Mega Man ZX downgrade

[XxFNAFCraft911xX]

Keep in mind that ZX is legit my favorite MM series and the first kind of games from Mega Man I actually played.

But there's nothing pointing they're even close to star level power - nuclear weapons were considered big threats to them. MFTL when dodging bullets and missiles are big things to them.

I wouldn't mind since most of these would be PIS, but there's literally no feats on the level of even mountain level.

With that, I would like them to be downgraded to possibly city level and supersonic-hypersonic.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

I'd say at the very least have some more explanations than having the power of something who doesn't have a page yet.

 

[XxFNAFCraft911xX]

What? They do though. See the franchise page.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

I mean the "Dark Elf" thing doesn't seems to have a page.

 

[XxFNAFCraft911xX]

This isn't about the Dark Elf. That's Mega Man Zero.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Mega_Man_(Franchise)#ZX

 

[Sirius_The_EM_Troll]

I guess then that The ZX characters should now be the Fodder Tiers, Legends Low Tiers, and Classic become mid-tiers then?

 

[Reppuzan]

They're explictly stated to be modeled in power after legendary fighters like X and Zero.

In addition, downgrading them to City level is absolutely ridiculous when the average Combat Reploid is Large Planet level (as shown by the output of several Mavericks for even posing a challenge to X and Zero).

Same goes for speed, considering the fact that the vastly inferior Mega Man Classic is MFTL.

 

[XxFNAFCraft911xX]

That's not enough proof at all. They didn't display anything close to them at any point at all.

No, no it is not ridiculous. Nothing showed that level of power in both ZX games.

 

[Reppuzan]

That's not enough proof at all. They didn't display anything close to them at any point at all.
No, no it is not ridiculous. Nothing showed that level of power in both ZX games.

So you're saying that Reploids who are lightyears ahead of any Robot Master are vastly weaker than them... okay...

By that logic, Frieza can't be 3-B since he never blew up a galaxy.

 

[The_Everlasting]

I agree with Reppuzan. One does not need to display a certain level of power in order to get a tier, otherwise we'd have an absolute mess for profile rankings (Several characters dropping to extremely unreasonably low levels).

The characters thinking nukes are impressive is extremely likely the result of authorial ignorance, in which the creators do not realize how powerful they've made their characters (I'm used to this since it happens a LOT with Square Enix), and should likely not be taken into account.

 

[XxFNAFCraft911xX]

No. Reppuzan, you're strawmanning.

Nothing in the series comes close to even mountain level. Frieza fights with stuff that have multi galaxy level feats and all.

 

[The_Everlasting]

How is that strawmanning?

He's saying you don't need to show feats to be of a certain tier.

Not accepting statements or powerscaling when they "don't have feats anywhere close to (*Insert tier here*)", we'd wind up with stupid sh*t like Island level Cell and Gold Saints not being Star level and Lightspeed.

 

[Reppuzan]

Nothing in the series comes close to even mountain level. Frieza fights with stuff that have multi galaxy level feats and all.

Just saying... we have Small Planet levelMega Man Classic (who is magnitudes weaker) and Large Star levelX, both of which are backed by calcs. There's no way in hell that the Biometal users can be that much weaker.

 

[XxFNAFCraft911xX]

It's strawmanning because DBS/DBZ/SS have feats of that level. Mega Man ZX does not. Remotely.

Yes. I agree with Small Planet level MM Classic and Large Star+ X. Nothing in ZX remotely implies anything close to that kind of power apart from vague statements. But Relativistic+-FTL reactions is a possibly, I suppose - considering they dodge beams of light iirc.

 

[Reppuzan]

Once again, Reploids vastly exceed any Robot Master in terms of specs. To say that any Combat Reploid is weaker than a Robot Master is absurd.

Biometal users are able to fodderize dozens of combat-ready Reploids and overpower other Mavericks. In addition, each Biometal is meant to emulate the strength of the character it's based on. They would be failures if they didn't replicate them on some level.

I would also like to add that the Biometals aside from W and O were created by Ciel, who created Copy X before she was ten years old, who had all the specs of the original X. It is simply implausible to assume that the Biometals, her own personal creations and final gift to the world, would be that much inferior.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that Reppuzan and TE seem to make sense.

 

[XxFNAFCraft911xX]

Even then, I'd say Large Planet level is more accurate.

 

[Reppuzan]

Even then, I'd say Large Planet level is more accurate.

So you're implying that The Biometal wielders are literally a hundred million times weaker than the fighters they're based on?

 

[Sirius_The_EM_Troll]

I agree with Reppu. My opinion, they should be

"At least 7B, likely 4C"

 

[Reppuzan]

No at least, anything below Star level is ridiculous to be honest.

 

[Sirius_The_EM_Troll]

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[XxFNAFCraft911xX]

Even then, I'd say Large Planet level is more accurate.

So you're implying that The Biometal wielders are literally a hundred million times weaker than the fighters they're based on?

Probably. We have no proof.

Also; earlier on, the party in Mega Man X had 11 ninaton level feats. Base them off of that at least.

Small star level at most.

 

[Reppuzan]

Aside from the fact that the Model Ws are literally the pieces of Ragnarok which Weil fused with to fight Zero and withstood the force of Weil's and Zero's blows during their reentry battle.

Vent and Aile one-shot them and also defeated a MegaMerged Serpent while Grey and Ashe defeat Albert who is armed with nearly every piece of Model W at once.

 

[Singerton]

ZX shouldn't get a downgrade at all.

We don't even have to take Model W's or O's origins into account; Omega is a secret but canon boss in Megaman ZX (thanks to Flammole saying that he was sensing a new BioMetal that wasn't Model W, and Inti Creates saying it was a practically a giveaway). Mind you, it's not the true Omega that Zero killed, but a memory that lingered in the Cyberspace created by his explosion upon death. Of course, even those cyber memories perfectly emulate the original's capabilities, right down to combat ability, durability, striking stregth, etc., as seen with Hidden Phantom in MMZ3.

So, considering that Vent/Aile defeated "Omega" in Area N, that "Omega" is identical to Omega, and that Omega was reaching or pushing the upper limits of the X and Zero franchise's power levels, Vent and Aile need to AT LEAST be rated as high as Omega - and by extension, Zero and X - if not higher (though, to be honest, Omega does seem to be the or the second most powerful being in ZX and ZX:A)


Not that the thought process to downgrade them doesn't have some merit, as Legends is thousands of years later in the same universe and pretty much everyone there is fodder tier. It just doesn't hold up in the case of ZX.

 

[ZettoVii]

Where the heck do you guys even get the idea that old timer reploids are any where close to planet busters, let alone star busters? Even when considering the likes of X whom got the most feats (out of the reploids at least), is a city buster at best, with nuke level durability and high end hyper sonic (being able to react towards as well as match the speed of lightning bolts in short bursts).

Even when including stuff like Lumine, they were only a planetary threat due 3rd party objects like the Orbital Elevator, Ragnarok, the extremely contagious Maverick Virus, or by simply being capable of killing everyone else over time. By themselves the most they have done is showing mountain busting attacks and durability with some dimensional abilities (create pocket dimensions, teleportation and time stop/slow). But still, none of it has ever been close to star levels of destruction.

 

[TurboTriangle601]

@Zetto

That was one massive bump. Also even if that were the case X would still be at least Low 5-B to 5-B via scaling to Mega Man.