure 5% have never felt from that height as well, and much less with two broken legs. Even Bakugo's smaller explosions can burn characters on his level so it's not like it really matter, and I'm not sure how this disprove Deku's rating 8-C+ when he is downscaling from Bakugo's durability, not his explosions.
That explosion calc is outdated and the result is actually way higher than that, so there's no point in discussing this paragraph.
Those landmines are capable of sending people flying several meters into the air at Subsonic speeds, just with that I got Wall level results, but the main point wasn't that, my point is that the feat is worthless and Deku hurting Bakugo and the 5% scaling is all that he has to gauge his Attack Potency, why are you even bringing this up?
That explosion calc is outdated and the result is actually way higher than that, so there's no point in discussing this paragraph.
Those landmines are capable of sending people flying several meters into the air at Subsonic speeds, just with that I got Wall level results, but the main point wasn't that, my point is that the feat is worthless and Deku hurting Bakugo and the 5% scaling is all that he has to gauge his Attack Potency, why are you even bringing this up?
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If 5% actually did fall from that height, he would've survived with very little if not no damage at all. Any 8-C+ character could survive falling from a height like that at terminal velocity. This is a basic kinetic/potential energy situation.
"Even Bakugo's smaller explosions can burn characters on his level." Burning and actual force are two different things. Burning would be classified as durability negation since it's basically like fire. So that wouldn't really count. Not only that, Deku only managed to stun him, nothing proves he actually damaged him, for the most part. He wasn't even really winded, just caught off guard.
How is the Grenade Bracer explosion outdated? I've recalculated it several times and can barely get above 4 Tons of TNT? There's no basis for this. Even if we assume it's outdated, it's stated to be Bakugo's full power but without risk. Like it or not, he was holding back against Deku, vastly.
When was is it stated, calculated, or implied people were sent at Subsonic speeds from the explosion? Even if we assume that each bomb is only Wall level, that wouldn't really make the bigger explosion 8-C or most likely 9-A+.
Even ignoring all the other issues backing up 8-C+ Base Deku (which is supposedly unimportant) your main point is somehow even more flawed due to the fact that Base Deku didn't really even damage Bakugo, more like stun him. So really it's faulty anyway.
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I can edit Bakugo's page right?
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I think there is a consensus on Bakugo’s Explosion AP so I guess?
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Yeah no one disagreed and King, you and Damage seem to be on my side.
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Shigaraki's clone was High 8-C and he died from the fall of the building, and he didn't have two broken legs that would have make him completely unable to do anything, it's pretty obvious Hori doesn't care about our calcs or he simply overestimates fall damage like any other fictional work.
I know? Your point was that base Deku shouldn't have been damaged by those smaller explosions (even though they can ignore some durability because of the heat, even you agreeing with that). You bring these arguments out of nowhere and then make it look like I was using them to support Deku's rating.
Remember our discussion with the storey height? There are office buildings in the panel so I used them to measure the explosion, and got 9.19 tons. I don't remember you calculating that explosion.
Why do you keep comparing the power of his strongest of his strongest explosions to Deku again? Because I have never used that.
I calculated myself using the anime.
Once again, I know, your first point about this was that the explosions only knock people around and they are completely harmless, which I refuted by saying they can send people flying several meters away at Subsonic speeds, making them quite letal to normal people. My second point was that the explosion with several landmines is a worthless feat that doesn't even come close the 9-A+, and that Deku only have his scaling with Bakugo and 5% as decent feats.
So Bakugo complaining about the pain is somehow just stunning him? I can't agree with that. You also forgot Deku blocking Bakugo's right hook, which is yet another feat that can support his rating.
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Okay I have no idea what's going on, but let's not judge anything by falling. Even a 9-B would take no damage from falling at terminal velocity. Terminal Velocity for a human is around 100 kj or over 100x weaker than even baseline 9-A.
Can I get a summary here, what are you all arguing about?
Can I get a summary here, what are you all arguing about?
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Tldr it's Deku's statement of hs 5% being a small increase.
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Shigaraki's clone should actually be weaker than Shigaraki himself since it's a clone made by Twice's quirk. Not only that, even if we argue that it was Shigaraki himself, it'd be an outlier thanks to prior feats. Even a human who'd be 9-B+ would be capable of surviving a fall from outer space.
"So Bakugo complaining about the pain is somehow just stunning him?" Bakugo never complained about Deku damaging him, to begin with, in fact, he got right back up after he slammed him into the ground. Deku didn't even stand a chance against a Bakugo who was holding back. There's no way he's 8-C+ here.
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I can understand the problem, because of our calcs creates such a big gap. I honestly don't care about Base Izuku's ranking though.
Though didn't Izuku launch himself into a wall at 5% when he was trying to wall jump, before he learned Full Cowl. Only his legs were reinforced, yet his entire body slams right into a wall. Maybe I'm off about something, but would that support backward scaling from 5% or am I missing something?
I think that's chapter 47 or 48.
Though didn't Izuku launch himself into a wall at 5% when he was trying to wall jump, before he learned Full Cowl. Only his legs were reinforced, yet his entire body slams right into a wall. Maybe I'm off about something, but would that support backward scaling from 5% or am I missing something?
I think that's chapter 47 or 48.
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That wouldn't really make his Base durability 8-C+. That would just be an example of kinetic energy being a bitch to him.
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Why? Am I missing something obvious, because I'll feel stupid if I am.
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Basically, he jumped up using 5% in his legs and hit the wall. Although, it wouldn't be that impressive thanks to it only being a kinetic energy feat. It'd only be 9-B+ factoring in the speed he jumped at. Which honestly? Would contradict the 8-C+ rating.
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Woah, why was Bakugo downgraded?
Did everyone really agree with that?
Did everyone really agree with that?
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It was Shigaraki's clone who survived the High 8-C attack. And yes a 9-A human couldn't not only survive that fall, they would be immune to bullets, which is neither the case in MHA and many other works of fiction.
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You didn't, 5% Deku jumping backwards can hurt Bakugo as well.
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You did. Him slamming into the wall wouldn't actually be High 8-C. It'd only be 9-B+ due to how fast he slammed into it.
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So 5% is being downgraded to 9-B+, where is that coming from?
You're not making any sense, I'm so lost what's even happening here.
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5% isn't being downgraded. He only focused 5% on his legs. Everything else is his Base durability.
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Wait Don’t we consider Mustard’s Gun 8-C?
I thought the belief here was that MHA guns are stronger
I’m not disagreeing with a 9-A human being able to neg irl bullets I’m just curious about that
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can someone summarize the current arguments
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Why would we?
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I remember looking at his wiki page it literally says there 8-C with gun
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It's technically not a downgrade since he has dura neg but I asked like twice and no one said they disagreed. Plus like 3 other people in this thread agreed.
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I thought you were just gonna put he can ignore conventional durability, not downgrade him.
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