Mega Man: Starforce x Battle Network Revision

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Upon taking a look at and EXE’s respective profiles, I came across this tidbit:

Solar System level (Knocked out Geo Stelar in the crossover)

The thing is, there’s no scans to substantiate this claim, and more important than that, after looking it over, it doesn’t seem as if this event happens—at all.

They do fight, yes, and Geo loses. However, that’s only on a surface level. Immediately after EXE leaves, Geo tells Omega-Xis that not only was he was he not fighting for real, but that if he were to be deleted, it would alter history. Which pretty clearly implies Starforce MegaMan could kill EXE if he actually tried. All and all, he should easily be 2-C, and any 4-B ratings should be removed.

 

[Lonkitt]

Pretty cut and dry. I agree

 

[Migue79]

So what's this revision trying to entail? Remove 4-B ratings for Hub? Make Geo Tier 2? Or... Both?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

4-B key never made much sense, but not sure about making everyone 2-C including the likes of Roll, Glide, and Gutsman. I recall another thread and a thread before that one where that was questioned.

But yeah, I agree getting rid of 4-B ratings outright from the Battle Network cast is the way to go. But not sure if we can really upgrade Star Force cast from the fight scene.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

So what's this revision trying to entail? Remove 4-B ratings for Hub? Make Geo Tier 2? Or... Both?

Remove any tier 4 ratings across the Battle Network to Starforce era.

4-B key never made much sense, but not sure about making everyone 2-C including the likes of Roll, Glide, and Gutsman. I recall another thread and a thread before that one where that was questioned.

But yeah, I agree getting rid of 4-B ratings outright from the Battle Network cast is the way to go. But not sure if we can really upgrade Star Force cast from the fight scene.

I don’t see why there would be any opposition to do so.x

 

[Migue79]

Remove any tier 4 ratings across the Battle Network to Starforce era.

Alright, then. I agree.

There are plans of getting Geo to Tier 2 anyway.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Alright, then. I agree.

There are plans of getting Geo to Tier 2 anyway.

Sorry to intrude if I did, lmao. What where they, exactly?

 

[Migue79]

What where they, exactly?

There's some information regarding the Black Hole Server & the Noise Waves that were found in JP guidebooks that might make the feats more impressive than they are currently rated as. Also some info that might make EoS Geo retroactively scale to post BN2 Hub (the one that scales to 2-C feats).

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

There's some information regarding the Black Hole Server & the Noise Waves that were found in JP guidebooks that might make the feats more impressive than they are currently rated as. Also some info that might make EoS Geo retroactively scale to post BN2 Hub (the one that scales to 2-C feats).

Is there some sort or server or anything where this is at? I’d love to see, got a translator friend.

 

[Accelerate420]

Makes sense to me on the surface, but Operation Shooting Star takes place during BN1 doesn't it? Wouldn't it just scale to EXE as he is in that game as is?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Makes sense to me on the surface, but Operation Shooting Star takes place during BN1 doesn't it? Wouldn't it just scale to EXE as he is in that game as is?

Between BN1 & BN2, supposedly. Regardless, EXE is tier 2 irregardless of what game.

 

[Accelerate420]

Between BN1 & BN2, supposedly. Regardless, EXE is tier 2 irregardless of what game.

Tier 2 regardless? That's kind of sketchy l, but I guess I'll just scrutinize that some other time. Having played Operation shooting star it is pretty clear cut Geo wasn't trying as suggested. He was holding back substantially so I'm okay with upscaling him considering it doesn't effect much of the Starforce verse retroactively. I am curious about the planned tier 2 revisions already in the works but it could be added as substantial evidence after the fact if needed.

 

[Migue79]

Is there some sort or server or anything where this is at? I’d love to see, got a translator friend.

Yeah. It's in my Mega Man Discord Server. I can DM you the invite in a convo if you wish.

Makes sense to me on the surface, but Operation Shooting Star takes place during BN1 doesn't it?

As Milly said, yes. Between BN1 & BN2.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Yeah. It's in my Mega Man Discord Server. I can DM you the invite in a convo if you wish.

Aye, please do.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Tier 2 regardless? That's kind of sketchy l, but I guess I'll just scrutinize that some other time. Having played Operation shooting star it is pretty clear cut Geo wasn't trying as suggested. He was holding back substantially so I'm okay with upscaling him considering it doesn't effect much of the Starforce verse retroactively. I am curious about the planned tier 2 revisions already in the works but it could be added as substantial evidence after the fact if needed.

Even the very first Mega Man Battle Network game has a Universal feat.

 

[Accelerate420]

Even the very first Mega Man Battle Network game has a Universal feat.

Was it related to the life virus or something else? I don't quite remember.

 

[Chaos Jester25]

I agree with removing EXE’s 4-B rating. I was planning to redo EXE’s profile and remove the Starforce scaling stuff anyway.

I do not agree with scaling Geo to 2-C. I don’t believe that an End Of Game BN2 MegaMan should be scaled to his BN1 version. My main reasoning for this is that I believe that EOG BN2 EXE should be far stronger than before, there are feats and statements supporting the idea that MegaMan is far stronger at the end of the game than he is at the start. This is mainly due to stuff like Style Change.

Dr. Hikari gives it to MegaMan because he didn’t think that MegaMan would be able to face the upcoming threats without it. ( the 2 minute, and 30 second mark). Meaning that A MegaMan without Style Change he doesn’t hold a candle to a MegaMan with Style Change.


ProtoMan could effortlessly one shot multiple clones of Navis that could keep up with a Pre Style Change EXE.

A Gospel agent describes Lan and Chaud’s rate of growth as faster than expected(this could be accelerated development but that’s not the point I’m trying to make here). This serves as further proof that MegaMan gets stronger as the game progresses.


The game makes it clear that EXE is a whole lot stronger by the end of the game than he was at the start. Which is why I’m doubtful of backscaling the 2-C feat to game 1 EXE. And by extension, Geo

 

[Eseseso]

Seems fine.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Would BN1 MegaMan not be 2-C as well?

 

[Chaos Jester25]

Would BN1 MegaMan not be 2-C as well?

The 2-C feat that we have comes from BN2. I believe that BN1 EXE would only be 3-A for scaling to the Life Virus, which threatened to destroy the internet. Even then, he did it with an amp(Hub.Bat). I don’t recall any 2-C feats from the first game.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Will respond later.

 

[StarStruckNoise]

There's some information regarding the Black Hole Server & the Noise Waves that were found in JP guidebooks that might make the feats more impressive than they are currently rated as. Also some info that might make EoS Geo retroactively scale to post BN2 Hub (the one that scales to 2-C feats).

I would like to hear about this information

 

[Qawsedf234]

I'm fine with the 4-B removal (was actually going to do that myself otherwise). For the Tier 2 stuff it looks like that will be handled in another thread.

Though the important part is what replaces 4-B for baseline EXE Megaman's scaling?