Meltlilith vs Yuuki Kagurazaka

[GLHF22]

Why she don't have 8D manip then?

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Who said they had to be direct? If all it took was a non-physical ability then Tamamo could have harmed her easily

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Can Melt bypass Mid godly btw?

Yes, by absorbing him

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

This is what the profile says. And again, for the third time, these are not attacks. So even if they were not direct, it would work.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Just because they aren't direct attacks doesn't mean they will work. There is Vlad who has his bites that are technically considered signs of friendship but I'm pretty sure they wouldnt work either

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I keep saying that they aren't attacks. Not indirect attacks, not direct attacks... they are not attacks.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Yes, and Vlad's bites are "signs of friendship," not attacks. Yet they probably wouldn't work any better

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

The fact that he's BITING you means it should be an attack.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Nope, in universe it isn't considered an attack. You can try to argue that it should count as one but It simply doesn't. He is just trying to bring someone to his side with no malice at all

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

In-universe. I don't believe the setting is in the Fate universe, nor Slime's. But regardless, both are stated not to be attacks.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

In universe meaning by the mechanics of these abilities. Either way, even things that are not considered attacks still do not bypass hit detection

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

You're not even completely sure of that. You say it might not. Honestly, I'm just thinking incon.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Honestly, if you think that low chance might work then I'll take it as an excuse to give Melt the win and not have it be a stomp

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

It's not even a low chance. As you said, you don't know. It could be the blindspot that seals the deal, or a fickle attempt.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I vote for Melt based on Yuuki's only possible way to win is the low chance of using an ability that doesn't count as an attack to bypass hit detection. Otherwise she just no sells everything with her lack of hit detection and uses her melt virus to absorb him, bypassing his resistance to such as the ability does.

For these reasons, I conclusively vote in the favour of Melt, with it not being a stomp

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I vote Yuuki via Precog, and 3 ways of dealing with lack of hit detection. Unlimited Imprisionment, Fetile Paradox, and Chrono Salutation, which are all not attacks.

 

[Paul_Frank]

I vote melt fra

I still say these "non attacks" still wouldn't work otherwise there are quite a few people who could have beat melt before BB intervened

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

You do know that precog isnt a big deal in fate right? Almost every servant worth their Salt has precog or a way to deal with it skill wise. Unlimited imprisonment is definitely considered an attack, and that is just the one i know is BS off the top of my head.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

It's just sealing. I don't see how it wouldn't work.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Because Sealing is an attack. You seem to be confusing durability bypassing hax with non attacks.

His BFR would also definitely be considered an attack.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Okay, Fertile Paradox. That's what I vote Yuuki for.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Go ahead I guess, but I thought you said it would make it inconclusive?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Wait, question. Is her absorption 8D?

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

No, why? It does ignore resistance to it tho

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Yuuki resists absorption. Beeleezbub if it were to run amok is Low 2-C, and Yuuki was able to eat celestial bodies and the space-time contiuum. Furthermore, it works on people who resist absorption. It's also able to eat things FAR stronger than he is, but that doesn't matter since Hit Detection.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

She can absorb things that resist it and it works on a conceptual level. Him being able to do something similar doesn't stop her from doing it

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Yuuki has no resistance to conceptual manipulation. But he does resist absorption, so.

Still voting Yuuki, or incon for earlier reasons.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Alright guys, time for the FRAs

 

[TacticalNuke002]

Melty FRA

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Melt: 3

Incon/Yuuki: 1

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Melty FRA.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

This may be one of many Fate matches.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Melt: 4

Incon/Yuuki: 1

 

[NeoSuperior]

The profile says "direct attacks". You are quite broadly interpreting that word here.

What's the absorption's potency anyway? "ignoring durability" is useless because Yuuki's absorption can absorb abilities themselves, as well.

Also the invulnerability is useless against Yuuki's sealing because unlimited inprisonment is a FIELD prison that completely powernulls its target.

And Yuuki's BFR is basically making use of the enemy's own energy to reverse Yuuki's Timestop to accelerate time infinitely and sends off the target into the end of the timeline, when the concept of time itself is gone and based on the SBAs that's an incap. It circumvents resistances by basically making the enemy self-BFR themselves. It's absolutely not a "direct attack".

 

[NeoSuperior]

Yuuki can absorb the absorption ability from his enemy itself. And got at least two ways to win. Hence voting for Yuuki via sealing or BFR.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

The profile says "direct attacks". You are quite broadly interpreting that word here.
What's the absorption's potency anyway? "ignoring durability" is useless because Yuuki's absorption can absorb abilities themselves, as well.

Also the invulnerability is useless against Yuuki's sealing because unlimited inprisonment is a FIELD prison that completely powernulls its target.

And Yuuki's BFR is basically making use of the enemy's own energy to reverse Yuuki's Timestop to accelerate time infinitely and sends off the target into the end of the timeline, when the concept of time itself is gone and based on the SBAs that's an incap. It circumvents resistances by basically making the enemy self-BFR themselves. It's absolutely not a "direct attack".

I am using the words how the ability is reflected in lore

Its conceptual and ignores resistance which is the important part.

There are similar abilities in the moon cell and if that is all it took then BB wouldnt have needed to remove the hit detection

If he attempts that then she would probably just convert the attack into her special move that works much the same way, and time travel to strike and absorb him

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Yuuki can absorb the absorption ability from his enemy itself. And got at least two ways to win. Hence voting for Yuuki via sealing or BFR.

He would need to be able to interact with her to do that which he can't

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Still has two ways, Unlimited Imprisionment & Fertile Paradox.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Unlimited Imprisonment is similar to the code cast that they used on Elizabeth, and if that is all it took to take her down then BB wouldn't have needed to restore her hit detection

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

How is it similar?