Sorry, let me just say it then. I lost track of the convo from the sheer size of your responses. You're making paragraphs out of single sentences. Condense your points goddamn. I want to continue, you just make it unbearable.
I'd prefer honesty yeah. If it's simple and warrants just a single response, I'll do so, but we're juggling several topics here, with a whole slew of different sources, events, instances, games, manga, lore and examples for every single point brought up.
It's not "I disagree" it's "i disagree, here's why [reasoning] and also here's why I disagree with your reasoning". If you just want half-assed responses, sure, i disagree with your scaling, I find it disingenuous, hypocritical, mostly made up, and lacks a huge amount of evidence or concrete proof for the majority of what's on the profiles. That good enough? And pot meet kettle, your responses ain't exactly short either, but given the forum we're on, I hold no issues if you want to make long posts to reply to a long topic. It might get tedious, but best it get the proper attention it needs instead of just glossing over things.
For example, your next response can literally be summarized as: "I disagree with what we did. Ridley was just trying to humiliate her, not kill her, hence we shouldn't scale."
Better to go all in and cover as much ground as possible instead of just a simple half-baked response. And I wasn't responding to that exclusively, earlier in the thread you said it makes sense that a weaker character tanking hits but still losing would be a tier below, in the case of Ridley, but you failed to realize that tier difference is a 500x gap, yet you're doing the same exact thing here. It was more me disagreeing and also pointing out hypocrisy in the statement.
Also, you misinterpret every single response. I'm just explaining why the reasoning behind the scaling. This isn't an appeal to tradition, that's literally just trying to make sure we're arguing about the same things.
"maybe not this exact post, but you've done so multiple times now in general" - me.
I quite literally said you might not be doing that in that exact post, but you've done so numerous times throughout the this thread. And you bringing up the profiles continuously as evidence to back your claims means nothing given I'm contesting most of it in the first place. The profiles saying something is a nonargument. That was my point. It isn't me misinterpreting, it's me telling you to cut it out, I'm aware of what you're trying to say, I just vehemently disagree with based on the arguments and evidence provided.
And yes, the reasoning behind the scaling is faulty, which is why I take issue with it.
He started humiliating her after she transformed back to Zero Suit and he found out she was K2-L's survivor.
Not really, I just checked, Samus gets pissed, starts attacking MB and Ridley just swoops down and nonchalantly puts her on her ass and is like "Really? This is the
comrade? ". He even calls her pathetic. Worthless junk, and does so while laughing while he casually slaps her around. And when she goes to ZS, he gets pissed and tries some actual humiliation and tortue-esque methods upon learning who she was. And he's told to cut it out.
I already agreed 6-C was inaccurate back in the end of comment #47. I was pointing out the scaling was still accurate (Power Suit < Ridley < Varia Suit in Zero Mission), which you don't even address here.
Then find new scaling? We need actual new scaling Data, I've asked if you yourself had any ideas a few times now.
And I'm saying that scaling chain isn't accurate. I thought that was clear enough I vehemently with the Varia >>>> power Suit, at least in regards to some of its weaponry.
The missiles were in circulation far before S&J considering Joey's father already had experience with them.
And? How long before? He never specifies when, merely that he knows of them. Was it years and years prior to that scene? Or just a bit? We don't know, but we do know it wasn't before the events of ZM in that specific scene as Joey was there and wasn't a literal infant. So there's like a half decade timeframe it needs to fall into, ain't unlikely.
Also, surprisingly competent? Their entire factory full of these replicas was destroyed by a nuclear explosion that even Samus' gunship survived, and
at least ten of these Samus replicas were fought by the two bounty hunters in the earlier part of the manga.
Earlier part? You linked literally the last chapter of that manga my dude, unless you mean hose hunters were fought early on, which isn't an argument really, the manga starts off with Samus being roided as **** and she had some issues with them both.
And that one dude is strong as ****, he can cut through Samus' armor quite easily, he cleanly chops off a chunk of her arm-cannon, which is how they get the tech-specs in the first place. Plus we don't know how they actually faired but given one of them has a weapon that can harm Varia Samus and slice chunks of her off cleanly, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if he could take out powerful, albeit weaker, replicas of Samus' tech. (Actually those are Integra Units, wtf, they should've got their ass kicked).
And I'm aware of the nuclear explosion, I calced it even, it's like almost in the petaton range. Also, ignore that multiple weapons they made that pushed Samus to her limit and harmed her quite easily and most of the weapons based on Samus were destroyed by Samus and others on her way there, not the explosion.
Also what do you mean how long it took the Feds and Space Pirates? Both their programs had results in Prime (Space Pirates) & Fed Force (GF) but began only after seeing Samus' results in ZM. The replicas in S&J were made years after either and far inferior to both. The only thing close was their appearance.
Their results where tragic Data, the Pirates couldn't replicate the Morph Ball and had deaths while failing to do it. The Feds could barely even make a lackluster suit in the events of Federation Force. And you said yourself earlier, neither have any hope of even coming close to Samus, of course I argued that isn't inherently the case anymore, but if the two biggest factions take over a decade with much more resources and info and a black-market place could shit out competent and powerful droids that can tank hits and harm Samus in like, idk, a few weeks with the proper material, yeah, surprisingly competent. Though, I actually found a statement that would support your argument of Varia getting stronger, I'll go take a look at the raws and see if it's accurate, and if it is, hey you lucked out, but it's unfortunate that I'm having to find solid evidence for your argument instead of you yourself. Though if you did luck out it would straight up confirm my end on this argument in that the droids were bafflingly powerful and would at minimum, be within the same ballpark as Varia if not above it.
I understand what you're trying to say, but the shield was clearly not planet-sized in thickness.
The part of the shield that was actually needed to be destroyed was this large, they didn't destroy the entire thing as you seem to imply. I'm not sure what the exact thickness is, but it's clearly a lot closer than trillions.
I was talking surface area Data which is usually how we calc things like this (After all, the explosion wouldn't be hyper focused, it'd spread out across it), if we go simply by thickness we're talking a few inches for MB and like 100km thick off that scan, so sure, maybe not trillions if ya wanna go that route, it'd be like, a billion or so. Would put the shields MB has at a generous 8-A+.
Which again, I said that it's probably more of a random vague memory. Tier 4 antimatter bombs don't exist in Metroid.
The BSL station's self destruct device has been jokingly (and none jokingly if the archives are to be trusted), to be alluded to as a anti-matter bomb. The explosion was tier 4, (Or maybe just really ******* high 5-A, it was above yotta tho, so it was either High 5-A or knocking on tier 4).
Already agreed in #47. Was just trying to keep the power scaling.
Disagree with most of it. Might agree with some of it depending on what the raws say, but some ain't all, we still have issues no matter what it says.
Exaggerated significantly. Also not how durability works?
Not really, trillions would actually be accurate if we did it by surface area, if we go by thickness, it's billions (about 3.9 billion). Would end up 8-A+ or around there. Maybe Low 7-C if lucky?
Not even an accurate understanding of what I was saying, just that Samus' suit upgrades can also upgrade her AP. You kept trying to expand it to cover every wielder.
Yes I'm trying to cover every wielder because we're gonna HAVE TO. It ain't like we only have Samus' profile and that's it, more characters exist Data. You're complicating the scaling, not making it simpler. We're outright gonna have to take a look over everything if we go your way.
Edit: Checked raws, similar but not quite. Worded like a temporary boost, not permanent.
Edit 2: Getting an actual translation done.
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