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I was planning to work on this downgrade after finishing with the IM revisions, but life took priority and I slowed down
But now is time. This thread will mostly bring up issues that were previously glossed over in this CRT.
So, this one is pretty simple; The calculation used for the 6-C tiering is sus, according to Armorchompy:
"I'm not sure how related this is to what you're arguing, but Ridley's 6-B calc uses the size of a mountain for pixel scaling "(Using the minimum height for a mountain (300 meters, according to Wikipedia at least, I would like it if someone could find a better source.)" on what appears to be a 10 meters tall rock at best, but I've just gona through that part of the manga and found zero mention of it being one."
(Armor saying "6-B" was just a typing mistake)
Something that Chariot agreed with, and said he would recalculated it, but never happened (I think) and the issue was glossed over for another thread.
Also something that was brought up before in the same thread but was glossed over.
"We actually do scale freezing feats to AP and the like, just not to someone's durability, so it can scale to Samus' AP and tech on par but if someone tanked it it would be just ice resistance (******* absolutely insane resistance, but still), at least that's what I've gathered from the multitude of threads on this subject or ones close to it."
But I do argue that it shouldn't even scale to her AP.
Here is the manga chapter for full context, short summary of it:
The feat is done by a electrical being named Chrysta fused to a large power plant inside the sun, maintaining both the surface and part of the inner core frozen to protect the entrance and facility from the rest of the hellish heat still active.
Once Samus destroys Chrysta and regains her Ice Beam ability, the entire facility starts melting down, to avoid complete incineration while trying to escape Joey scatters the ice beam around the ship to fight back against the fire, which still leaves parts of the ship burned.
Not only this is hard evidence against Samus's durability scaling to this feat, it also proves it can't to her AP aswell.
While is stated that Chrysta managed to freeze parts of the sun thanks to the Ice Beam, is likely this was also done because of massive power supply he got from the facility (The aforemented powerplants and the harvested core parts, which were used by his Greed Corps like him).
You can also notice the massive gap between Chrysta and Samus using the Ice Beam:
TL;DR: Samus's ice beam shouldn't scale to Chrysta's feat because the latter had more power and you can directly see how she largely underperforms compared to him.
My proposal is to recalculate the first feat and knock off Power Suit to whatever is the result (According to Armor, there are better feats in the manga to use aswell).
As for the second feat, either downgrade her Legendary Power Suit to 6-B, or at least her durability section if my arguments aren't accepted.
I was planning to work on this downgrade after finishing with the IM revisions, but life took priority and I slowed down
But now is time. This thread will mostly bring up issues that were previously glossed over in this CRT.
Ridley destroying a mountain
So, this one is pretty simple; The calculation used for the 6-C tiering is sus, according to Armorchompy:
"I'm not sure how related this is to what you're arguing, but Ridley's 6-B calc uses the size of a mountain for pixel scaling "(Using the minimum height for a mountain (300 meters, according to Wikipedia at least, I would like it if someone could find a better source.)" on what appears to be a 10 meters tall rock at best, but I've just gona through that part of the manga and found zero mention of it being one."
(Armor saying "6-B" was just a typing mistake)
Something that Chariot agreed with, and said he would recalculated it, but never happened (I think) and the issue was glossed over for another thread.
Freezing a star with the ice beam
Also something that was brought up before in the same thread but was glossed over.
"We actually do scale freezing feats to AP and the like, just not to someone's durability, so it can scale to Samus' AP and tech on par but if someone tanked it it would be just ice resistance (******* absolutely insane resistance, but still), at least that's what I've gathered from the multitude of threads on this subject or ones close to it."
But I do argue that it shouldn't even scale to her AP.
Here is the manga chapter for full context, short summary of it:
The feat is done by a electrical being named Chrysta fused to a large power plant inside the sun, maintaining both the surface and part of the inner core frozen to protect the entrance and facility from the rest of the hellish heat still active.
Once Samus destroys Chrysta and regains her Ice Beam ability, the entire facility starts melting down, to avoid complete incineration while trying to escape Joey scatters the ice beam around the ship to fight back against the fire, which still leaves parts of the ship burned.
Not only this is hard evidence against Samus's durability scaling to this feat, it also proves it can't to her AP aswell.
While is stated that Chrysta managed to freeze parts of the sun thanks to the Ice Beam, is likely this was also done because of massive power supply he got from the facility (The aforemented powerplants and the harvested core parts, which were used by his Greed Corps like him).
You can also notice the massive gap between Chrysta and Samus using the Ice Beam:
- While Chrysta froze the star's surface immediatly (Is what the calc assumes) with part of the inner core, and passively maintained both like this, preventing it from melting at any point while working on there...
- Samus could only fight back against fractions of the sun's fire while escaping, instead of outright overpowering it like how Chrysta did, and even then Joey and her ship still got burns after leaving.
TL;DR: Samus's ice beam shouldn't scale to Chrysta's feat because the latter had more power and you can directly see how she largely underperforms compared to him.
My proposal is to recalculate the first feat and knock off Power Suit to whatever is the result (According to Armor, there are better feats in the manga to use aswell).
As for the second feat, either downgrade her Legendary Power Suit to 6-B, or at least her durability section if my arguments aren't accepted.