MG Upgrade Thread

[Dereck03]

Now that I'm done with my 12 days non-stop working schedule, I shall return to my upgrades threads.​

Previous Anos' profile had.

Limited Void Manipulation & Nonexistent Physiology (Nature Types 2, 3 & Aspect Type 1, 2, and 3 for his source; Anos' source is fused with Graham's nothingness and he is capable of using the latter's nothingness as a "shield" which converts whatever it interacts with into nothingness, to protect himself or to attack. Anos' source is stated to be even emptier than graham's nothingness)

Now the new proposal will be.

Nonexistent Physiology for his source (Nature Type 2; Aspects Type 1, 2, 3 & 4. Anos absorbed and superimposed Graham's nothingness into his own source. As a result of this, Roncruz stated that Anos' source is emptier than nothingness)

Roncruz's statement was translated by wiki translators here.

We have not yet translated the part where he uses Graham's source as a shield but it will be added when it is translated, but the current feat is enough for the moment.

Then another proposal is this.

Non-Physical Interaction (Could grab and absorb Graham's source of nothingness into his own source. Anos' source is continually destroying Graham's nothingness and his further states of nothingness)

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As for Venuzdonoa, it previously had.

Nonexistence Erasure (Can erase Graham's nothingness, though the latter could still regenerate it back due to his nature)

As for now, I want to add.

Nonexistence Erasure (Nature Type 2; Aspects Type 1, 2, 3 & 4. Venuzdonoa could destroy Graham's nihility)

-It should be noted that the raws do not say "order of nihility" (just in case to prevent misconceptions).

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And last but not least, Graham.
We previously had.

Existence Erasure & Void Manipulation (Whatever comes in contact with Graham nothingness turns into nothingness)

As for now, I want to add.

Existence Erasure & Void Manipulation (Graham's nothingness can erase targets upon contact, such as how he did so to Anos' hand)

That's all.

Agree. (0,8) Godsatoshi23, EldemadeDityjon, DemonKing021, Bernkastell, ROZAN-U, Dark_Soul20189 (Everything but NEP 2), HeavenlyVillain2, Saucy_Jackistan24.
Disagree. (0,1) Dark_Soul20189 (NEP 2)
Neutral.

 

[Godsatoshi23]

Seems straightforward

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Agree with the wank

 

[DemonKing021]

Agree with the thread. Also I have noticed that the official English translation is getting a lot of things wrong.

They really translated Graham's nothingness which is without reason as "Order of Nihility"..

 

[Bernkastelll]

Agree

 

[Dereck03]

Agree with the thread. Also I have noticed that the official English translation is getting a lot of things wrong.

They really translated Graham's nothingness which is without reason as "Order of Nihility"..

In fact it has some errors for minor things, I asked privately to a wiki translator since in the raw the word "order" was never used, he confirmed that in fact order was never used, but the word "reason", it should say

“Venuzdonoa can't keep destroying the reason of his nothingness for eternity.”

But well, it doesn't matter that much.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Well, I personally disagree with being emptier than void being NEP 2. though this is just my personal understanding of the ability.

 

[ROZAN-U]

agree

 

[Dereck03]

Well, I personally disagree with being emptier than void being NEP 2. though this is just my personal understanding of the ability.

Not only that, this nothingness that lacks reason is even more nothing than the concept of nothingness itself. And lacking reason/logic puts it in a physiological state superior to everything in the verse that is linked to reason/logic, so it is not a simple superior nothingness.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Not only that, this nothingness that lacks reason is even more nothing than the concept of nothingness itself. And lacking reason/logic puts it in a physiological state superior to everything in the verse that is linked to reason/logic.

That is not the problem for me, I see NEP 2 as being neither nothingness (0) nor existence (1). That means just being a deeper nothingness is just layered NEP 1 if that exists (I have seen this on some profiles at least).

Again though, this is just how I see the ability.

Though, if you can prove that the "nothingness" is not 0s, then that would be acceptable for me as NEP 2.

I do hope I made my case clear why I personally don't see it as an NEP 2, and instead just see it as Layered NEP 1.

 

[HeavenlyVillain2]

Agree

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Also, specifically disagree with NEP 2.

 

[Dereck03]

That is not the problem for me, I see NEP 2 as being neither nothingness (0) nor existence (1). That means just being a deeper nothingness is just layered NEP 1 if that exists (I have seen this on some profiles at least).

Again though, this is just how I see the ability.

Though, if you can prove that the "nothingness" is not 0s, then that would be acceptable for me as NEP 2.

I do hope I made my case clear why I personally don't see it as an NEP 2, and instead just see it as Layered NEP 1.

Good point, but here there is no layered nothingness as such (yet), since we have in verse, existence (1), nonexistence (0), Graham's source would be categorized as something different from common nonexistence, since this is the concept of nonexistence, which can be neither 0 nor 1 and therefore, Graham's true nothingness that lacks reason is neither 0 nor 1 nor the concept of nonexistence, since everything that has to do with concepts in the verse is linked to reason/logic, lacking this reason/logic makes everything unreasonable, Venuz is the best example of unreasonable walking sword.

And it's not that I say it's NEP just because I want it to be, this was discussed and accepted by DT and other staffs when the standards changed.

 

[HeavenlyVillain2]

Also, specifically disagree with NEP 2.

After Graham became "true nothingness" he said it was even beyond reason.

This means
Previously his NEP wasn't unbound by reason
Which suggests that it was still something that can be bound by logic.

But after he gained his true nothingness, it became beyond reason.
Which once again would suggest that currently Graham is something which is nothing, nothing at all that can't be bounded by anything.

If 0 is non-existence bound by reason and 1 is existence bound by reason, then Graham's nothingness would be none of them.
He would be a unique third state of nothingness beyond conventional nothingness.

And his all the time calling it "true nothingness" only validates it being a greater ontological nothingness state, which is NEP 2.

 

[Saucy_Jackistan24]

Obviously Agree with the thread, although, a question:

Wouldn’t Roncruz’s statement be referring to Graham’s nothingness? It would make sense considering Anos’s source is affiliated with chaotic destruction only and this was way after Anos absorbed Graham inside his source, which would further explain the “emptier than nothingness” that Roncruz was seeing inside his source (which Grahams nothingness deepens to an emptier state each time it is destroyed)

 

[Dereck03]

Wouldn’t Roncruz’s statement be referring to Graham’s nothingness? It would make sense considering Anos’s source is affiliated with chaotic destruction only and this was way after Anos absorbed Graham inside his source, which would further explain the “emptier than nothingness” that Roncruz was seeing inside his source (which Grahams nothingness deepens to an emptier state each time it is destroyed)

It actually refers to the same thing, since in reality both are merged into one through destruction and nothingness, that's why roncruz said that the compatibility between the 2 was very bad.

 

[Saucy_Jackistan24]

It actually refers to the same thing, since in reality both are merged into one through destruction and nothingness, that's why roncruz said that the compatibility between the 2 was very bad.

Ic, so you argue it’s merged

Very well then, count me in for Agree

 

[Dog3352]

So Graham is inside Anos? I bet some MG fan said this is gay in the ncode comments.

Agree with OP

 

[Damage3245]

Seems fine to me.

 

[ROZAN-U]

So Graham is inside Anos? I bet some MG fan said this is gay in the ncode comments.

Agree with OP

"some" would be understatement